MW2 VS BC2

ardinn

Im posting this over on the battlefield thread too - sorry if im not allowed ask this for some mod reason or whatever but here goes and sorry if there is already a thread about this.

I am completely addicted to mw2 - love it! Have only ever played a few early call of duties on the ps2 which i found average.

I have never played battlefield tho and i'm wondering what its like in direct comparison to mw2. I have heard its all about vehicles tho which im not sure would float my boat but if I get a few recommendations im going to get it and have a go.

So whats ya'll think?

shawpower

This is a really good review of the differences between the two. Personally, without having played BC2, I'd guess I'd prefer MW2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJyb5UAr-tY

super_furry

BC2 gets my vote. Just seems more team orientated than the lone wolf gameplay of MW2. The vechiles and medic class make a massive difference to the game and the way it's played and the bigger more open levels lend themselves to a more open and expansive type of game.

Shammy

I'll probably be picking up battlefield soon but i didnt like the online play of the first one, too many vehicles.

minotour

I did NOT like the first one so i have ignored this release but after reading some of the comments here i checked out some vids on youtube. Have to admit, it looks pretty God Damned impressive. Ive been a hardcore CoD fan for a long time now, hate to move to a competitor, t'would be like switching from Fifa to Pro Evo, couldnt do it!

Tell me this, if ye know, is the control system similar to CoD, same buttons etc, PS3 version. If it aint then theres no way i could convert, had issues with Tom Clancy in this regard. If these FPS want to compete they should at least all agree on a control system.

Kev_ps3

Ive got both and I think mw2 online is much better. Must play bc2 more though to get a better impression of it.

Paparazzo

Looks similar to MW2, don't think I'd bother getting it. They changed it a tiny bit to make it different, but all in all, it looks like a clone of MW2

super_furry

Paparazzo wrote: »

Looks similar to MW2, don't think I'd bother getting it. They changed it a tiny bit to make it different, but all in all, it looks like a clone of MW2

Not at all. They're totally different games that both play very differently and there should be room for both games in most people's collections.

Nuri Sahin

super_furry wrote: »

BC2 gets my vote. Just seems more team orientated than the lone wolf gameplay of MW2. The vechiles and medic class make a massive difference to the game and the way it's played and the bigger more open levels lend themselves to a more open and expansive type of game.

I'll second that.

It's not about silly killstreaks, commando knifing guys 15 feet away, boosting and what not. BC2 requires actual thought and planning to do consistently well.

Saying that, I believe MW2 suits competitive gaming better when there are proper rules.

Ri_Nollaig

Controls are a bit different alright, knife been right bumper. But that really shouldn't be a big deal, find it more fun trying to remaster a new game.
Overall I think its a great game but its very different to MW2, personally I prefer it as I find MW2 too annoying at times but that was just me.
My online FPS of choice has gone from:
Quake3 -> UT99 -> Sof2 -> CS:S -> BF2 -> CoD4 (360) -> BF:BC2 (360)
change is good

oh and dedicated servers...

cableguy.ie

super_furry wrote: »

Not at all. They're totally different games that both play very differently and there should be room for both games in most people's collections.

I agree..

Shapey Fiend

Last Battlefield game I played was 2, and I can't see how you'd compare that with CoD series at all. They're totally different animals. Which is better? Neither. It's like saying apples are better than oranges.

MW2 is great in a lot of ways but I'm already looking forward to a sequel because there are things I dislike. I'd even be excited about addons at this point because the maps are not the games strong point.

AaronD

I agree with shapey fiend, they're 2 different kinds of games, one is based on vehicles and the other is a run and gun style game

Krusader

Have always bought COD for my PS3 and bought BFBC2 at the weekend and i must say its amazing, its alot more tactical than COD, its more of a run, cover, shoot(snipers will pick you off) as oppose to running around in circles in COD. If you got this you wouldn't been disappointed and the controls are similar to COD bar the knife is R2/RB so no steep learning curve with the controls

shawpower

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

oh and dedicated servers...

It's funny how things that are meant to be good, can turn out bad. I've heard lots of stories where these dedicated servers effectively fill up. So you go online for your dedicated server, and EA turn around and say Nope. Not tonight. You're too late. The servers they've put in place are maxed out and there is nothing you can do about it. No online gaming for you!

Having spend >€50 on a game, I'd be well p1ssed if this happened to me!

Admitedly when it works, it is probably better than what you get in MW2, and you would hope it'd be something EA will fix. But I do smile about people automatically assuming this game is the panacea to all of MW2 problems. Certainly doesn't look it from what I've seen in clips.

v3ttel

I don't tend to like the Battlefield games, its usually a case of: spawn very far away from the action possibly on a different island, grab a boat, spend 2-3 mins travelling to the main island where the action is. Look around for a vehicle to travel the next 2-3 mins to the heart of the action, get shot in the face while looking for a vehicle. Repeat.

I'm really not into sniping or camping (I find it boring just waiting for someone to come along), I much prefer close up action. I guess BF BC2 isn't for me?

anonymous_joe

It looks very very different to MW2.

I'll probably pick it up soon, a new form of gameplay to MW2 wouldn't go amiss.

I wonder what the numbers shift'll be.

Ri_Nollaig

shawpower wrote: »

It's funny how things that are meant to be good, can turn out bad. I've heard lots of stories where these dedicated servers effectively fill up. So you go online for your dedicated server, and EA turn around and say Nope. Not tonight. You're too late. The servers they've put in place are maxed out and there is nothing you can do about it. No online gaming for you!

Having spend >€50 on a game, I'd be well p1ssed if this happened to me!

Admitedly when it works, it is probably better than what you get in MW2, and you would hope it'd be something EA will fix. But I do smile about people automatically assuming this game is the panacea to all of MW2 problems. Certainly doesn't look it from what I've seen in clips.

It will need more time to fully see if EA will supply enough dedicated servers, I have played on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday nights without an issue but have heard of people who weren't as lucky. They are still saying they are having server issues so might take awhile to settle but overall it is definitely better then P2P.
I lost count of the number of times I had connection troubles with MW2 and even when I was playing I was at the mercy of the quality (and location) of the host. Shooting someone and dying instantly only to watch on the kill cam of you not firing a single round is VERY annoying.

Rooney10 wrote: »

I don't tend to like the Battlefield games, its usually a case of: spawn very far away from the action possibly on a different island, grab a boat, spend 2-3 mins travelling to the main island where the action is. Look around for a vehicle to travel the next 2-3 mins to the heart of the action, get shot in the face while looking for a vehicle. Repeat.

I'm really not into sniping or camping (I find it boring just waiting for someone to come along), I much prefer close up action. I guess BF BC2 isn't for me?

I don't think its as bad as bf1942 or bf2 was, once you join a squad you can spawn right next to them which may be right in the middle of a firefight.
It is very team focused, it really matters that the team tries to atleast work together with different roles rather then everyone running around like headless chickens and for that reason I prefer it to MW2.
MW2 just seemed to encourage hidding in a corner camping and trying what ever it takes to just get a kill streak.
BC2 and any of the battlefield games are not without their flaws but atleast they discourage this type of playing, you get most of the points from either: attacking/defending a flag and resupplying, healing or repairing any of your team.

Cuddlesworth

Rooney10 wrote: »

I don't tend to like the Battlefield games, its usually a case of: spawn very far away from the action possibly on a different island, grab a boat, spend 2-3 mins travelling to the main island where the action is. Look around for a vehicle to travel the next 2-3 mins to the heart of the action, get shot in the face while looking for a vehicle. Repeat.

I'm really not into sniping or camping (I find it boring just waiting for someone to come along), I much prefer close up action. I guess BF BC2 isn't for me?

Its a lot quicker in terms of action. There is also a very large benefit to playing as a team. You can spawn on any one of your teammates. Eg, if one stays on the hill with a sniper and four run down and get mauled, you can all spawn back up on the hill again and start all over.

I did this last night, taking few shots with the rifle but rather using it to spot enemy's with the scope meaning they appeared on my teammates screens as large red triangles. In a game with destructible cover this has a hilarious effect. I also kept lobbing motion sensor nade's into the area too, so any campers showed up straight away on the radar around where the nade landed. The amount of points I got for this was far in excess of anybody else and the effect in had in terms of success for my team was absolutely huge.

And no lag, no getting mauled by computer controlled drones, no hardcore camping. It was beautiful.

ardinn

Was just reading some text from the other thread on this in battlefield an on dice's (i think! - the other makers other than ea) and man are they pi**ed off with the issues in the game! Serious problems - i might wait a while before going anywhere near this!

Cuddlesworth

ardinn wrote: »

Was just reading some text from the other thread on this in battlefield an on dice's (i think! - the other makers other than ea) and man are they pi**ed off with the issues in the game! Serious problems - i might wait a while before going anywhere near this!

Yeah. And Dice have acknowledged the issues and are working to resolve them. I can think of quite a few for MW2 which are still ignored.

Paparazzo

I got it but haven't gone online yet. Want to complete the story mode first. The best thing is walls and buildings can be blown up. Also, courrigated iron and wooden panels can fall off if you shoot them enough or grenade them.
I'll give it a go online on sunday. Some funny dialogue in it, some obviously taking the píss out of MW2. There's a line about "special ops pussies with heartbeat sensors"

anonymous_joe

ardinn wrote: »

Was just reading some text from the other thread on this in battlefield an on dice's (i think! - the other makers other than ea) and man are they pi**ed off with the issues in the game! Serious problems - i might wait a while before going anywhere near this!

Never, ever, ever play an online game at the beginning.

Shammy

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Never, ever, ever play an online game at the beginning.

Why ?

Oafley Jones

Paparazzo wrote: »

I got it but haven't gone online yet. Want to complete the story mode first. The best thing is walls and buildings can be blown up. Also, courrigated iron and wooden panels can fall off if you shoot them enough or grenade them.
I'll give it a go online on sunday. Some funny dialogue in it, some obviously taking the píss out of MW2. There's a line about "special ops pussies with heartbeat sensors"

Not a fan of the single player so far, just past the tank mission and the only time I'm playing it is when I can't get into the multiplayer. Main problems are the enemies that pop out of nowhere (really obvious in the river bed in Bolivia), they still can soak up far too much damage (30 rounds of an MG, sustained multiple hits from the choppers minigun etc). The damage to the building still isn't procedurally generated, instead it's all scripted e.g. you have to hit a wall in the right spot to bring it down i.e. one foot of a difference can either be the building coming down or not a scratch inflicted. Cut scenes are really obstrusive.

I do prefer it to the original though, as that was basically fill an enemy with a clip of ammunition, inject health, repeat. The squad are less annoying too, and more helpful. Marlowe still doesn't count as a character.

Paparazzo

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Not a fan of the single player so far, just past the tank mission and the only time I'm playing it is when I can't get into the multiplayer. Main problems are the enemies that pop out of nowhere (really obvious in the river bed in Bolivia), they still can soak up far too much damage (30 rounds of an MG, sustained multiple hits from the choppers minigun etc). The damage to the building still isn't procedurally generated, instead it's all scripted e.g. you have to hit a wall in the right spot to bring it down i.e. one foot of a difference can either be the building coming down or not a scratch inflicted. Cut scenes are really obstrusive.

I do prefer it to the original though, as that was basically fill an enemy with a clip of ammunition, inject health, repeat. The squad are less annoying too, and more helpful. Marlowe still doesn't count as a character.

This is the first battlefield I played, so can't compare. Agreed with the cut scenes, too many go on for too long. Best bit is

your team talking among themselves about the best scene in predator, the predator sound effects and lines taken from the film!

. Enemies definitely take more bullets to kill the further in you get.

raze

I didn't touch the original bad company, but got caught up in the hype for BF:BC2 and picked it up for the PS3. When I got it I had maybe 12 days and change logged on MW2, but BC2 has been a real breath of fresh air.

Connection quality on PSN is fine - but it has some quirks. In a 50:50 firefight and both you and your opponent get enough hits, you both die. Which is fair enough. I prefer that to MW2, which lets you think your connection is smooth by hiding the lag, and then bullets start following you around corners, and guys shoot you from the future.

Maps are huge, and they work really well. One game mode, Rush, is a series of stages - one team defends each stage and wins by getting 75 kills, the attackers have to either destroy points A and B (like planting in SnD), or by destroying the buildings A or B are in. This means the maps become far more like stages in rally course, than repetitive closed circuits.

Some people maybe aren't too keen on the vehicles - but the game does have a lot of balance to it. A sniper can spot a tank and call in a mortar strike, and if the tank doesn't move it's toast. All engineers have rockets or land mines. It becomes essential that your team isn't just a bunch of guys with assault rifles.

Also, medics being able to revive people means they're as important in BC2 as they are in MAG to keeping the squad near the action - and for attackers, I don't think revives count towards the 75 target. Snipers get to give more assistance to teammates in BC2 - any class can mark targets putting an orange triangle over the heads of infantry for a short time but obviously snipers have that bit more range and can alert a team to where threats are earlier.

I know that stuff seems like the bread and butter of a shooter, but there's a really good team mechanic to BC2 that MW2 does not have - you really don't have to care about your teammates in MW2, but in BC2 your squad affects where you're going to spawn, how aware you are of threats, whether you're going to get a tank, a chopper or no vehicle at all.

Also, this game is pretty much anti-camping. Sure, when you're a defender you've got to hold a position, but you'll find you've got to push the perimeter out and not just let the enemy in on top of you. And the ability to bring down buildings on people in them is a pretty good incentive to haul ass.

Things I'm glad to get away from in MW2 were the killstreaks. At least in BC2 if a guy in a chopper guns you down he did it, not some AI on his behalf. Also no claymores, so one less thing for campers hiding in buildings.

WolfForager

TBH i'm just happy that in BC2 i can spawn and 99% of the time be happy that i won't get shot in the back by some prick thinking spawn camping is l33t.

minotour

Downloaded and install the demo off PSn over the weekend, only to find out the demo servers weree shut down last month............so why leave the game up on PSN???

Thats probably the closest I will ever come to playing it now, they lost my money!