Greens putting 1100 jobs at Risk !

Nowso

Minister Gormley is pushing through the dog breeding establishment bill this session.
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This bill has under his stewardship has become a method of closing down the greyhound industry.
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He has had representations from various partys and still no sign of movement.
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If the bill that was intended for intense puppy farming establishments is left unaltered it will mean the death of the greyhound racing industry in the near future.
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This following on from Eamonn Ryans attempt to shut down local radio.

And then in a few weeks both may walk out of office and wash there hands of it!

Scofflaw

Vested interests oppose regulation shock!

amused,
Scofflaw

Nowso

IRISH GREYHOUND
BOARD URGES GREATER
MINISTERIAL
CONSULTATION ON
BREEDING BILL
* Political consensus
forming on
amendments with
regard to greyhound
breeding in Dog
Breeding Establishments
Bill
The Irish Greyhound Board
has welcomed Minister
John Gormley ’s statement
in Seanad Éireann today
that he will consult fully
with stakeholders on
amendments to the Dog
Breeding Establishments
Bill.
Members of the Board
met with Minister for Arts,
Sport and Tourism, Martin
Cullen and his officials this
week as well as TD ’s and
Senators from across the
political spectrum.
“ There is a broad political
consensus that Greyhound
establishments are already
fully covered by existing
legislation, ” said Irish
Greyhound Board
Chairman Dick O ’Sullivan.
“Today’s debate has
highlighted the exiting
registration of all
greyhound matings, litters,
naming and transfer of
ownership, as well as the
marking and DNA
profiling.”
There is no question that
the proper regulations
being introduced to end
practices of ‘puppy
farming’ are to be
welcomed.”
“It is important though
that the Greyhound
industry is recognised as
being already compliant
with standards that are in
fact higher than those
included in this Bill as part
of the Greyhound Industry
Act (1958). ”
“We welcome Minister
Gormley’s acceptance that
the cross referencing of
the new Bill to the 1958
act should be urgently
considered. ”
“We need to avoid
conflicting legislation
which would add to the
financial burden on
greyhound breeders and
trainers, without providing
any benefit in terms of
animal welfare.”
“We will continue to
campaign urgently and
energetically on behalf of
the industry to ensure that
the right and proper
legislation is enacted
which is strong on welfare
in the areas that require
strengthening in this
regard, but that which
does not damage the
greyhound industry as an
unnecessary side effect. ”
For further information
please contact:
Rob Hartnett, Director,
Hartnett PR
T: 01 2143433 E: Rob@
HartnettPR.ie; M: 086
3851955
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Nowso

There is plenty of regulation already

gandalf

I'm afraid they are barking up the wrong tree with Gormley....

(sorry I couldn't resist and I've only had one coffee this morning!)

Scofflaw

Nowso wrote: »

There is plenty of regulation already

Yes...there was plenty of bank regulation, too.

amused,
Scofflaw

Nowso

The country can do without loosing a whole industry on a whim .

dogbert27

And what happens to the greyhounds after they finish racing or to the greyhounds that are not good enough for racing??!!

This isn't about the greyhound industry. It's about animal welfare.

Amtmann

Ah yes, the greyhound industry. Nowso, how much does a rabbit cost these days? €5?

ei.sdraob

dogbert27 wrote: »

And what happens to the greyhounds after they finish racing or to the greyhounds that are not good enough for racing??!!

This isn't about the greyhound industry. It's about animal welfare.

once again i need to ask

while animal welfare is important why dont the Greens care more you know, humans?

they already burdened us with NAMA thanks to the fur crowd :mad:

bladespin

ei.sdraob wrote: »

once again i need to ask

while animal welfare is important why dont the Greens care more you know, humans?

they already burdened us with NAMA thanks to the fur crowd :mad:

Can't really blame NAMA on the greens to be fair.

As humans we've already proved how good we are at making things bad for ourselves so we get our deserts, don't know how any animal deserves to have its ears cleaved etc.

ei.sdraob

bladespin wrote: »

Can't really blame NAMA on the greens to be fair.

yes we can

they had a vote and they could have walked away from it and kept some integrity

they didnt, thanks in part to the fur people

Scofflaw

ei.sdraob wrote: »

once again i need to ask

while animal welfare is important why dont the Greens care more you know, humans?

they already burdened us with NAMA thanks to the fur crowd :mad:

If you've swallowed the OP, I'm not going to be able to assist you in understanding that. There will be slightly lower profits, and less cruelty. A wholesale collapse of the entire industry is a traditional claim, wheeled out by every industry every time they're faced with regulations that prevent them doing exactly as they like. Ozone hole CFC regulations were going to put the refrigerator industry out of business. The banning of child labour was going to terminate the industrial revolution. Every piece of cruelty legislation ever has apparently been going to destroy farming communities.

Yet somehow, not only have such regulations not destroyed manufacturing and farming, but somehow we manage to go on making and consuming ever more. Surely by now we should have been reduced to the Stone Age by these bleeding-heart-liberal-green-interfering-busybody driven legislation! Yet...somehow that hasn't happened.

amused,
Scofflaw

dogbert27

ei.sdraob wrote: »

once again i need to ask

while animal welfare is important why dont the Greens care more you know, humans?

they already burdened us with NAMA thanks to the fur crowd :mad:

So it's okay to have puppy farms as humans are making money out of it? It's okay to have horses starving on the side of roads if humans are making money out of it?

Christ why can't an issue be looked at on a stand alone basis without NAMA being brought in as a universal club to bash things with.

Animal welfare in this country is a disgrace and legislation with regard to animal welfare is pathetic.

Sleepy

It's not as if the government isn't already stuffing enough of our cash into propping up greyhound and horse racing already - if I remember the stats in Matt Cooper's book correctly they receive the same amount of state funding as all other sports put together!

Would rather see this money pulled and the jobs lost tbh.

ei.sdraob

Scofflaw wrote: »

If you've swallowed the OP, I'm not going to be able to assist you in understanding that. There will be slightly lower profits, and less cruelty. A wholesale collapse of the entire industry is a traditional claim, wheeled out by every industry every time they're faced with regulations that prevent them doing exactly as they like. Ozone hole CFC regulations were going to put the refrigerator industry out of business. The banning of child labour was going to terminate the industrial revolution. Every piece of cruelty legislation ever has apparently been going to destroy farming communities.

Yet somehow, not only have such regulations not destroyed manufacturing and farming, but somehow we manage to go on making and consuming ever more. Surely by now we should have been reduced to the Stone Age by these bleeding-heart-liberal-green-interfering-busybody driven legislation! Yet...somehow that hasn't happened.

amused,
Scofflaw

i haven't swallowed the OP he/she is being sensationalist

im pointing out that the greens are too busy with animal welfare etc while being complicit in the people of this country being shafted

you think that NAMA is a good thing (time will tell) and you voted for Greens before so your point of view is quite biased on this subject @Scofflaw

from where I stand the Greens are a disgrace, them and their FF puppeteers are 2 sides of the same rotten coin

dogbert27 wrote: »

So it's okay to have puppy farms as humans are making money out of it? It's okay to have horses starving on the side of roads if humans are making money out of it?

Christ why can't an issue be looked at on a stand alone basis without NAMA being brought in as a universal club to bash things with.

Animal welfare in this country is a disgrace and legislation with regard to animal welfare is pathetic.

oh would you get off your emotional horse, did i say any of that ****e that you just posted :rolleyes:

and read what i ****ing posted earlier

while animal welfare is important why dont the Greens care more you know, humans?

"Jesus" way to go on a ****ing hysterical tangent because I pointed out that the Greens need to get their priorities right :rolleyes:

dogbert27

""Jesus" way to go on a ****ing hysterical tangent because I pointed out that the Greens need to get their priorities right "

Funny how you talk about tangents when your original post was just that, a tangent from the issue raised by the OP.

So what are you saying? The greens should now do nothing more in government because they backed NAMA? What priorities should the greens now have? They don't have the ministries for Finance, or Trade and Employment or anything that can make a difference to the current state of the economy.

You hold them up for supporting NAMA. What was their alternative? To shoot it down and have the country continuing without a plan?

ei.sdraob

dogbert27 wrote: »

""Jesus" way to go on a ****ing hysterical tangent because I pointed out that the Greens need to get their priorities right "

Funny how you talk about tangents when your original post was just that, a tangent from the issue raised by the OP.

So what are you saying? The greens should now do nothing more in government because they backed NAMA? What priorities should the greens now have? They don't have the ministries for Finance, or Trade and Employment or anything that can make a difference to the current state of the economy.

You hold them up for supporting NAMA. What was their alternative? To shoot it down and have the country continuing without a plan?

i already pointed out many alternatives, my line of thinking is the same as all of the independent economists as represented the other day on frontline

NAMA will end badly

anyways that's aside

yet again the greens are seem to be worrying about animals while not implementing any of their "programme" to help the people of this country

Macha

ei.sdraob wrote: »

yet again the greens are seem to be worrying about animals while not implementing any of their "programme" to help the people of this country

ei.sdraob, you've already started a thread recently about how the Greens aren't helping green collar jobs in Ireland and ultimately, you weren't able to back up any of your assertions.

Are you going to try back up this one?

ei.sdraob

taconnol wrote: »

ei.sdraob, you've already started a thread recently about how the Greens aren't helping green collar jobs in Ireland and ultimately, you weren't able to back up any of your assertions.

Are you going to try back up this one?

how are they helping green collar jobs in Ireland?

where are these jobs??

Macha

ei.sdraob wrote: »

how are they helping green collar jobs in Ireland?

where are these jobs??

You see, the onus is on you to provide some evidence for your claim, not simply shout out something and expect everyone else to try to refute it. Where is your evidence?

bladespin

ei.sdraob wrote: »

how are they helping green collar jobs in Ireland?

where are these jobs??

I probably have them to thank for mine

Thanks mainly to the GP, Ireland now has a electricity feed-in tarriff for domestic microgenerators connected to the national grid, this has helped spawn a new industry here, there's quite a few working in it, the company I work for alone employs at least ten.

ei.sdraob

taconnol wrote: »

You see, the onus is on you to provide some evidence for your claim, not simply shout out something and expect everyone else to try to refute it. Where is your evidence?

i posted the evidence in another thread

that some green policies such as smart metering would endup in the long term causing more jobs to be lost than created

last i looked at the Greens "programme" the old and the new one, barely any of the points were or are implemented

Macha

ei.sdraob wrote: »

i posted the evidence in another thread

Where? Post it here.

ei.sdraob wrote: »

that some green policies such as smart metering would endup in the long term causing more jobs to be lost than created

What?

ei.sdraob wrote: »

last i looked at the Greens "programme" the old and the new one, barely any of the points were or are implemented

Such as? Specifics help.

Nowso

Some of u are wanting to throw away an industry that is admited to be value for money.

There have been a few bad cases but this bill is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. .

The effects will shut down a high percentage of ordinary greyhound people . Enough to put many many jobs at risk.

For what ! There is already good regulation

bladespin

Nowso wrote: »

Some of u are wanting to throw away an industry that is admited to be value for money.

There have been a few bad cases but this bill is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. .

The effects will shut down a high percentage of ordinary greyhound people . Enough to put many many jobs at risk.

For what ! There is already good regulation

Could you explain how the new regulations are going to close the industry down?

The_Minister

dogbert27 wrote: »

And what happens to the greyhounds after they finish racing or to the greyhounds that are not good enough for racing??!!

This isn't about the greyhound industry. It's about animal welfare.

The same thing that happens to old horses I imagine.

They are kept for breeding, sold off as pets, or knackered.

Nowso

GORMLEY UNDER FIRE
Thursday, March 4th
Minister for the
Environment John
Gormley has left little
doubt that he is totally
against the Irish
Greyhound Industry and
his statements on
Wednesday have
pinpointed the need for
our industry to stand up
and be counted.
Fine Gael Waterford
Senator Paudie Coffey has
issued a very strong
statement calling for the
Departments of
Agriculture and Sport to
clarify the comments
made by Minister Gormley
in which he declared that
the Regulation, Integrity
and Welfare systems
employed by the Irish
Greyhound Industry are
inadequate in their
present form.
We have been stressing
for some time the
importance for everybody
involved in this industry to
put their shoulders behind
the wheel and to battle
against the Green
initiatives which are so
clear in the proposed Dog
Breeding Establishments
Bill.
Thankfully, Senator Paudie
Coffey has now come out
with a very strongly
worded statement where
he calls on all Fianna Fail
TDs and Senators to come
out and make their
feelings on the subject
known.
BE WARNED - The
Greyhound Industry must
go to war on this one now
– next week could be too
late!
* Below we carry the
statement issued by
Senator Paudie Coffey.
“Clarification needed
from Depts. of
Agriculture & Sport on
Gormley’s comments” -
Coffey
Laws governing greyhound
and coursing bodies
inadequate, says
Environment Minister
Fine Gael Waterford
Senator, Paudie Coffey,
has today (Wednesday)
called for clarification
from the Departments of
Agriculture and Sport on
comments made by the
Environment Minister that
the existing regulation
governing the Irish
Greyhound Board (IGB)
and the Irish Coursing
Club (ICC) is inadequate.
Senator Coffey went on to
say that the Minister’s
comments, which could
potentially be extremely
damaging for the
industries, demand a
response from the
Departments that preside
over each respective body.
“ Statements this morning
by the Environment
Minister, while debating
the Dog Breeding Bill in
the Seanad, that the
current legislation that
governs the IGB and the
ICC is inadequate, are
potentially toxic and could
potentially cause
irrevocable damage to
these industries,
domestically and
internationally.
“ When I questioned the
Minister last week in the
Seanad about whether or
not the IGB and the ICC,
both of whom are
currently regulated by the
Greyhound Industry Act
1958, would be subjected
to fees and inspections on
the double, following the
introduction of this Bill, he
danced a jig, was
astoundingly ill-informed
and completely unable to
give a straight answer on
the matter.
“ His comments today will
undoubtedly cause
considerable unease,
however, for Ministers
Cullen and Smith as both
the greyhound and
coursing sectors are
generally thought to be
well regulated and are the
subject of very few
complaints.
“ Minster Gormley’s
attempt to have his own
Bill passed by casting a
slur on the current
regulation system, as well
as two semi-State
agencies, is beyond belief.
I am calling on Fianna Fáil
TDs and Senators to
front-up and clarify if they
agree with Minister
Gormley’s slur on
regulation within the Irish
Greyhound Industry which
has high standing
internationally. This Bill, as
it currently stands, has the
potential to wipe out the
Irish Greyhound Industry.
Fine Gael agrees that
puppy farming must be
regulated, however, the
Party has submitted
amendments that will
protect the Irish
Greyhound Industry which
the Government would be
well advised to accept.”

Fat_Fingers

Nowso my man, please enough of reposting same post and crazy formating. It huts my eyes..

Nowso

Apologies for the posting Format etc.
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It was necessary to post that statement To clarify the position as it is!