James Toney signs with UFC

dlofnep

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/03/exclusive-james-toney-signs-multi-fight-deal-with-ufc/

He's past his prime, but has a granite chin. If they put him in with someone who's willing to slug - we might have some cracking fights Otherwise, he'll be submitted in a matter of seconds ;(

magma69

dlofnep wrote: »

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/03/exclusive-james-toney-signs-multi-fight-deal-with-ufc/

He's past his prime, but has a granite chin. If they put him in with someone who's willing to slug - we might have some cracking fights Otherwise, he'll be submitted in a matter of seconds ;(

Most likely the latter. Boxing fans don't like to admit it but boxers would get their arses whooped in MMA. Whoever Toney fights will get him on the ground instantly and it's only going to go one way after that.

clubwelly

I can see it now Kimbo versus Toney.
He'll get submitted easy. Same as mayorga whenever he fights

Vintagekits

and people are saying that the UFC isnt a freak show! :rolleyes:

duagre

Toney is so full of nonsense.
He thinks it should be his right to fight for a world title whenever he wants to despite the fact he's done nothing of relevance in years. I'm quite frankly sick of hearing him moan about the Klitschko's "ducking" him.

He's going to get completely embarrassed in ufc.

sweetswing

magma69 wrote: »

Most likely the latter. Boxing fans don't like to admit it but boxers would get their arses whooped in MMA. Whoever Toney fights will get him on the ground instantly and it's only going to go one way after that.

100 percent agree, although there is no mma fighter who could step into a boxing ring with toney without getting sparked out

rovert

What about Anderson Silva

dlofnep

rovert wrote: »

What about Anderson Silva

Are you serious?

Toney would spark him out in a round in a boxing match. In MMA - it's a different kettle of fish though.

T-K-O

Anderson Silva would destroy James Toney. Toney is washed bad move by the UFC and JT.

dlofnep

T-K-O wrote: »

Anderson Silva would destroy James Toney. Toney is washed bad move by the UFC and JT.

Based on what evidence? Toney on his worst day is better than Silva on his best day in boxing.

walshb

dlofnep wrote: »

Based on what evidence? Toney on his worst day is better than Silva on his best day in boxing.

Me thinks T-K-O is referring to a UFC match?

T-K-O

Jaysus,

Of course Im talking MMA

dlofnep

walshb wrote: »

Me thinks T-K-O is referring to a UFC match?

Oh ok - Well in that case, yes. Silva would wreck him.

T-K-O

dlofnep wrote: »

Oh ok - Well in that case, yes. Silva would wreck him.

The MMA V Boxing is not even worthy of a debate, its like comparing Tiger Woods to an Ice hockey player

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

The MMA V Boxing is not even worthy of a debate, its like comparing Tiger Woods to an Ice hockey player

But, lets be honest, I think Toney stands a better chance to beat Silva at MMA than Silva stands to beat Toney at Boxing...

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

But, lets be honest, I think Toney stands a better chance to beat Silva at MMA than Silva stands to beat Toney at Boxing...

To be honest that doesnt mean anything. MMA guys train to strike they dont train to box.

JacksonHeightsOwn

as a big mma fan of many years, i just hate to see this kind of thing

keep the big ogre mma fighters to themselves, and let the boxers fight boxers

this cross over sport thing is a pile of rubbish, toney is just going to get embarassed, simple as

T-K-O

chrisbonnie wrote: »

as a big mma fan of many years, i just hate to see this kind of thing

keep the big ogre mma fighters to themselves, and let the boxers fight boxers

this cross over sport thing is a pile of rubbish, toney is just going to get embarassed, simple as

I agree its a total waste of time, a guy like Penn would submit an untrained guys 3 times his size in seconds.

dlofnep

chrisbonnie wrote: »

as a big mma fan of many years, i just hate to see this kind of thing

keep the big ogre mma fighters to themselves, and let the boxers fight boxers

this cross over sport thing is a pile of rubbish, toney is just going to get embarassed, simple as

What do you mean by big ogre mma fighters?

Raekwon

What are the odds that his first fight will be against Kimbo Slice who submitted another former heavyweight champion, Ray Mercer, in an exhibition MMA fight three years ago.

dlofnep

There was talks of it, but it looks like Kimbo is going to fight Mitrione.

peter p

Aparently toney has benn workin his wrestlin game for a while now, if he can keep it on the feet he could get lucky, havin said that if he is fighting randy couture he dont stand much of a chance with his takedown defence, considering randy took down the likes off lesnar (albiet not for long). all fights start standing up so u never know!
cant wait all the same!

JacksonHeightsOwn

dlofnep wrote: »

What do you mean by big ogre mma fighters?

Brock Lesnar for one, a huge beast of a man that has won the heavyweight title in his second 3rd fight, and all because of his massive size

you wouldnt see ANYBODY win a title in boxing in their 3rd fight, but you can in MMA, as there's a bigger emphasis on physical strength than technique

im not saying its not techincal or skillful, it is both, but a big strong man will last longer in mma then he will in boxing

dlofnep

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Brock Lesnar for one, a huge beast of a man that has won the heavyweight title in his second 3rd fight, and all because of his massive size

You are aware that he's a national collegiate wrestling champion right? It's not as if he fell off the back of a truck and just started training. He didn't win due to his size alone. That's either an uninformed opinion, or a disingenuous one. Which is it?

chrisbonnie wrote: »

you wouldnt see ANYBODY win a title in boxing in their 3rd fight, but you can in MMA, as there's a bigger emphasis on physical strength than technique

No there isn't. There's a balanced emphasis on a combination of everything. It's apples and oranges. MMA is still a relatively new sport and is continuing to mature.

If there was a bigger emphasis on physical strength, then Lesnar wouldn't have been submitted in his first fight against Mir.

chrisbonnie wrote: »

im not saying its not techincal or skillful, it is both, but a big strong man will last longer in mma then he will in boxing

No, he won't - unless he has skill. Name one MMA fighter that has had success purely because of his size.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

But, lets be honest, I think Toney stands a better chance to beat Silva at MMA than Silva stands to beat Toney at Boxing...

I don't, Toney is so shot right now that I actually wouldn't rule him out losing to a someone like that within his own discipline.

He was badly staggered and won a close decision against a light punching natural Light-Heavyweight in Danny Batchedler.
Then him and Rahman came together and managed to look terribly shot together in a 3 round NC.
He then got a massive gift as he was given the decision over Fres Oquendo and was again hurt by a very light puncher.

That's not too much concern when your matching him up against a guy with no/little boxing experience despite their athleticism.
Only that in his last fight against an out of shape 12-5 fighter, he was once again staggered and looked in trouble till he rallied and turned the fight around.

Despite what someone said on this thread, one of Toney's big strengths(his chin) has no left him and considering all his other problems; no foot movement/foot speed, terrible workrate, slowing reflexes and punch speed, being a Heavyweight in a Light-Heavyweight's body, it's not inconceivable that he could be taken out by an inexperienced fighter with a big punch.
Matthew Greer could of very well been the man to do it.
Toney's only going to deteriorate more from that fight, despite his background in wrestling he'd be brutally beaten by any half decent fighter in MMA.


Generally boxers and MMA fighters will murder each other in their chosen discipline. Toney however isn't guaranteed to beat anyone in boxing with some athleticism and a bit of a punch.

He also turned down $1 million to fight Wlad several years back, which makes his rants about the Klitschko's even more tiring. He's a shot fighter, who's speech is barely understandable anymore and is suffering from early signs of brain damage. He should quit fighting altogether, rather than go into UFC.
This is probably some ploy by Dana white to 'prove' MMA is better than boxing, and tbh it's a pretty clever one as some would still argue Toney is a Heavyweight contender in this present division.

duagre

We are now having a discussion which was already dated 7 years ago; truly amazing. Thanks James Toney for bringing this one back from the dead.


They are different sports. Now can we all please move on with our lives.

JacksonHeightsOwn

dlofnep wrote: »

No, he won't - unless he has skill. Name one MMA fighter that has had success purely because of his size.

Bob Sapp

dlofnep

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Bob Sapp

Sapp hasn't beaten anyone worth a piss in MMA. And it's not a valid comparison, because Sapp is 350bs of pure muscle and would probably KO most small heavyweight boxers.

Infact, Sapp is a great example of why strength alone will not give you success in MMA. He was submitted by Minowa, who's half his size.

Try again.

cowzerp

dlofnep wrote: »

Sapp hasn't beaten anyone worth a piss in MMA. And it's not a valid comparison, because Sapp is 350bs of pure muscle and would probably KO most small heavyweight boxers.

Infact, Sapp is a great example of why strength alone will not give you success in MMA. He was submitted by Minowa, who's half his size.

Try again.

Sapp would Ko no decent heavyweight boxer, he has no skill and would be picked apart easily-and i agree, sapp is not a good mma fighter and is just part of the freak show culture in japanese mma.

dlofnep

cowzerp wrote: »

Sapp would Ko no decent heavyweight boxer, he has no skill and would be picked apart easily-and i agree, sapp is not a good mma fighter and is just part of the freak show culture in japanese mma.

Tbh, I think he could catch a smaller heavyweight if they underestimated him. Look at what he did to Hoost.. He hits very hard - If they could avoid the initial flush (which by Sapp's gastank is only about 30 seconds), yes they would wreck him.

joepenguin

So have they any plans for him? maybe himself and kimbo slice or did he qaulify from ultimate fighter?

Dana obviously is out for a quick buck on the likes of Toney but I hope Toney in return can make enough so its worth his while.

RazzoLazzo

JT has extremley high boxing skills,and knockout power,he has a punchers chance in the ufc..and he's a pretty good puncher