the regional

flutered

last night in casualty a guy came in complaining of chest pains, he was told take a seat, you will be seen when we are ready, 3 hours later he collapsed, then he was seen hopefully in time, also hopefully he is ok.

also last evening at 5 p.m. a patient arrived in with a doctors referral, at 3 am the patient was told please return in the morning, as there are 9 patients in front of you.

would the above apply to harney or her lackney drumm.

they remove funding because the hospital it is not achiveing what they require,
they then close the a&e in nenagh, send patients to limerick, which has funding reduced.
seen as harney and drumm are failing to meet targets, are their wages cut,
not likely, drumm got a nice bonus for using the boning knife.

Paulegend

did you stay there for the 10 hours that person was sent home??:eek:

TheWarrior

Was there last year with my child, I also had a doctors referral letter. Was about 7 hours waiting to get seen by a doctor & about 12 before admittance to a room (after which couldn't fault the place).
The amount of drunk, high, scumbags we had to endure while waiting was something else. I wouldn't wish a trip to the A&E at the regional on anyone.

Raiser

Its going to get worse - far worse; Mary Harney and Guru Drumm somehow managed to convince us that it was reasonable for Tipperary and Clare to make their way in there and queue too.......What they have in place now is going to seem like Disneyland in comparison to what's on the way......

concussion

Maybe there were more serious injuries being taken in. A&E works on a triage system.

TheWarrior

Maybe-
Why is it that toddlers & young kids have to sit there and look the dredges of society and not have some kind of seperate waiting room is beyond me. But I guess- like everything in Ireland- you just have to grin & bare it.:mad:

bazz26

The drunk, disorderly and general scum always seem to be bumped upto the top of the queue. They just want them in and out of there as quickly as possible, the more trouble they make the faster they get treated.

concussion

The socio-economic status of the patients is not a medical issue - maybe you should address your concerns about the level of hospital security to your local TD? If your child has been sitting there for three hours with a simple fracture (no obvious deformation) and a filthy drunken scumbag comes in with blood pouring down his face after falling down and hitting his head then I reckon you'll be waiting longer. Head injuries are more serious than potential fractures. That's just the way it is.

flutered

Paulegend wrote: »

did you stay there for the 10 hours that person was sent home??:eek:

it was not me, a friend with a snapped knee ligament, arrived at 5, at 9 asked for pain relief, at 3 am given crutches and told come back in the morning at 10, there is 7 before you, so to arrive this morning and asked to join the waiting list again,

while on the subject, i was informed by a gp that they do not to do house calls.

Furious_Daz

bazz26 wrote: »

The drunk, disorderly and general scum always seem to be bumped upto the top of the queue. They just want them in and out of there as quickly as possible, the more trouble they make the faster they get treated.

Any evidence to back up that unlikely opinion? I seriously doubt scumbags would be bumped ahead of someone who needed treatment more urgently because they were causing a bit of hassle in the waiting area. The last time I was in the emergency waiting room (about 2 months ago) they had a team of at least 5 security gaurds who turfed out anyone who got a bit rowdy (after a fair warning to behave themselves).

flutered

ah the regional again, this afternoon a guy suffering from polio entered a&e, his crutch(s) were worn out, he asked for a replacement pair, only to be told it was not in their remit to provide them, i can verify this if any one requires verifacition,
people what the fcuk
tht excuse of a minister cullen get nationwide publicity and sympethy because he has back pain
did he have to wait
will he have to suffer
he is to be in hospital for the rest of the week
pity its not the regional he arrived to with a medical card in the heel of his fist.
it has got to the stage that in the limerick east constituncey, also limerick west, that if one is in the low income group and has requiements nothing can be got unless going through the tds.

Raiser

flutered wrote: »

.....it has got to the stage that in the limerick east constituncey, also limerick west, that if one is in the low income group and has requiements nothing can be got unless going through the tds.

I once heard of a Great Man called William O'Dea who made a career out of "fixing" People up on a nod and a wink with healthcare, security, rights and freedoms that in most civilised Countries you expect as a matter of course as a Taxpayer.......

- Other Filth will fill his place in the passage of time - There will always be a place in Ireland for normal Civic/Societal process to be commandeered by Cute-Hoor Political W@nkers.

concussion

Flutered - I'm not surprised; worn out crutches are neither an accident nor an emergency. A&E isn't a medical warehouse, it's for patching people up.

flutered

concussion wrote: »

Flutered - I'm not surprised; worn out crutches are neither an accident nor an emergency. A&E isn't a medical warehouse, it's for patching people up.

yeah but to a polio victim a broken chutch is the worse possible senario, could they get his id, when he has one from the proper scource return it, if not bill him, or arrange for a replacement from his scource.

concussion

And what about some fella who comes in with a shattered leg and can't get a crutch becuase they've all been given away to non-emergency patients. I'm not saying the polio patient shouldn't get one from the HSE, I'm saying A&E is not the place.

source

bazz26 wrote: »

The drunk, disorderly and general scum always seem to be bumped upto the top of the queue. They just want them in and out of there as quickly as possible, the more trouble they make the faster they get treated.

Load of bull, i have first hand experience of Gardai having to wait around with a handcuffed injured prisoner who was kicking off, because of more serious cases coming into the hospital.

I have personally suffered the wrath of the regional waiting room, i think me and concussion spent over 11 hours out there waiting to be seen because of a leg injury i had.

However i did have to go out there one day for an xray because my doc thought my nose might have been broken, went out at 0930 on a wed morning and was out of there by 1100.

It is unfortunate but most of the time that people are left waiting around are during the weekend nights, say thursday night to monday night. You know when all the drunk people are around falling over having accidents. It's also the time when the majority of people are off work and doing things like gardening, playing sports, cooking, cycling and a miriad of other activities which could potentially provide you with a lovely boo boo.

I don't think the hospital or the government are all to blame, we as a people do not take safety precautions seriously, how many people do you see cycling with no helmet? How many people do you see using power tools without the necessary safety equipment, because "it's faster". We are as much to blame for causing overcrowding in a hospital.

I for one am glad that the A&E works on a triage system, if i had to be brought in there after a serious car crash i wouldn't want to be sitting around waiting because some kid has the sniffles and their mother has demanded to see a doctor immediately (this does happen, believe me).

So i guess what i'm saying is that while yes the hospitals are not run as effectively or efficiently as they could be, We don't exactly help the situation either running to the A&E with every little ailment that could easily be taken care of by our GP or the out of hours doctor service.

Soulcrew09

bazz26 wrote: »

The drunk, disorderly and general scum always seem to be bumped upto the top of the queue. They just want them in and out of there as quickly as possible, the more trouble they make the faster they get treated.

From what I saw im afraid I have to agree with this, was out there twice last year with the gf and the only people getting anywhere were the ones kicking off and mouthing at the doctors.
I feel sorry for anyone who has to go their at any time let alone the weekend.

whatdoicare

Was in waiting room once with a friend and we witnessed a panicked mother running in the door with a very young baby who'd just been in a car crash and baby wouldn't wake up-

she was asked lengthy questions and then asked to take a seat.:eek: She just sat down and started crying for her baby to wake up- poor woman was in an awful state!

myself and another fella started banging on the door for security guard, we were totally ignored until a lady who was being called in next just grabbed the woman as the nurse opened the door and forced her through the door screaming for a doctor.

I wrote a letter to limerick leader about it and it was never reported. I'lll never until the day I die forget that day, I felt sick for weeks worrying about that baby.

RachPie

I'm in Nenagh and I can honestly say it makes no sense whatsoever to close down that a and e at the weekends and after 6! I looked at the plans, and if they were carried out (extra resources at the regional, etc) it would be only just plausible, but as it is it is ridiculous! Don't worry about Harney she's booked into the Blackrock Clinic.. wouldn't step in the regional if her life depended on it .. what a joke

Firefox11

Yeah, 7 hours sounds about right for average waiting time in there. At least that's what it was when i was there. All i can say is i hope to god i don't get ill again any time soon again!!:eek:

Raiser

RachPie wrote: »

I'm in Nenagh and I can honestly say it makes no sense whatsoever to close down that a and e at the weekends and after 6! I looked at the plans, and if they were carried out (extra resources at the regional, etc) it would be only just plausible, but as it is it is ridiculous! Don't worry about Harney she's booked into the Blackrock Clinic.. wouldn't step in the regional if her life depended on it .. what a joke

It is to all of our shame in the 3 Counties that we let this unbelievably irresponsible change happen.....It will probably become a textbook example of Public Apathy and Civic Indifference in years to come.

People have already died on the road trying to make it from Tipperary and Clare into Limerick Regional Hospital, and even if you do make it in alive you get to queue behind the sick and injured of 3 whole Counties???

- I guarantee you that it will take the tragic death of a Child/Young Person and the subsequent 6 days of Newspaper/Radio and TV coverage before the inevitable reversal of this cheap and cynical step....

I also believe that the Consultants and Spokespeople in the Regional that appeared on Primetime defending and rationalising this bizarre, dangerous and socially irresponsible experiment will also end up discredited and apologetic in the long term - I hope whatever budgetary increases or whatever other variables involved that convinced them to back this Sham are worth it to them as they try to sleep at night.

source

Firefox11 wrote: »

Yeah, 7 hours sounds about right for average waiting time in there. At least that's what it was when i was there. All i can say is i hope to god i don't get ill again any time soon again!!:eek:

This is part of the problem as i outlined it above, if you're ILL then you shouldn't be going to the ACCIDENT and EMERGENCY department of a hospital, you should be going to a doctor. If you call your doctor then you will get a number for a doc who is on after hours calls, also there is an after hours clinic beside the hi-way restaurant. You can also call ShannonDoc if you're living in a rural area.

But instead of doing this, people who are ILL decide it is better to go to A&E and clog the system up then complain when they have to wait 7 hours to see a doctor, because people who have been involved in accidents and emergencies are brought in and put before them.

I'm not saying the system is perfect, and i think that Mary Harney has taken the health service and run it into the ground, but waiting times in A&E are usually because people go there for every little cough or sniffle they have. This is not what A&E is for this is what pharmacy's and your doctor are for.

munstergirl

Was in regional recently a saturday morning, in & out in 2 hours, (nothing but praise for nurses, doctors, staff etc,) it was mad busy inside the casualty,waiting room maybe 8 people.
I needed emergency op, got it done the monday, i did have to sit around waiting few hours in agony waiting for bed, but they got me one, (no insurance, no medical card, no politican) maybe i just got lucky,
But i felt well looked after by all. Thank you regional.

Firefox11

foinse wrote: »

This is part of the problem as i outlined it above, if you're ILL then you shouldn't be going to the ACCIDENT and EMERGENCY department of a hospital, you should be going to a doctor. If you call your doctor then you will get a number for a doc who is on after hours calls, also there is an after hours clinic beside the hi-way restaurant. You can also call ShannonDoc if you're living in a rural area.

But instead of doing this, people who are ILL decide it is better to go to A&E and clog the system up then complain when they have to wait 7 hours to see a doctor, because people who have been involved in accidents and emergencies are brought in and put before them.

I'm not saying the system is perfect, and i think that Mary Harney has taken the health service and run it into the ground, but waiting times in A&E are usually because people go there for every little cough or sniffle they have. This is not what A&E is for this is what pharmacy's and your doctor are for.

Well it was my GP that referred me to A&E in the first place so you will have to blame him. I didn't think it was serious when I went to my GP but he obviously did. It was a complete shock to me.

Raiser

Firefox11 wrote: »

Well it was my GP that referred me to A&E in the first place so you will have to blame him. I didn't think it was serious when I went to my GP but he obviously did. It was a complete shock to me.

GP :rolleyes:

Next time check on here with us first just to be sure......

Firefox11

Will do....;)

source

Firefox11 wrote: »

Will do....;)

Either that or mention it in your original post that you were referred to the hospital by your gp, i'm not a mind reader you know.:rolleyes:

When you arrive you give your symptoms to the person behind the counter,this is all transmitted to the triage room, where a nurse will grade the seriousness of your condition, you are then placed on a list according to this grade. those with grade 1 are seen first and those with grade 5 are left waiting until everyone else is dealt with. Ordinarily people who are referred to the hospital by their doctor will be grade 4/5, hence the waiting. if you're in serious trouble the doctor will get an ambulance for you.

Oh and another little interesting bit of trivia about emergency medicine, is that the same process applies if you arrive by ambulance, you're graded and then told to wait if not serious. just because you come into the hospital in a nee naw doesn't mean you'll jump the queue.

zuroph

ya but its more fun...

Raiser

foinse wrote: »

Either that or mention it in your original post that you were referred to the hospital by your gp, i'm not a mind reader you know.:rolleyes:

When you arrive you give your symptoms to the person behind the counter,this is all transmitted to the triage room, where a nurse will grade the seriousness of your condition, you are then placed on a list according to this grade. those with grade 1 are seen first and those with grade 5 are left waiting until everyone else is dealt with. Ordinarily people who are referred to the hospital by their doctor will be grade 4/5, hence the waiting. if you're in serious trouble the doctor will get an ambulance for you.

Oh and another little interesting bit of trivia about emergency medicine, is that the same process applies if you arrive by ambulance, you're graded and then told to wait if not serious. just because you come into the hospital in a nee naw doesn't mean you'll jump the queue.

Top tip of the day #218:

Present at the A&E Reception Window holding a bath towel soaked in red food colouring and explain in clear terms that you have a haemorrhaging contusion to your carotid artery.

- You'll be attended to within 3 minutes of arrival and get your Man-Flu seen to a lot more promptly than could otherwise be expected.

billy the squid

Raiser , quit your trolling. this is your one and only warning.

Raiser

billy the squid wrote: »

Raiser , quit your trolling. this is your one and only warning.

Was only joking in all fairness William......!?!?!?!

Does anyone know of confirmed cases of unfortunate Folk trying to make it in to the Regional from the wrong side of Clare and Tipperary and dying en route?

- I think there was one poor Man who died on the Dock Rd. trying to make in in from the Wilds of Clare with a heart condition?

What if your small Child or Baby had a choking incident or Asthma attack or something and there you are perhaps 90+ minutes from the nearest A&E Dept. - You're potentially talking about cradling your Child in traffic while they die in your arms.

Its ludicrous.

Obviously Harney and Drumm would always be happy to push policy like this through.... but for the Regional Hospital themselves to back it for their own gain is just scary.....

- A real moral vacuum in my opinion.

Tech3

The regional A&E is crazy way too many patients for the amount of staff working in there.

I wasnt sure if I broke my ankle a few days ago playing soccer and decided to go to St. Johns instead of the regional as I expected a crazy amount of time waiting in there. I know they work on the same Triage system in St Johns but there is less patients running into the A&E and the €100 was worth it. Took me just over 3hrs to get it checked out.

I went there before as well and it only took me an hour for a broken wrist to get it checked, xrayed and bandaged. So general rule is the avoid the regional unless you have a serious injury to look at otherwise you will be waiting hours on the triage system.

Raiser

Hypothetically if Brendan Drumm and Mary Harney were involved in a head on collision - with each other that is.......

- Where would they go for medical treatment, how long would they wait, and would they spend even one moment on a Trolley in a Hospital corridor?

When I think of Mary Harney and the HSE in the context of the sick games they are playing with the health and well-being of the Irish People and their Children I honestly am reminded of the Nazi Commandants who escaped Germany in 1945 and lived full, comfortable and privileged lives in South America.

- I bet she is planning on sipping cocktails by the Pool in her Argentine Mansion sometime around 2014 and leaving us drown in the pool of vomit she has created for us....

Mrmoe

At the end of the day it all comes down to greed. Greed by people who will kick up a fuss if they have to pay extra taxes or take a wage cut. If you want an excellent health service you have to pay for it. I realise there is a lot of money wasted in some areas but if this is reversed it still would not be enough. If you want better healthcare you have to pay for it, it is as simple as that. I have family that work there and what they tell me about the place, it sounds like hell at times. What happens there is a symptom and not the problem.

Diairist

didn't Tullamore get a hospital from a green field site to a working a & e within 2 years? Anyone know what waiting times are like in Tullamore?

concussion

Raiser wrote: »

Does anyone know of confirmed cases of unfortunate Folk trying to make it in to the Regional from the wrong side of Clare and Tipperary and dying en route?

Why don't you contact your local TD and have a question tabled in the Dáil?

Kess73

concussion wrote: »

Why don't you contact your local TD and have a question tabled in the Dáil?

The issue was brought before the Dail, by a Clare TD, when it was first announced.

Funnily enough there was some Limerick Minister who backed the idea of merging the A&Es during the discussion in the Dail. :rolleyes:

flutered

concussion wrote: »

Why don't you contact your local TD and have a question tabled in the Dáil?

you will make a fortune in butlins this summer as a comedian, the best laugh i have had this year.

concussion

I'm perfectly serious. There's no point whining here about it here, if someone has issues with a public service they should get their TD to put a question to the relevant Minister. That's the whole point of written/oral answers, the question is on the record, as is the answer. If someone suspects that the closure of local A&E's has resulted in deaths then that is a serious issue.

bluedolphin

I have to admit that two years ago I went to A&E in the Regional with a fractured bone in my foot. I was in and out within two hours (x-rayed, plastered and appointment for frac clinic) simply because I have Cystic Fibrosis and sitting around in an A&E waiting area could be potentially fatal for me. Within about 10 minutes of telling the reception desk my info (including medical history), I was brought inside and into a room on my own. Personally, I wouldn't have minded waiting there in line, but obviously the room was needed (it was an emergency resus room) so I was dealt with promptly.

However, I have been there on previous occasions where things have not been so fruitful. In fact, that was my first time to A&E where I was bumped up because of my illness, and I make no apology for it (I haven't been there since, fortunately, to see if it's rigorously implemented). Public waiting areas full of sick people are potentially fatal to people with CF, and I presume there are other cases where 'queue-jumping' may be necessary. So, while I was presenting with a very minor injury, leaving me in a waiting area with all sorts of potential infections made me a priority.

I'm just explaining this because I know there were people giving me terribly dirty looks when I got called despite the fact that they had been sitting there for hours before me because, obviously, I just looked like a regular fracture patient.

Don't get me started on the HSE as a whole though, or on facilities for people with CF (in saying that though, at least the Regional has one private ensuite dedicated for CF patients). :mad:

zuroph

so what you're saying is tell the receptionist that you have cystic fibrosis and you get bumped to the top of list. cheers!

flutered

concussion wrote: »

I'm perfectly serious. There's no point whining here about it here, if someone has issues with a public service they should get their TD to put a question to the relevant Minister. That's the whole point of written/oral answers, the question is on the record, as is the answer. If someone suspects that the closure of local A&E's has resulted in deaths then that is a serious issue.

what has our local tds done to upgrade the regional, it has been downgraded twice (i think) in order to have university collage hospital upgraded, the silent two (odea and power) will always remain silent, ironic really it seemed for years odea done his best to keep power down, now power is a mini minister, and odea is zilch, but me thinks the only time the silent two will open their mouths in the dail will be to yawn.

concussion

There are more than two TD's in Limerick. Plus plenty more in the geographical area affected by the centralisation of A&E in Limerick. Contact one of the opposition TD's and raise your concerns.

bluedolphin

zuroph wrote: »

so what you're saying is tell the receptionist that you have cystic fibrosis and you get bumped to the top of list. cheers!

When you have a chronic illness in a country with the highest rate of incidence yet lowest life expectancy in the world, sometimes the optimist takes over and you have to see the perks. So, I guess, in short, yes. PM me and I'll give you my patient ID number as well so that you can have the proof to back it up. Oh, and while you're in there, would you mind popping in to several of the clinics that I need to go to as well, please.


Cheers!


:pac:

snowman707

concussion wrote: »

There are more than two TD's in Limerick. Plus plenty more in the geographical area affected by the centralisation of A&E in Limerick. Contact one of the opposition TD's and raise your concerns.

as far as i can see the opposition tds are bigger a**holes than the shower in government

concussion

Fair enough. Whine about it here so, see how much attention you'll get from those who have the capacity to do something about it.