new true iptv service coming to ireland

adizzl

but is ireland ready??? seriously is it ready for new service?????

Ranicand

adizzl wrote: »

but is ireland ready??? seriously is it ready for new service?????

No it is not because any IPTV service has to go over networks that have usage limits built in.

zilog_jones

Magnet already do IPTV in FTTH areas, though it's a bit crap - they're much more limited in bandwidth than a cable network so are lacking in a variety of channels and picture/sound quality. Their STBs are also infuriatingly slow...

Minstrel27

adizzl wrote: »

but is ireland ready??? seriously is it ready for new service?????

Does Ireland want it?

No

adizzl

cable jams up band width more cause all the content is flowing through at once........to your stb and then it is selcted by you at the end.. using iptv the content remains back at the servers and you select what you want when you want it thus using e.g one lane of bandwith on the multilane bandwidth motorway.....
so no it should be better... 2 megs broadband and you are good to receive it.........

zilog_jones

adizzl wrote: »

cable jams up band width more cause all the content is flowing through at once........to your stb and then it is selcted by you at the end.. using iptv the content remains back at the servers and you select what you want when you want it thus using e.g one lane of bandwith on the multilane bandwidth motorway.....
so no it should be better... 2 megs broadband and you are good to receive it.........

IP doesn't work that way - the internet is not a series of tubes
IPTV systems still need to broadcast all the channels at all times for anyone to receive any one channel. There's massive bandwidth required for this at the content provider's end. 2Mbit/s is not sufficient for HDTV and borderline for SDTV. Packet switched networking is not the most reliable solution for TV broadcasting.

What bandwidth is cable "jamming up"? UPC have their own closed cable system, they have loads of frequency bandwidth at their own disposal which has no affect on anything but their network.

Kensington

adizzl wrote: »

cable jams up band width more cause all the content is flowing through at once........to your stb and then it is selcted by you at the end.. using iptv the content remains back at the servers and you select what you want when you want it thus using e.g one lane of bandwith on the multilane bandwidth motorway.....
so no it should be better... 2 megs broadband and you are good to receive it.........

You won't get very far with 2Mbps when you have an STB in the front room, an STB in the back room, an STB in each bedroom and someone on the internet trying to watch Youtube, all at the same time!

adizzl

so with iptv they can use less bandwidth than cable because of the point at which uiseage is.... end user is where all the content goes for cable......iptv user selects the channel and then receives that channel.....so badwidth is left free er with cable there is a thing called bottle necking which is because of the huge useage of the bandwidth....????? you tell me cable is down a split line with broadband and the bundles offered are phone internet and cable tv.. all on a split line... now the huge useage comes from cable not broadband internet or phonelines... iptv alleviates this issue to my understanding????
why would i HAVE RECIEVED A BLACK MARK FOR SPAM WITH THIS IDEA?????

adizzl

Kensington wrote: »

You won't get very far with 2Mbps when you have an STB in the front room, an STB in the back room, an STB in each bedroom and someone on the internet trying to watch Youtube, all at the same time!

who is the serivce you use????? and why would you think it is all plit like that???? 2 megs is a minimum requirement but with the up to 12 and 24 megs now offered it will be easy to have fifty laptops going with ten tv's all at the same time...... we are entering into a revolutionary time with this kind of stuff and a new wave is definitely around the corner...look at the whole world is in a race to expand broadband to every corner of the world...eircom working as they say round the clock to improve so we can only wait and see I guess......if you could get what you wanted would ya take it or be happy to just take what they give you ?????? serious now????

Ranicand

adizzl wrote: »

who is the serivce you use????? and why would you think it is all plit like that???? 2 megs is a minimum requirement but with the up to 12 and 24 megs now offered it will be easy to have fifty laptops going with ten tv's all at the same time...... we are entering into a revolutionary time with this kind of stuff and a new wave is definitely around the corner...look at the whole world is in a race to expand broadband to every corner of the world...eircom working as they say round the clock to improve so we can only wait and see I guess......if you could get what you wanted would ya take it or be happy to just take what they give you ?????? serious now????

You are just putting spam on the boards you have put this message into multiple threads without providing any link or details.

This is a cable forum people pay for the channels and access to the network comes as part of the price.

To get IPTV people first need to get a broadband connection from a proper company and then subscribe to IPTV which I can see pushing people over their usage limits.

Nobody on here has expressed any interest to say the very least.

My guess is this is some kind of con or the service is utter rubbish and you have not provided any information to the contrary.

adizzl

Ranicand wrote: »

You are just putting spam on the boards you have put this message into multiple threads without providing any link or details.

This is a cable forum people pay for the channels and access to the network comes as part of the price.

To get IPTV people first need to get a broadband connection from a proper company and then subscribe to IPTV which I can see pushing people over their usage limits.

Nobody on here has expressed any interest to say the very least.

My guess is this is some kind of con or the service is utter rubbish and you have not provided any information to the contrary.

No of course I am talking about a paid service not some illegal free bs.. but the question I am really trying to find is it worth it as in what do people here already have and what is it they want.. form of research not spamming anythin at all the forum I understood to be cable and mmds and iptv so there is nowhwere else to post on this board..... a fully paid subscription service to bring fully true iptv service...
thats all not spam ...isnt this a discussion board?????????????? then lets discuss......

Kensington

Bandwidth saturation isn't a problem at present with cable. Some of the problem people experience is due to inefficiency in how bandwidth is managed. There's hundreds of megahertz of capacity available for future use on UPCs cable networks, both in the form of currently unused frequency spectrum and in bandwidth currently taken up (in huge amounts!) by analogue channels. And with ever improving modulation and coding schemes, such as QAM-256 and up, DVB-C2, MPEG4 for video, DOCSIS 3.0 for data, the amount of raw bits you can push down the cable is increasing constantly.

You mention connections providing up to 24Mbps. Well I live in an urban area of South West Dublin, but the physical copper between my house and the Walkinstown exchange can just about manage 4Mbps, and that's on a good day. So I could get one TV and about 2Mbps of download? No thanks, my present suppliers Sky and UPC give me hundreds of channels, I can watch TV in more than one room at the same time, I have PVR functionality and 15Mbps of internet. I wouldn't be getting that if I relied on IPTV! And certainly not if I lived in most rural areas...

Besides, how do you plan on connecting people?
Do you honestly expect Eircom, who are currently trying to get a pay-TV service of their own on air, will willingly allow you to place switching units for every single set top box you have on your service, into their exchanges?
And how do you plan to fill the bandwidth you save by using IPTV?

adizzl

okay so potential resistance.. from companies maybe it will get legal... but how much does all that cost..sky and that for your viewing and eircom and all the stuff you get..... I will guess in excess of 100euro a month i could be wrong maybe even home phone ,internet and tv combined all in lets say 120 a month?????? now why pay that if another service has the technology and can do it for maybe 70 or 80 doesnt that make huge sense in this tough economy.....like ntl have advertised save 5hundred and odd per year surely it makes sense to save money where one can in these times and also receive hi def digital channels...hdmi etc etc
to think some company would not allow it is not cool to say the least as you know that is like saying we want to control you and you can only use a dell laptop and only do email over the internet....not the case....internet is the key to makingalot of this stuff work and no companie actually controls that......wouldnt you agree????? hi definition is for sure the way and will be the norm soon of course but I think the tv is just too huge an item in everybodies house that every one wants the best experience possible regardless of location... I understand I am in an area that if 1meg were available I would be doing well but that wont be forever either...............

zilog_jones

IPTV is not as easy as you think to set up.
You're not taking other factors into account with regards to internet connections. Magnet only do IPTV on their fibre networks because ADSL in most cases does not provide sufficient connection quality due to contention, latency, etc. It's just not feasible to do it on a national scale with current infrastructure - however it is currently feasible on the few FTTH residential areas in the country as you are talking about a relatively small user base. And as I already said, this current service is not up to the standards of UPC cable or satellite TV.

You don't have a clue what kind of money this would potentially cost - I could pull numbers out of my arse too but they would be equally meaningless. For starters if you looked at UPC's website you can get TV, broadband and phone for as little as €60 a month. Alternately you can get FTA satellite for a one-off installation cost of around €100 and phone and ADSL with someone like Vodafone for €40 a month.

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make. Is this just some pie-in-the-sky idea of your own?

Kensington

How can you undercut the other providers and still make a profit?

Content providers will all want their cut of your monthly subscription.
You still have to buy IP bandwidth off a transit carrier for internet.
You have to pay whoever's network you will be using for bandwidth.
You have to pay for backhaul.
You will have to rent room in exchanges for your equipment.
You have to buy encoders, multiplexers, IPTV routing and switching equipment, provide set top boxes, pay for EPG listings, pay royalties for encryption and software, provide technical support of some form - the list goes on.

zilog_jones

Exactly. It will cost millions to set up. Magnet spent at least €70m on their infrastructure.

Freddie59

adizzl wrote: »

cable jams up band width more cause all the content is flowing through at once........to your stb and then it is selcted by you at the end.. using iptv the content remains back at the servers and you select what you want when you want it thus using e.g one lane of bandwith on the multilane bandwidth motorway.....
so no it should be better... 2 megs broadband and you are good to receive it.........

What in God's name are you trying to say? At least do some basic research on the subject before posting.

who is this

This is very clearly spam. If not, it's just nonsense - cable wasting (it's own) bandwidth? Come on.

Maybe people should stop bumping it by replying?