English Fines

tipp86

Hi

A friend of mine drives a company car in London. He has picked up numerous fines for parking and been caught on speed cameras.

He is wondering will these fines ever find there way back?

Is it a UK reg company car ? If so they will defo go to the registered owner.

tipp86

RoverJames wrote: »

Is it a UK reg company car ? If so they will defo go to the registered owner.

No car is Irish as could be.

They won't find their way over here so, under current legislation they won't even follow them up.

kasper

i know a guy that left a few fines unpaid in the uk ,on a flight back from usa changing flights in heathrow when he got off in heathrow the police arrested him and he missed his connecting flight brought to court very large fine

tipp86

kasper wrote: »

i know a guy that left a few fines unpaid in the uk ,on a flight back from usa changing flights in heathrow when he got off in heathrow the police arrested him and he missed his connecting flight brought to court very large fine

This guy flys through heathrow every week then again car is in a company name.

kasper

did he receive the fines at an irish address ?

tipp86

kasper wrote: »

did he receive the fines at an irish address ?

He doesnt have a clue car registered with company so it would go there.

dirtydiesel

London bourogh councils use private firms to enforce parking regulations so its unlikely the parking fines will make it here.
Speeding fines are handled by the Metropolitan police in London, so sooner or later a marker will be put on that car which means if it passes an anpr camera an alarm will sound and the car will be pulled in.
If your banned from driving here your also now banned in the UK so theres a good chance the speeding fines will reach the cars registered owner as the irish and uk data bases most be linked otherwise how would the Uk police know someone here was banned.

Pete4779

RoverJames wrote: »

They won't find their way over here so, under current legislation they won't even follow them up.

No, they keep a record of your reg and car, and photos as with everyone. The process goes through normal channels e.g., London congestion charge, they keep the 14 days, up the fine, then if still not paid get a judgement and so on.

Not sure about police speed cameras but TfL will happily outsource your fines to debt collection agencies in the EU.

Also, they say that any vehicle with three or more outstanding penalties can be immobilised or removed in London. They might not need his ID at all, as they could just get it on the cameras and then impound it straight away.

slimjimmc

dirtydiesel wrote: »

If your banned from driving here your also now banned in the UK so theres a good chance the speeding fines will reach the cars registered owner as the irish and uk data bases most be linked otherwise how would the Uk police know someone here was banned.

Demspey signed into force on 28th Jan.

The mutual recognition process is outlined in the Road Traffic Act 2002 and based on that I very much doubt the databases are linked.
The Minister for Transport has to transmit the ban to the relevant licencing authority (I take this to mean we send them a list and they keep it on their files). The licencing authority then applies to a judge who decides whether or not to have the ban recognised at their end.

So it doesn't seem to be an instant or automatic process.

The mutual recognition only applies to driving bans which are imposed by a court and not by the accumulation of penalty points, therefore unless you were convicted before a judge here your details won't be sent over there, or you gave them to the UK authorities on an earlier occasion.

kazul

tipp86 wrote: »

Hi

A friend of mine drives a company car in London. He has picked up numerous fines for parking and been caught on speed cameras.

He is wondering will these fines ever find there way back?

If there's any justice they will. If you break the rules, be ready to take your lumps.

Typical paddy attitude, "shur it doesn't matter, the car is on Irish plates"

If an english bloke came on here saying he had flouted our road traffic laws on his UK reg company car I bet there would be uproar.

ardmacha

London bourogh councils use private firms to enforce parking regulations so its unlikely the parking fines will make it here.

If there is a large amount outstanding I don't see why they should not pass the debt on to debt collectors. If he works for a company of any size, it would be easy enough to track down.

Carawaystick

ardmacha wrote: »

If there is a large amount outstanding I don't see why they should not pass the debt on to debt collectors. If he works for a company of any size, it would be easy enough to track down.

How would an english debt collector legally find out the name of a irish owner?
Never mind the fact the user could be a completely different person?

slimjimmc

kazul wrote: »

If there's any justice they will. If you break the rules, be ready to take your lumps.

Typical paddy attitude, "shur it doesn't matter, the car is on Irish plates"

I'm sure the same attitude applies throughout Europe and beyond. Do you believe if the driver was non-Irish he would pay up when he's confident nothing will happen.

kazul wrote: »

If an english bloke came on here saying he had flouted our road traffic laws on his UK reg company car I bet there would be uproar.

Ah now that's not true, drivers of foreign cars have been flouting our traffic laws for years (usually speeding and sometimes insurance/drink). I haven't heard much uproar yet.

L1011

Carawaystick wrote: »

How would an english debt collector legally find out the name of a irish owner?
Never mind the fact the user could be a completely different person?

It appears to be incredibly easy to get a copy of the full NVDF, unfortunately.

As it goes, I've lost count of how often I've used the "Irish lane" on the M40 (average speed cameras and continual roadworks, when the workers are gone at night all the UK and usually the Continentel reg cars are keeping to 50mph in the inner lanes and the outer lane is nearly solely Irish reg cars doing anything from 70 to 120mph); never had anything. Also been flashed by a fixed GATSO or two, again nothing.

Its not worth the hassle of them bothering to track me down to send a fine and points they can't apply. Private organisations are probably more likely to chase up than the state, actually - you need to be a lot more careful of privately run carparks!

corktina

you dont need to worry too much about cameras over but you need to bear in miond they can and will take your car off you and make life generally awkward if you meet the wrong guy. For instance, you need to be able to proove your ID and if you cant they are quite entitled to put you in the cells whilst they find out your details.A bit inconveniant if you are hurrying for the ferry.

UK drivers as a whole do NOT speed through road work sections, its a worker-safety issue)