Ahhhh!

Midnight_EG

Roysh lads, bitta help needed.

Car: 95 EG Honda Civic
Problem: Seems to be idling low, checked and cleaned the IACV and she's fine, she starts every time, sometimes the odd hesitation but runs grand, no stutters when it's running, except........ tonight she died on me as I dropped the gf home, just literally knocked off and had to pull over. A turn of the key and she started up fine.
I've a feeling it's the timing belt, anyone agree or know how I'd find out for definite?

Any input is appreciated lads.

I would doubt it's the belt to be honest, I'd have a look at all ignition components, particularly leads and dis cap.

stealthyspeeder

Were you in gear when it happened? If you were, what speed were you doing? and at what RPM?

Muckie

I'm guessing engine temp sensor. Any reason why you think its the timing belt,
did you change it recently. Whats the car like on petrol, drinking
any more than normal. Also check your spark plugs too.

Midnight_EG

Ignition line was my next worry, I think it's the belt because to my knowledge it hasn't been changed with 109k miles on the clock.
I was doing 40kmh at 2500rpm in second gear just literally after taking off from the lights, then it shuddered and seemed to knock off, tried to turn it and wasnt happenin for me so I pulled to the side and it turned over first time

Temp sensor was only changed a few weeks ago actually, and she's fine on petrol.

its not the belt, it has not snapped obviously as it restarted, if the belt had slippede which it hasn't it would be running like a pig. You might have a fuel problem but i reckon its ignition.

Midnight_EG

Hmm think I'll just go ahead and get a new dizzy cap and leads, thanks

king lead, cap or coil, the 4 plug leads are probably fine but no harm changing them. Any chance you were in 4th and just stalled it ?

Midnight_EG

Nope, 100% 2nd cos I just took off and acceleration was fine, no hesitation.

fryup

dirty carburator maybe

zilog_jones

Carb in a '95 Civic? I don't think so

Midnight_EG

zilog_jones wrote: »

Carb in a '95 Civic? I don't think so

I do

JHMEG

zilog_jones wrote: »

Carb in a '95 Civic? I don't think so

One of the last cars to have a carb. And not just any carb, a twin venturi down draught carb made by Keihin (famous carb maker in the bike world).

Lash some redex into the carb intake and give her an Italian tune up

Tea drinker

WOW it has a carb!
The carb might be getting a bit blocked up, try running some fuel system cleaner through it. I've seen that happen with carbs, sometimes a little bit of dirt can get in a jet and block it. Turning it off gives the dirt a chance to move back off the jet.
The fuel filter might be getting clogged too.
If the electrical stuff is all good and a filter and fuel cleaner doesn't sort it I would try getting the carb cleaned.

How long is it since the cambelt was changed did you say?

JHMEG

RoverJames wrote: »

king lead, cap or coil, the 4 plug leads are probably fine but no harm changing them. Any chance you were in 4th and just stalled it ?

That distributor has an integrated coil and ignitor. There's no 'king' lead, and tbh the main leads don't give trouble. One particular make of ignitor is prone to dry solder joints (Oki I think), and the coil is also prone to breaking down with age and arcing internally.

Either that or dirty petrol.

Midnight_EG

JHMEG wrote: »

That distributor has an integrated coil and ignitor. There's no 'king' lead, and tbh the main leads don't give trouble. One particular make of ignitor is prone to dry solder joints (Oki I think), and the coil is also prone to breaking down with age and arcing internally.

Either that or dirty petrol.

Been getting 'clean' petrol at the same pump the last few months actually, so I reckon somewhere along the ignition line is the problem.


Rover, what did you mean by redex the intake? Cos the pip going from the carb is literally only to the body?

zilog_jones

Is that a D13B2? I knew the 1.3 EG originally had carbs but assumed they didn't make it past Euro 1 standards. That is surprising. I wonder why they stuck with them for so long, even though the 1.5 had EFI since '92?

Midnight_EG

zilog_jones wrote: »

Is that a D13B2? I knew the 1.3 EG originally had carbs but assumed they didn't make it past Euro 1 standards. That is surprising. I wonder why they stuck with them for so long, even though the 1.5 had EFI since '92?

Yep, all the 1.3's had them I think

JHMEG

zilog_jones wrote: »

Is that a D13B2? I knew the 1.3 EG originally had carbs but assumed they didn't make it past Euro 1 standards. That is surprising. I wonder why they stuck with them for so long, even though the 1.5 had EFI since '92?

They stuck with them because they were cheaper and were able to pass emissions standards.

fryup

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Been getting 'clean' petrol at the same pump the last few months actually, so I reckon somewhere along the ignition line is the problem.

yes, but all brands of petrol have a certain amount of toxins that build up in the carbuator over time

JHMEG

More to the point all petrol stations sell clean petrol 99.99% of the time. Very occasionally something happens and there is dirt introduced, which can cause the symptoms described.

I had one of those cars (in fact that might be my old one, which was also 95 and black!) - dirty petrol would be my first stop (do nothing and wait for it to sort itself), and the distributor would be the 2nd.

fryup

you could either take out the carb and clean it (don't know how tricky that would be with a civic) or simply throw in a bottle of carb cleaner into the fuel tank e.g. Redex and see how it goes.

Midnight_EG

fryup wrote: »

you could either take out the carb and clean it (don't know how tricky that would be with a civic) or simply throw in a bottle of carb cleaner into the fuel tank e.g. Redex and see how it goes.

Just literally the butterfly clip on top, and the 4 latches around it, that's all.

I'll take out the filter and give it a clean tomorrow so

Tea drinker

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Just literally the butterfly clip on top, and the 4 latches around it, that's all.

I'll take out the filter and give it a clean tomorrow so

1st off, if you leave the carb on the engine with the cover off BLOCK UP THE CARB. Use some cloth or tissues stuffed will do. If you take the carb off it's even more important - that dropped screw could end up in a cylinder..

If you do go mad and take the carb off beware:
lots of easy to loose small parts
soft aluminium doesn't like manly torque
jets get cleaned with carb spray not pokey objects
use carb spray in a well ventilated area, or you will be cuckoo.
I wouldn't recommend you do it without someone who stripped a carb before. TBH leave it to a (good with carbs) pro

You can try your carb spray on the car while the engine is running and fairly warmed up. Don't spray loads in while it's off (flooding or worse) , and keep a fire extinguisher nearby or a bucket of water / wet rag.
Don't put your head over the carb while the engine is running, face off due to backfire in carb.

you have a catalyst? if so you need oxy sensor / catalyst safe cleaners.

I still say running some (2 tankfulls) fuel cleaner would do plenty.
There is another thread here on boards which says you can get BG fuel system cleaner in Honda (and Hyundai) garages. I heard this stuff is the best.

Midnight_EG

When I take off the lid, it's only a filter there?

JHMEG

Midnight_EG wrote: »

When I take off the lid, it's only a filter there?

The carb is under the air filter assembly.

Midnight_EG

JHMEG wrote: »

The carb is under the air filter assembly.

Ah righty, all right then, I'll get out the manual and take a look

Don't suppose you know if it'd be possible to get rid of the carb in favour of a cone?

When you take out the air filter there should be an intake visible, you pour some redex in there. 'tis years since I did it, only a small drop is required. The instructions are on the back of the redex bottle, well they used to be in the days when loads of cars had carbs

JHMEG

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Don't suppose you know if it'd be possible to get rid of the carb in favour of a cone?

No. The carb provides fuel to the engine. A cone is for ice cream.

Midnight_EG

JHMEG wrote: »

No. The carb provides fuel to the engine. A cone is for ice cream.

I meant the filter ya cheeky shite :P

JHMEG

Midnight_EG wrote: »

I meant the filter ya cheeky shite :P

I'm sure it is, if you're willing to mess around with jubilee clips and pipes etc. But for what? 5 less mpg and 0.1 more bhp?

Midnight_EG

JHMEG wrote: »

I'm sure it is, if you're willing to mess around with jubilee clips and pipes etc. But for what? 5 less mpg and 0.1 more bhp?

I would be, and cos I don't like the look of it tbh, and I have a brace at home for the tower struts, but it won't go on thanks to the filter assembly -.-

Gary ITR

It'd be some job to do, don't think I've ever seen a cone filter attached to a carb

JHMEG

Onkle wrote: »

It'd be some job to do, don't think I've ever seen a cone filter attached to a carb

Common enough in American muscle cars

Gary ITR

JHMEG wrote: »

Common enough in American muscle cars

Plenty of room under the bonnet of those guys to run pipes though. On the civic the pipe would have to run vertically and then turn, can't see there being enough room to do that without restricting the airflow

Midnight_EG

Ok lads, it's done it ten or so times today, in the space of 2 hours driving!


Twice on the Naas Road too!

Drummerboy08

I'm not being smart, but in three days of investigating, you cant find the problem.

Time to call in a pro me thinks.

JHMEG

Onkle wrote: »

On the civic the pipe would have to run vertically and then turn,

Plenty of down draught throttle bodies out there with right angle pipes fitted, like this one. (D16Y7 in an EK)

cian1500ww

Change the leads, plugs and check the distributor. Sounds exactly like a problem we had a while back.

philstar

Hey OP, did you fix it ?? was it the carb??