Naming sex offender debate on TV 3

owlite700

Just watching the debate on TV3 about serial sex offenders,its hair raising stuff.
I think there needs to be some sort of garda website to alert people to the movements of these monsters.
The main concern is the release of a suspect in several high profile kidnappings in the carlow area.

Elmo

owlite700 wrote: »

Just watching the debate on TV3 about serial sex offenders,its hair raising stuff.
I think there needs to be some sort of garda website to alert people to the movements of these monsters.
The main concern is the release of a suspect in several high profile kidnappings in the carlow area.

Perhaps I am wrong to thing that an website list wouldn't be used. When you move into a new area do you check out the sex offenders list? The problem with such lists also asks the question when are people taken off the list? And also do Sex Offenders offend in their own areas?

Suspects have to be released they are only suspects until such time that the Gardaí have enough evidence to charge them, I don't know the details of the suspect but you can't intern people. Hopeful if the suspect is charged and will be sent to Trial.

irishh_bob

not often im on the side of wooly liiberal do - gooders but in this instance , i was on the side of the south african doctor rather than the populist rabble rousing tabloid editor , alerting the public to the whereabouts of sex offenders would inevitabley result in vigilante style attacks , the guards need to keep a hawk eye on sex offenders but that is where it should end

owlite700

In my area there is a ex football coach ,who served a sentence (4 years) for abusing 3 young boys.
He is now a landscape gardener .
Would you like him mowing your lawn when your kid is playing football?.
Also a local electrician convicted of possessing child porn , does maintenance in schools in another county. He also put in for planning to open a petting zoo ,he was refused ,thank god.
Statistically, they dont change, its too easy for them to blend back in, a tracking system would keep things right.

irishh_bob

owlite700 wrote: »

In my area there is a ex football coach ,who served a sentence (4 years) for abusing 3 young boys.
He is now a landscape gardener .
Would you like him mowing your lawn when your kid is playing football?.
Also a local electrician convicted of possessing child porn , does maintenance in schools in another county. He also put in for planning to open a petting zoo ,he was refused ,thank god.
Statistically, they dont change, its too easy for them to blend back in, a tracking system would keep things right.

that football coach recieved far too light a sentence , that is a symptom of our wooly liberal system towards criminals , people who are not the full schilling etc but that said , i still dont believe the whereabouts of sex offenders should be known to the public , the potential for vigilantism and mob hysteria is too great

Elmo

owlite700 wrote: »

In my area there is a ex football coach ,who served a sentence (4 years) for abusing 3 young boys.
He is now a landscape gardener .
Would you like him mowing your lawn when your kid is playing football?.
Also a local electrician convicted of possessing child porn , does maintenance in schools in another county. He also put in for planning to open a petting zoo ,he was refused ,thank god.
Statistically, they dont change, its too easy for them to blend back in, a tracking system would keep things right.

You also know who he is, in your area. So the list become redundant in this instant. He should be made to appear at his Garda station and he should have been given a harder sentence. Schools, Hospitals, Sports Centres etc should be made aware (they should make themselves aware) and should really be getting Garda clearance for anyone working in their areas, regardless of if it is just a contractor.

that football coach recieved far too light a sentence , that is a symptom of our wooly liberal system towards criminals

I am quite liberal but often I think it we do have a "wooly" legal system which stems from more conservative view points But then I think the Label Liberal and Conservative are far too often bandied about when you disagree with someone.

gleep

They should NEVER, EVER, EVER be let out of prison. Too many re offend. Their crimes are, IMO, the most evil, damaging and repugnant possible. And before any liberals jump in, have you ever known/loved anyone who has been a victim, listened to their story and seen how it affects their lives?

Didn't think so.

The moral dilemma caused by locking them up for life is a small price to pay for knowing that they will never do it agin.

Elmo

gleep wrote: »

They should NEVER, EVER, EVER be let out of prison. Too many re offend. Their crimes are, IMO, the most evil, damaging and repugnant possible.

That's why stronger sentencing needs to be applied and sentencing that will not be reduced. and Garda checks on such people for the rest of their lives. I do think many should get life sentences when you hear of the numerous heinous crimes that they have committed. And I agree that our laws are far to soft on such crimes.

And before any liberals jump in, have you ever known/loved anyone who has been a victim, listened to their story and seen how it affects their lives?

I don't, but I know I would be very angry, upset and depressed. And I do get these emotions when I hear about these crimes.

gleep

Elmo wrote: »

That's why stronger sentencing needs to be applied and sentencing that will not be reduced. and Garda checks on such people for the rest of their lives. I do think many should get life sentences when you hear of the numerous heinous crimes that they have committed. And I agree that our laws are far to soft on such crimes.



I don't, but I know I would be very angry, upset and depressed. And I do get these emotions when I hear about these crimes.

The only fitting sentence is life. Lock them up, carry them out in a box. The Garda checks, even if very stringent, will only cause them inconvenience, it won't stop them doing, what even "liberals" say, they are mentally programmed/inclined to do. A prison officer's check will do this better.

Getting back to the OP, there should be no list to start with, they should not be allowed in the community.

Elmo

gleep wrote: »

The only fitting sentence is life. Lock them up, carry them out in a box.

Bring back the death penalty so, far cheaper to put them in the box straight away - Its where they are going anyway. If we are going to be conservative about it we may as well go the whole hog.

gleep

"Conservative" or "Liberal" have nowt to do with it. It's about doing what's right.

Here's the question. Who's rights should we be protecting?

a) Convicted sex offenders.
b) Innocent children.

We've tried to do both a + b for years. No-one's found a way, so someone needs to choose.

Personally, I don't agree with the death penalty btw

Elmo

gleep wrote: »

We've tried to do both a + b for years. No-one's found a way, so someone needs to choose.

Unfortunately we haven't, we may have pretended to. We really need to do more to protect Children in a variety of areas.

owlite700

The sentencing is way too low, crimes against kids should be severely punished . Long sentences , hard labour ,get them to fix the countrys roads or something constructive while in jail.
On release they should be tagged for life with the government monitoring theyre movements,
A website with names and photos of SERIOUS offenders would definately save lives .
On a local level its important to keep an eye on suspects, report any suspect activity they may be up to.
When they inflict such pain and suffering,
they should lose all rights, in China the courts would execute them and harvest theyre vital organs for the health system. Very appropriate in my opinion.

flogen

As this is the news/media forum could posters please keep the thread relevant to this area.

In other words this discussion should be about the media's reporting of sex offences & the issue of offender naming rights.

owlite700

"website" = media.

Elmo

owlite700 wrote: »

"website" = media.

I think the board is dedicated to media analysis i.e. Did the debate on TV3 really capture the problems with sex crimes in this country? or Did they just go for a tabloid scary mongering? etc etc not necessarily how the law deals with the problem.

On a local level its important to keep an eye on suspects, report any suspect activity they may be up to.

Also the use of the word suspect is incorrect. Anyone can be a suspect and are innocent until prove guilty. I think you mean offenders should be watched and reported on, otherwise it becomes like Communist Russia.

owlite700

The show raised the point , that our legal system is too naive.
Releasing clearly deranged monsters into an "unsuspecting " public., where they have the anonimity to carry out attacks at the time and place that suits them.The show came to no conclusion ,only that there is no sign of any change in the law any time soon.
Its another nail in the countrys coffin.
The way things are going communist russia aint looking so bad .
No greedy bankers, no priests, a right to a home etc.
Marx had the right idea by the looks of things ,thats me done on this thread.