Why O why do we still support liars!

Biggins

Why O why do we still support liars! Seriously?

That FF muppet that is O'Dea and his two faced lies is just the latests example.
Tonights latest example Dail vote which included ALL the Greens who with ALL the independents who voted (80 to 69) to support FF and O'Dea against a motion of no confidence.
In other words they stood up and were counted to support a man that says one thing on record for a court (and thus the Dail he represents) and to the public and then goes out to the media and thus to the public outside a court building and says something completely different later!

Seriously... what the fcuk is it that the gobschite sheep of this country still support all these useless liars and their supporters!
So can someone explain to me why not just in this case but in many other instances of political and non-political antics, idiots still support scumbags of low or no integrity?

This isn't a political question - its a question of why we still bloody do these stupid acts!

Bonito

'Cause we're all a gullible shower of cúnts

AckwelFoley

meah.

He gets the biggest vote in the country afaik

He'll get it again.

There is more to this story than is in the media. Unfortunatly these things cant be reported as fact.


Aul wille like him or loath him is no idiot

Diabhal Beag

We have a government full of them

chin_grin

Yeah! Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble, do nothing. Rabble rabble rabble. Do more of nothing. Rabble rabble rabble rabble. It really is pointless to get p!ssed off about it unless you're actually going to do something....Something productive. Yeah, and before people get on going "well, why don't you Mr Rabble?".

It's because it's like the essence of complaining. We all do it. We all love it. We don't do anything constructively unified to do anything about it. And don't cite this b*ll*cks of a "plan to get back" namely work to rule. It's not really having any influence is it? (Not a rhetorical question, I'd like to know!).

Now I'm off for a little escapism. Ooooh flashy lights and sugar rushes. Aaaaaah.

Biggins

snyper wrote: »

meah.
He gets the biggest vote in the country afaik
He'll get it again.
There is more to this story than is in the media. Unfortunately these things cant be reported as fact.
Aul wille like him or loath him is no idiot

Again, I'd like to point out, this thread is not about O'Dea in particular.
Its about me asking "why we still support such liars and low calibre muppets?"
What will it take for the sheep to catch on?

Willie O Dea has the best looking fanny tickler I've ever seen

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/boundedtile/2009/0307/1224242448267_1.jpg

kraggy

I thought he lied in court or in an affadavit or something?

Was it just in the Dáil?

Liam Byrne

Well we should be given a list of all the unethic-supporters and given the chance to tell these ****s exactly what we think of them.

Seriously - they reckon they can get away with whatever they damn well like at this stage, and it's probably because of the poll results where some people seemed to forget the damage and the corruption.

I know this sounds bad (because there are families involved) but if that meteorite had hit the Dail last week I would have laughed and celebrated.

I don't know exactly what 1916 was all about, but it certainly wasn't about replacing one set of abusing scum with our own home-grown ones.

galwayrush

Hmm, sad as it sounds, but our elected people must be an 'honest' representation of the people who elect them.:mad:

Keano

You can take my name off that we list.

Alessandra

Because the opposition isn't all that inspiring and Bertie and the good time boys are fondly remembered by some who naively follow on supporting them.

People are stupid. They whinge, moan and petition about inane little topics on Joe Duffy and local radio but when it comes to actual politics they haven't a clue. Other nations wouldn't put up with what is happening in Irish government they would be on the streets. That's Ireland for you.

MIN2511

Stop complaining!

Do something about it!
We always complain, if you don't like the Goverment, change them or better still run in the next election!

Liam Byrne

galwayrush wrote: »

Hmm, sad as it sounds, but our elected people must be an 'honest' representation of the people who elect them.:mad:

Could be true, but unfortunately there was no "none of the above" option on my ballot paper.

Kivaro

The answer is quite simple really:
Provide an alternative to the status quo in Irish politics.

Alessandra

MIN2511 wrote: »

Stop complaining!

Do something about it!
We always complain, if you don't like the Goverment, change them or better still run in the next election!

Ya but although I really want a change of hands, the sad reality is that it could be Enda running the country. I used to think that wasn't so bad but then I realised he hasn't a clue.

Biggins

If this thread just goes down the political route, I ask the mods to lock it.
I'm all for knocking FF but only used the example above to show a latest version of our revolving ethical stupidity.
- Thats all.

Again, why do we still support liars and low calibre fools and not just in the Dail?

AckwelFoley

Biggins wrote: »

Its about me asking "why we still support such liars and low calibre muppets?"

Because you fail to define subjectively "low calibre muppets" & "Liars"

I think that you think that all elected representatives in Government are "low calibre muppets" & "Liars" - if you do i cant take you seriously.

Why? Because i dont believe that its possible to only elect idiots and that the smart people dont get elected.

I dont believe that is possible that FF have all the "low calibre muppets" & "Liars" and that the oppisition parties have what the country needs to save us from ruin

I do know, that people dont have a clue about what it is like to be a politician, whats involved in running a country other than what the red top left wing media tell us

Liam Byrne

snyper wrote: »

I do know, that people dont have a clue about what it is like to be a politician, whats involved in running a country other than what the red top left wing media tell us

Interesting theory.

But here's one flaw : I don't read "red tops", and I can still realise that we have a shower of incompetent muppets, condoners and liars in charge.

Turtyturd

Biggins wrote: »

If this thread just goes down the political route, I ask the mods to lock it.
I'm all for knocking FF but only used the example above to show a latest version of our revolving ethical stupidity.
- Thats all.

Again, why do we still support liars and low calibre fools and not just in the Dail?

Speak for yourself....using those terms could put you on par with an "FF muppet".

AckwelFoley

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Interesting theory.

But here's one flaw : I don't read "red tops", and I can still realise that we have a shower of incompetent muppets, condoners and liars in charge.

..again tarring them all with the one brush.. makes no sence what so ever.

Liam Byrne

snyper wrote: »

..again tarring them all with the one brush.. makes no sence what so ever.

But I didn't "tar them all with the one brush"; they did that themselves by supporting the corrupt, dodgy and incompetent ones.

I judged them on their actions, which I think is perfectly legitimate.

Biggins

Turtyturd wrote: »

Speak for yourself....using those terms could put you on par with an "FF muppet".

Very true - in fact if you read some of my posts, you will note I don't hold myself in such high regard - welcome to the club.

snow ghost

It's for the same reason people used to vote for their local act on You're A Star, no matter how ****e they were and how good the other acts were... misguided cultural allegiance, clannishness, incestious loyalty, the incessant desire to look after egocentric and selfish interests rather than the greater good... call it what you like it's been going on since time immemorable in Ireland and has been augmented in recent years with the onset of rampant celtic-tiger capitalism.

Biggins

snyper wrote: »

I think that you think that all elected representatives in Government are "low calibre muppets" & "Liars" - if you do i cant take you seriously.

I don't. There is people of integrity on all sides but they are swallowed up by the rest sadly.

Separate from that example, I will give you another.
I know a chap who was a close friend - he's not now - who got a girl knocked up, tried to force her to have an abortion (she didn't) and will have nothing to do with his child that has downs syndrome. He's into drugs now and is utterly worthless.
...yet folk still look up to him. I don't get it!

LifesgoodwithLG

:eek:meah meah the sheep will vote again:eek:

tech77

Biggins wrote: »

Why O why do we still support liars! Seriously?

That FF muppet that is O'Dea and his two faced lies is just the latests example.
Tonights latest example Dail vote which included ALL the Greens who with ALL the independents who voted (80 to 69) to support FF and O'Dea against a motion of no confidence.
In other words they stood up and were counted to support a man that says one thing on record for a court (and thus the Dail he represents) and to the public and then goes out to the media and thus to the public outside a court building and says something completely different later!

Seriously... what the fcuk is it that the gobschite sheep of this country still support all these useless liars and their supporters!
So can someone explain to me why not just in this case but in many other instances of political and non-political antics, idiots still support scumbags of low or no integrity?

This isn't a political question - its a question of why we still bloody do these stupid acts!

The Greens are a joke at this stage tbh.
As for the other crowd...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Personally, I don't - I had the option to get out, and I took it.

I know being a politician is being a tricky job, but being honest isn't. I don't think the voters ask for much these days - they've accepted the cuts and reduced servies with good grace - they except at least some lev el of respect and honesty in return. Which, from the current collection, seems to be in short supply.

The frustration lies in the gullibility of the electroate. They vote, get treated like ****, and vote for it again. It takes a change (or at least some high-ranking politicans to be ditched) in order for the rest of them to actually realise that they need to sit up and pay attention.

Or the just slip back into the default position of personal gratification.

deadhead13

The Greens are trying to have it both ways. They voted against the motion and then Dan Boyle Twitters - "Mr. O'Dea's action in swearing a false affidavit was ethically, if not legally, wrong and the Minister should resign." This is becoming a regular occurrence.

Biggins

Speaking of lies...

Did anyone see "Operation Transformation" tonight?
My wife is part of the housewives group.
An RTE crew was dispatched last week for hours to film them (costly!) doing pole dancing to help further lose weight.
What they actually showed tonight was a waste of time (and money), inaccurate and an insult to all their efforts in exercise and strict enforced diets.
They showed a 8/10 second clip of them pole exercising (actually one person falling on the floor), stated they were doing it in Bettystown - even though the camera crew had to actually travel to Greenhills in Drogheda (to film them - and also said they'd just took it up that week to lose weight, when in fact the ladies in the class have being doing it for ages!

Still people will fall for it 'cos we carry on letting others get away with such rubbish!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Biggins wrote: »

Speaking of lies...

Did anyone see "Operation Transformation" tonight?
My wife is part of the housewives group.
An RTE crew was dispatched last week for hours to film them (costly!) doing pole dancing to help further lose weight.
What they actually showed tonight was a waste of time (and money), inaccurate and an insult to all their efforts in exercise and strict enforced diets.
They showed a 8/10 second clip of them pole exercising (actually one person falling on the floor), stated they were doing it in Bettystown - even though the camera crew had to actually travel to Greenhills in Drogheda (to film them - and also said they'd just took it up that week to lose weight, when in fact the ladies in the class have being doing it for ages!

Still people will fall for it 'cos we carry on letting others get away with such rubbish!

Sorry to hear that it didn't live up to expectation. Even if I was still living in Ireland, I wouldn't have a telly at this stage - streaming ftw and all that.

OutlawPete

Biggins wrote: »

Speaking of lies...

Did anyone see "Operation Transformation" tonight?
My wife is part of the housewives group.
An RTE crew was dispatched last week for hours to film them (costly!) doing pole dancing to help further lose weight.
What they actually showed tonight was a waste of time (and money), inaccurate and an insult to all their efforts in exercise and strict enforced diets.
They showed a 8/10 second clip of them pole exercising (actually one person falling on the floor), stated they were doing it in Bettystown - even though the camera crew had to actually travel to Greenhills in Drogheda (to film them - and also said they'd just took it up that week to lose weight, when in fact the ladies in the class have being doing it for ages!

Still people will fall for it 'cos we carry on letting others get away with such rubbish!

Did she get any goss on G Ryan??

Biggins

OutlawPete wrote: »

Did she get any goss on G Ryan??

Aye. she said he should be actually doing the show diets - not preaching just to others. :pac:
He's in no condition to be lecturing.

Agricola

With regard to politicians, we support liars, rogues, cheats, spoofers or whatever you want to call them, because in general these characteristics are actually admired in Ireland. Our attitudes are probably closer to the Italians than the British. If we can elect a "cute hoor" to office, theres a chance he can do something for us, and if in doing so, he fúcks over someone else in the next constituency or takes afew back-handers on the way, well so be it. Fair play to him. Rules are there to be bent and the system is there to played to your advantage.
Im pretty sure this wont have any effect on Willie o Deas electoral clout, in the same way the expenses stuff will actually probably make John O Donohue more popular down in Kerry.

Liam Byrne

Agricola wrote: »

Im pretty sure this wont have any effect on Willie o Deas electoral clout

Nope! He didn't get a vote from me for the last 2 elections, he wasn't getting a vote from me in the next one before this, and he won't be getting one now.

Biggins

Agricola wrote: »

With regard to politicians, we support liars, rogues, cheats, spoofers or whatever you want to call them, because in general these characteristics are actually admired in Ireland. Our attitudes are probably closer to the Italians than the British...

You hit on a good point.
We have adopted the wrong type of attitude to decent people.
Instead of supporting them we seem to more slide for the ones that bend the rules.
While initially for self-interest this might seem a good idea, in the long run we are (in my view) only doing damage to ourselves by allowing values to be wished upheld one minute and down-trodding them in the next.

Tail Wagger

Biggins wrote: »

Why O why do we still support liars! Seriously?


Who supports Them? I certainly didn't vote them in.............:cool:

dsmythy

Biggins wrote: »

That FF muppet that is O'Dea and his two faced lies is just the latests example.
Tonights latest example Dail vote which included ALL the Greens who with ALL the independents who voted (80 to 69) to support FF and O'Dea against a motion of no confidence.

But but but Jackie gets his constituents things! List system ftw.

As for the party formerly known as the green party, they'll get what's coming to them at the next election. Annihilation.

North_West_Art

Biggins

North_West_Art wrote: »

Youtube video above

:pac: I like it. Very good. :pac:

OutlawPete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiHQAqEH4SY

AckwelFoley

Biggins wrote: »

I don't. There is people of integrity on all sides but they are swallowed up by the rest sadly.

Separate from that example, I will give you another.
I know a chap who was a close friend - he's not now - who got a girl knocked up, tried to force her to have an abortion (she didn't) and will have nothing to do with his child that has downs syndrome. He's into drugs now and is utterly worthless.
...yet folk still look up to him. I don't get it!

Your former friend sounds like an asshole.

Some people will judge people on who they are treated bythem and not how they treat others...

Personally, if he were my friend, i would tell him hes an asshole.. an asshole with no spine attached. If my words didnt end our relationship i still woud remain civil to him but probably not as close.

One cant choose your aquaintances by their values, yes i know your case is severe and i certainly dont condone him at all, but i do know a person - an ex.. that would judge people / friends and if she didnt agree with how they conducted them selves she would give them the cold shoulder... she now has no friends..

Its a balance i suppose