Tax book for a mobile crane

bigpaddy2004

I bought a mobile crane about 3 years with the intentions of getting it back going again. I bought it from another guy who owned it for the past 12 years. He in turn brought it over from an auction in the UK, but never bothered with a tax book for it as it was only ever used in a quarry in Tullamore all this time.
But now that I have got it going again and road worthy, I would like to get it insured and tax it. How do i go about getting a tax book for it?

Also he never paid the duty on it when it came over, obviously becuase it was only ever used on the one site over here and never needed to be driven on the road. Would I be subject to paying duty on it now?

I think mobiles cranes are classed as agricultural vehicles. I know for sure that you can run them on green diesel.

Ford4000

Same story as gettin a book for a tractor, ive done it many times, get a garage cert or letter to state its year etc with the chassis and serial no. on the letter, say youve had it a long time and lost the book and you want t get er back on the road again, you will hve to fill out a form rf1 maybe? im not sure and away ya go dunno what it would cost for a crane but its 50quid for a tractor

bigpaddy2004

Thanks,
I have several e-mails from the manufacture of the crane from the time I wanted to find out the history of it . They replied back to me with the serial number everytime along with the date it was manufactured in each e-mail and to whom it was sold. I wonder would this do if I were to print it out?

Silvera

bigpaddy2004 wrote: »

Thanks,
I have several e-mails from the manufacture of the crane from the time I wanted to find out the history of it . They replied back to me with the serial number everytime along with the date it was manufactured in each e-mail and to whom it was sold. I wonder would this do if I were to print it out?

I would reckon that the Tax Office will require a letter on headed paper from the maufacturer (or a vintage club) specifying the relevant date of manufacture, make model etc.

What make is it btw?
I spotted a Muir Hill crane abandonded in Meath a few years ago (which could be seen from the roadside). I'd say its probably still there?!

(NB...the pic title says Enfield...but I'm not 100% it was near Enfield that I saw it. I just recall driving through a small town/village in Co Meath and seeing it approx 3 miles out in a field on the r/h side..near a railway bridge)

Here is a pic I took...

bigpaddy2004

It is a Coles Speedcrane 7/9t model I have:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/tonyonthemoon/Coles-type-4a-speedcrane-database.html

The one I have was bought by the British Navy in 1976 and used on the docks of Portsmouth for most of its life loading and off loading cargo from ships.

That one in enfield is not in bad shape either.

trackcar

AFAIK they are making it law that mobile cranes now need to be DOE tested like trucks, previosly mobile cranes & recovery trucks were exempt from DOE test

bigpaddy2004

trackcar wrote: »

AFAIK they are making it law that mobile cranes now need to be DOE tested like trucks, previosly mobile cranes & recovery trucks were exempt from DOE test

Thanks, you have just made my day

Slidey

AFAIK, it is way way down the track.

I heard mutters of it at the last course I was on but the wheels in the RSA are very very slow to move.

I wouldn't panic just yet.

piddler

trackcar wrote: »

AFAIK they are making it law that mobile cranes now need to be DOE tested like trucks, previosly mobile cranes & recovery trucks were exempt from DOE test

I worked with mobiles for a while and this came up in numerous conversations,
The trouble with it is how to test them the bigger mobiles can weigh up to 100 ton on the road, it'd be a mighty brake tester that'd hold up to that!
Also beening that they are classed as work vechicles you can run them on green:D:D
But if they start testing cranes they'll have to start testing tractors as they're in the same tax class


On a side note any 16 year old with a provo license can drive them on the road but not operate them on site!!

Slidey

Any truck brake tester can take 20 ton on it I would imagine and with those big cranes there would be several axles spreading the load.

Failing that they would just use the decelerometer and do it on the road

piddler

thats true but the problem with the decelerometer is you can't get a detailed report from each axle

One axle could be doing shag all and another all the work

To use a truck tester if it could take the weight you'd need 6 or more to get all the axles off the ground
Thats big dough

trackcar

Mc Nally crane hire have some 8 wheeler Volvo FM's with Liebherr cranes, they are registered as mobile cranes (not trucks), pay cheap road tax and run on green diesel, they have got them DOE tested this year for the first time as I know the lad who had to measure & plate them, he is wondering what will happen when the 1200 tonne comes in for testing with 8 or 9 axles.

Slidey

Insurance companies are getting nervous and are insisting that they certain plant is tested even if it is exempt.

Cold Chon, a bitumen spreading company, test all their trucks and have done so for a long time despite the fact they are exempt too

trackcar

its the same with fire engines & recovery trucks, they were previousaly exempt, but not any more

Slidey

AFAIK fire trucks are still exempt, so is plant.

Those that are being tested are being tested voluntarily.

mrspeedy

piddler wrote: »

I worked with mobiles for a while and this came up in numerous conversations,
The trouble with it is how to test them the bigger mobiles can weigh up to 100 ton on the road, it'd be a mighty brake tester that'd hold up to that!
Also beening that they are classed as work vechicles you can run them on green:D:D
But if they start testing cranes they'll have to start testing tractors as they're in the same tax class


On a side note any 16 year old with a provo license can drive them on the road but not operate them on site!!

it's 21 on the road

DirtyDiesels

Silvera wrote: »

I would reckon that the Tax Office will require a letter on headed paper from the maufacturer (or a vintage club) specifying the relevant date of manufacture, make model etc.

What make is it btw?
I spotted a Muir Hill crane abandonded in Meath a few years ago (which could be seen from the roadside). I'd say its probably still there?!

(NB...the pic title says Enfield...but I'm not 100% it was near Enfield that I saw it. I just recall driving through a small town/village in Co Meath and seeing it approx 3 miles out in a field on the r/h side..near a railway bridge)

Here is a pic I took...

Im pretty sure that muir hill is about a mile outside longwood in co. meath on the road to broadford. Its beside two bridges, 1 for the canal and the other for the railway line.

somefeen

You should be able to tax it as a work vehicle but AFAIK insurance companies will treat them like a HGV.