proof of afterlife?

liamwhite

I know there are mediums ect out there that claim that they have contact with the dead, but ive yet to meet one. Thats not saying that there are no mediums that have the ability, id like to think of myself as a believer BUT the question is that everybody asks is WHAT REAL PROOF IS THERE OF AN AFTER LIFE? I know mediums hate that question because its like saying "yeah well, we dont believe you" its not that i dont believe you, its that i slightly if not greatly doubt many mediums, as i said ive yet to come across one that actualy has the true ability. Again im not saying that there are none out there that do not have the ability, but apart from even mediums what i mean is IN GENERAL is there any actual living proof and i mean hardcore solid proof??! Not hearsay or word of mouth or just stories! I mean physical proof?

Please do notuse this thread to produce an argument by jumping to defence, some may read this wrong and feel that what they feel so strongly about is being questioned, well it is being questioned but not with an intention without manners. I genuinly without being smart would like to know.

ColmDawson

There is no proof of an afterlife, no matter who it is that you're asking.

MrMojoRisin

I think the only sufficient proof of an afterlife that you'll ever find will come from your own first-hand experiences. Whatever you personally believe to be the truth is what matters ultimately. No amount of external validation or substantiation can make you believe something unless it's something you've already experienced yourself. Follow your own instincts.

Personally, I do believe in an afterlife. But to each their own...

bigeasyeah

It depends on the person, as does most things.Even the most emphatic evidence could be derided by a cynic or a skeptic.

Angry Troll

there is no proof…yet i suggest we all just wait for a couple of years or decades and we will see…soon enough anyway…

pookie82

liamwhite wrote: »

what i mean is IN GENERAL is there any actual living proof and i mean hardcore solid proof??! Not hearsay or word of mouth or just stories! I mean physical proof?

No, absolutely none.

Nedermeyer

liamwhite wrote: »

IN GENERAL is there any actual living proof and i mean hardcore solid proof??! Not hearsay or word of mouth or just stories! I mean physical proof?

Not trying to poke fun at the OP, I just thought it was a funny turn of phrase that you were asking for living proof of life after death.

Logan

There's no proof, but it's something thats down to yourself.. I for one do believe in the afterlife and no one can tell me other wise, same for people who don't no one can tell them otherwise.. I'm hoping one day we'll have 100% solid proof but until that day it's down to your own belief.

As they say

For those who believe, no explanation is needed.
For those who don't, no explanation will ever do.

liamwhite

Nedermeyer wrote: »

Not trying to poke fun at the OP, I just thought it was a funny turn of phrase that you were asking for living proof of life after death.

You know what i mean, is there proof from a living person that has done research ect i.e scientists ect, not from somebody that hears a whisper in there head and claim its from somebody in the afterlife.. EH HEM mentaly unbalanced lol

I joke, i would love to believe there is something there, part of me does. But when it comes to after life its like religion, people will believe what they want to believe even if there is no proof. I would take after life more serious than religon to be honest, i know both of them link in someway but i dont believe that we all go up in the sky and awnser to a great big figure at pearly gates. Each to there own beliefs, i believe that we keep on living but without out shells (bodies) kind of like what the buddah followers believe, just wish there was some sort of proof. I suppose im at a time in life were i worry about death. altough its one thing were all guaranteed it would be a nice comfort to know fore sure its not the end. going to take some prozak now lol

bigeasyeah

liamwhite wrote: »

You know what i mean, is there proof from a living person that has done research ect i.e scientists ect, not from somebody that hears a whisper in there head and claim its from somebody in the afterlife.. EH HEM mentaly unbalanced lol

I joke, i would love to believe there is something there, part of me does. But when it comes to after life its like religion, people will believe what they want to believe even if there is no proof. I would take after life more serious than religon to be honest, i know both of them link in someway but i dont believe that we all go up in the sky and awnser to a great big figure at pearly gates. Each to there own beliefs, i believe that we keep on living but without out shells (bodies) kind of like what the buddah followers believe, just wish there was some sort of proof. I suppose im at a time in life were i worry about death. altough its one thing were all guaranteed it would be a nice comfort to know fore sure its not the end. going to take some prozak now lol

Maybe this is could be your inspiration to start research of you own.
You could start by clicking the sticky links in this forum.
I was always interested in the spiricomm experiments,you might find it interesting.

liamwhite

I was just logged off after reading the last post, i hit www.yahoo.com to check my mail and lord behold a big advertisment for the news showed up on yahoo's homepage with this article on it http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2853270/A-pale-young-woman-appears-at-the-window-of-a-ruined-castle-in-a-photo-said-to-show-a-ghost.html i tought it was funny seen as i was questioning proof, now i dont know about anybody else but this has photo shop all over it!

KeithAFC

Its all about what you experience. A lot of people see apparations, poltergiest cases and all sorts of unexplained things. I do believe their is something to it. I think there is far too many closed minds to it.

But then there is a lot of cons (nearly always mediums) who really do damage to geniune paranormal investigators. Shame really.

DANNY22XX

KeithAFC wrote: »

But then there is a lot of cons (nearly always mediums) who really do damage to geniune paranormal investigators. Shame really.

well all i can say is watch this space,,,lol

sambuka41

There is a professor in psychology from Arizona Gary E. Schwartz, who has conducted scientific experiments trying to prove the existence of an afterlife. I have read one of his books The Truth About Medium: Extraordinary Experiments with the real Allison DuBois, was really interesting; got a copy of the book that includes the actual experiments (as former just summarizes) havent finished it but so far id say its worth reading. At least someone is approaching the subject with serious scientific experiments

MrMojoRisin

Sometimes we've had interesting debates over in the Skeptics Corner, before they descended into personal abuse. I have to say I really enjoyed the following debate because it was thought-provoking...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055342458&page=4

There is documented phenomena that remains unexplainable to this day, whether or not that could be called 'paranormal'...

Quantum John

If any of you guys want proof of an afterlife or proof of god or any of that you must first change your mental picture of the afterlife or of god. There is a workshop in dublin on March 12th www.quantumevents.ie/blog/ that is covering this very issue

liamwhite

Quantum John wrote: »

If any of you guys want proof of an afterlife or proof of god or any of that you must first change your mental picture of the afterlife or of god. There is a workshop in dublin on March 12th www.quantumevents.ie/blog/ that is covering this very issue

ill be there

Quantum John

It should be great liamwhite. Can't wait for it myself.

Dave!

Quantum John wrote: »

If any of you guys want proof of an afterlife or proof of god or any of that you must first change your mental picture of the afterlife or of god. There is a workshop in dublin on March 12th www.quantumevents.ie/blog/ that is covering this very issue

For the sake of balance, perhaps people should check out these links about quantum mechanics

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/quantum_quackery/

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=quantum-quackery

http://polyticks.com/psi/novella.htm

In reality, the gap between subatomic quantum effects and large-scale macro systems is too large to bridge. In his book The Unconscious Quantum (Prometheus Books, 1995), University of Colorado physicist Victor Stenger demonstrates that for a system to be described quantum-mechanically, its typical mass (m), speed (v) and distance (d) must be on the order of Planck's constant (h). "If mvd is much greater than h, then the system probably can be treated classically." Stenger computes that the mass of neural transmitter molecules and their speed across the distance of the synapse are about two orders of magnitude too large for quantum effects to be influential. There is no micro-macro connection. Then what the #$*! is going on here?

Okay, Amit, I challenge you to leap out of a 20-story building and consciously choose the experience of passing safely through the ground's tendencies.

Quantum John

It would be great if you came along on the night and put your thoughts to Dr Goswami.

Would you consider doing that?

It would be a welcome contribution to the evening i'm sure.

Dave!

Thanks but unfortunately (well, fortunately for me ) I'll be leaving the country in a week, so couldn't attend !

Perhaps you could present the alternative (ie. conventional scientific) view to Dr Goswami yourself and see what his response is?

Or perhaps someone from the Irish Skeptics would like to attend for same

Doubt they'd be too eager to pay 70 quid for it though :eek:

Quantum John

Thats a pity that you can't go but I will bring up your point with him if I get the chance.

If you would like to go into a little more detail or clarify exactly what your point is that would be great. There was a lot of ambiguity in the quote you gave earlier.

As I understand it, the 70 is for a workshop and the cost of attending the documentary screening and Q&A session is only 20.

NukaCola

Logan wrote: »

For those who believe, no explanation is needed.
For those who don't, no explanation will ever do.

That sums it up IMO.

Quantum John

The secret to understanding this issue is moving away from thinking of an afterlife as some sort of extension of this life.

Clearly our bodies do not live on. Our bodies are solid material governed by classical laws.

However, our consciousness or our mind is a quantum object governed by Quantum laws. Our minds exsist within the realm of sub atomic particles or smaller particles such as quarks and leptons. The properties that apply to the sub atomic world are nothing like our classical laws and therefore people are quick to write them off as pie in the sky.

For instance, the simple observation of a photon of light changes its properties from that of a wave to that of a single particle.

Electrons seem to communicate instantaneously over any distance

Nothing is ever totally right or totally wrong, that is why I am willing to investigate with an open mind.

Luke Kelly

When I was born and saw the light
I was no stranger in this world
Something inscrutable, shapeless, and without word's
Appeared in the form of my mother



So when i die, the same unknown will appear again
As ever known to me ,
And because I love this life
I will love death aswell .

Genghiz Cohen

KingKenny wrote: »

That sums it up IMO.

Except it is completely false.
A competent scientific explanation is all that is required.

Until then;
For those who want to believe, any explanation will do.
For those who don't, a good one is necessary.

loldog

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Except it is completely false.
A competent scientific explanation is all that is required.

Science doesn't reach that far.

.

Genghiz Cohen

loldog wrote: »

Science doesn't reach that far.

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Science reaches everywhere.

loldog

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Science reaches everywhere.

What do you mean by everywhere?

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Kepti

Quantum John wrote: »

For instance, the simple observation of a photon of light changes its properties from that of a wave to that of a single particle.

Minor quibble here, but I believe light is both a wave and a particle simultaneously. There is one experiment that shows light acting as a wave, and another that shows it acting like a particle. That's my understanding of it at least.

Genghiz Cohen

loldog wrote: »

What do you mean by everywhere?

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If it exists there must be some way of detecting it. It's effects have be be seen somewhere.

pimpmyace

as to the medium thing if you look at the questions,

can I ask you please

there is something not to clear

yes I know I know I will ask them now ( I would assume from this statement they were just after having a conversation with the deceased)

but still cant give there full name or ask it,

life after death is a nice notion but I think it was created to help us cope with losing loved ones and to go to our deaths with some sort of peace of mind,

but once the brain shuts down it is truly lights out.

Proxy

There's no such thing as a before-life, so why be so self-important to believe we deserve an after-life?

/thread

/life

pimpmyace

Proxy wrote: »

There's no such thing as a before-life, so why be so self-important to believe we deserve an after-life?

/thread

/life

i think the stuff in your bag and in the ovaries would be before life

even though there is no photo fit

Proxy

Maybe I should edit that to be "consciousness before..."

pimpmyace

Proxy wrote: »

Maybe I should edit that to be "consciousness before..."

for the life or the life givers

Ghost Girl

Sorry - no proof, some one giving you clear messages from a deceased loved one might help you in finding some kind of proof, if they can convince you with what they say.other than that i think you'll be waitin.

dgrump1

Proof of an afterlife....I am living proof there is an afterlife....I take it I am serving out my time in purgatory living in this hell hole called earth...With a legal system for the birds or the dead of brain....a health system that kills you where people are afraid to go into hospital....a work life that takes half my money in tax and the rest handed to a legal system....that you wouldn't recommend to a dog...Yes I've been there.,.it is called peace of mind.....and I want to get back there as soon as possible to that place where I did not have a bag of **** on my head from the minute I wake up..
Signed Going Through the Motions.....

Riamfada

dgrump1 wrote: »

Proof of an afterlife....I am living proof there is an afterlife....I take it I am serving out my time in purgatory living in this hell hole called earth...With a legal system for the birds or the dead of brain....a health system that kills you where people are afraid to go into hospital....a work life that takes half my money in tax and the rest handed to a legal system....that you wouldn't recommend to a dog...Yes I've been there.,.it is called peace of mind.....and I want to get back there as soon as possible to that place where I did not have a bag of **** on my head from the minute I wake up..
Signed Going Through the Motions.....

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KeithAFC

I do believe there is a spirit world, i just don't think mediums are legit and can talk to them but again, that will never be proved. I know there is many people that really do believe they can talk to spirit.

Why am i convinced? Because of my experiances, what has happened to me and no, i ain't stupid or mad. I know exactly what is real and what isn't.

smcgiff

Logan wrote: »

For those who believe, no explanation is needed.
For those who don't, no explanation will ever do.

Assume there are a load of religions that you do not believe in - they can also use the above to justify their beliefs. Doesn't make them any more plausible.

Chriskavo

ColmDawson wrote: »

There is no proof of an afterlife, no matter who it is that you're asking.

Check out the thread I started on Near Death Experiences and watch the video. It certainly opened my eyes to the possibility of consciousness surviving death.

dgrump1

:PI believe there is a spirit world, everytime I have a few drinks I enter it, Its called Paddy Power spirit 70% proof. I admit I often think of entering it, the bottle that is, and hope somebody will throw the bottle into the sea and I will awaken on another planet or an island maybe with a clear head.