Green TD Paul Gogarty's manner

Slideshowbob

Anyone else taking a disliking to Gogarty's way of carrying on?

1. His F***ing outburst to the Labour Party in the Dail a few months back. (Has / will he receive any sanction for this?)

2. In a Dail committee on education the other day he mentioned "some people couldn't be bothered their arse showing up" (was this an attempt to make slang etc. more commonplace to lessen the gavity of his F*** outburst a few months back?)

3. While commenting on Deirdre deBurca's resignation yesterday, he seemed quite ignorant and dismissive.

Am I out of touch, is his carry on acceptable to the people he represents?

I hope such carry on is not deemed sustainable by the Green Party in
general!

Another thing - he never dresses with a tie etc. - is it that he is just too cool for school?

banthebrick

greens= pds in the last government

too spinless to face up to ff. have lost their base just too stay in power.
i don't think they'll disappear like the pds but will get less vote than sinn fein in the next election.
at least gogarty showed a bit of fire. John Gormless has shown no spine and our government has shown no vision.

dvpower

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Am I out of touch, is his carry on acceptable to the people he represents

I don't see what the fuss is.
I thought the outburst against Emmet Stagg was refreshing tbh; reminded me a bit of the Australian parliament where they don't seem to have a problem giving each other dogs abuse.

dvpower

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Another thing - he never dresses with a tie etc. - is it that he is just too cool for school?

Neither do I. I don't like ties. Maybe Paul Gogarty doesn't like ties.

IrishTonyO

I think he is an absolute disgrace and he is one of my local TD's. He says things just for the reaction he knows he will get. He is forever complaining about Fianna Fail and what they have and are doing, yet he keeps them in power. He is not 2 faced to be honest, he is as many faces as seems popular. He preaches one thing and then votes with government for the complete opposite and sees no problem with this. If you want to preach at people you have at least got to live up to your own principles, rather than saying one thing and doing the other. I sent him an email after the Greens decided to go into government with FF, pointing out all the lies he told before the election, and his answer was that as the Green party have not got a majority government, everything said before the election was not relevant. I also mentioned that he was just staying in government for the power, and his response to this was 'What power?' Well GoGo, if you are in government and have no power, with the people you despise, then why bother???

Red_Marauder

Slideshowbob wrote: »

2. In a Dail committee on education the other day he mentioned "some people couldn't be bothered their arse showing up" (was this an attempt to make slang etc. more commonplace to lessen the gavity of his F*** outburst a few months back?)

I thought his exact word was backside? That's how it was quoted on Drivetime but it may have been to protect the delicate listenership!

Mary Wilson would never say arse anyway.

Another thing - he never dresses with a tie etc. - is it that he is just too cool for school?

It's a very minor issue, but yes, this grates on me a little bit.

If you're going to be doing the business of state, I think it is only correct that you dress suitably out of respect for your position, but I appreciate some people would disagree.

evercloserunion

Red_Marauder wrote: »

I thought his exact word was backside? That's how it was quoted on Drivetime but it may have been to protect the delicate listenership!

Mary Wilson would never say arse anyway.

It's a very minor issue, but yes, this grates on me a little bit.

If you're going to be doing the business of state, I think it is only correct that you dress suitably out of respect for your position, but I appreciate some people would disagree.

Well, Tony Gregory never wore a tie. But I think that was genuinely making a statement about the cosy upper class culture in the Dáil which I can respect. I doubt that's Gogarty's thinking somehow.

Scofflaw

While Gogarty is a politician, a thread about how one doesn't like his manners or his dress sense isn't politics.

moderately,
Scofflaw

evercloserunion

Scofflaw wrote: »

While Gogarty is a politician, a thread about how one doesn't like his manners or his dress sense isn't politics.

moderately,
Scofflaw

With respect, if he was trying to make a political statement via his dress sense in the Dáil that would be politics. Surely then discussing whether or not he is doing so is justifiable?

bonerm

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Another thing - he never dresses with a tie etc. - is it that he is just too cool for school?

The late Tony Gregory (famously) didn't wear a tie either. Joe Higgins (often) doesn't wear a tie in public. I'd have more time for both of them than your typical Dáil trough-feeder who is more worried about looking the part than doing their job.

mikom

Green TD

Stopped reading here.

IrishTonyO

mikom wrote: »

Stopped reading here.

well that was helpful thanks for the input

Poor Uncle Tom

mikom wrote: »

Stopped reading here.

Makes just as much sense as a lot of the other comments....

Nodin

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Anyone else taking a disliking to Gogarty's way of carrying on?

1. His F***ing outburst to the Labour Party in the Dail a few months back. (Has / will he receive any sanction for this?)

2. In a Dail committee on education the other day he mentioned "some people couldn't be bothered their arse showing up" (was this an attempt to make slang etc. more commonplace to lessen the gavity of his F*** outburst a few months back?)

3. While commenting on Deirdre deBurca's resignation yesterday, he seemed quite ignorant and dismissive.

Am I out of touch, is his carry on acceptable to the people he represents?

I hope such carry on is not deemed sustainable by the Green Party in
general!

Another thing - he never dresses with a tie etc. - is it that he is just too cool for school?

No problem with any of the above. He does always seem a bit overexcited, but there ye go.....

Pittens

i didnt wear a tiw to the last interview I did last week (weds) and am pretty sure I got the job. They are negotiating offers. The highest ranking interviewer there - a VP - was also not wearing a tie and neither was anyone else. It was a cool company however, and i dressed accordingly.

Pittens

I have no problem with unparliamentary language either. It is what it is. As long as the rest o the sentence structure is coherent who cares ( some people use cursing as a crutch because of in articulacy - you ff'in ffer, would ye ever ff off etc.). Gogary did ok I thought.

squod

Green party = evil, infaltion causing, incinerator building, liars.

The Pontiac

Much better than the likes of Enda Kenny et al. anyway. Gogarty should ask Kenny: "Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite?"

MikeC101

Gogarty has discovered that he likes the attention saying "controversial" things brings him, nothing more than that.

It was depressing to see the amount of people making "Good man Gogarty, you show the government" style comments after his outburst at Stagg (Labour TD), or lauding him for standing up to FF, seemingly without being aware that, Gogarty is in government, and he's supporting FF all the way.

He's found himself in a happy little niche where he can rail against FF, get some airtime, then turn around and vote in support of them, and somehow people don't see the irony.

Who knows, maybe he does have a chance at re-election.

The Pontiac

MikeC101 wrote: »

seemingly without being aware that, Gogarty is in government, and he's supporting FF all the way..

Still doesn't mean he has to support them in all their policies. You really don't have to "support them all the way", just because you're part of the government. I hope it will never become this undemocratic.

MikeC101

<Ollie> wrote: »

Still doesn't mean he has to support them in all their policies. You really don't have to "support them all the way", just because you're part of the government. I hope it will never become this undemocratic.

He's been painting a picture of himself as standing against FF policies, being disgusted with their antics, being strongly opposed to cuts to welfare etc, he's made allusions to FF taking money from developers.

Of course it doesn't mean he has to - but every time that it's mattered - ie, in a vote - he has supported these policies.

I'll judge him on his actions rather than his words. If they disgusted him that much, I'd expect him to stand by his principles.

At the moment he seems to be able to have it both ways - enjoying the benefits of being in power, but deflecting any criticism by raging against his masters.

Sir Gallagher

dvpower wrote: »

I don't see what the fuss is.
I thought the outburst against Emmet Stagg was refreshing tbh; reminded me a bit of the Australian parliament where they don't seem to have a problem giving each other dogs abuse.

That's because Australia is weird.

The Pontiac

MikeC101 wrote: »

Of course it doesn't mean he has to - but every time that it's mattered - ie, in a vote - he has supported these policies..

I wasn't aware that he always voted in favour of their policies, so fair enough.

El Siglo

Gogarty is a knob, he's an attention seeking loud mouth. The greens were always a joke of a party but even still I used to respect them before they went in with FF. When the shit does hit the fan at the next general election, I can see Gogarty leaving the party and playing up on his on self importance and the worst thing is people will vote for him.

squod

El Siglo wrote: »

Gogarty is a knob, he's an attention seeking loud mouth. The greens were always a joke of a party but even still I used to respect them before they went in with FF. When the shit does hit the fan at the next general election, I can see Gogarty leaving the party and playing up on his on self importance and the worst thing is people will vote for him.

No they'll vote for the Harney, FF coalition they always have. The evil greens were just bonus points.

Pittens

Anybody understand the last post?

dambarude

Go Go is a gas ticket...

I heard him on Newstalk the other day. Eamon Keane led into the interview asking him a question. When he was finished asking the question, Gogarty said "Sorry, I'm just after running up the stairs, out of breath", or something like that. So Eamon Keane repeated the question again to give him a breather. How many TDs start interviews like that?

Go Go is like the guy you'd take the p**s of, but would never actually realise you're doing it...

He doesn't seem the full shilling to me...

grenache

dambarude wrote: »

He doesn't seem the full shilling to me...

Well he is a member of The Greens...

Biggins

grenache wrote: »

Well he is a member of The Greens...

:pac: LOL :pac:
I have to say, there has been some classic posts today from folk all over. :pac:

squod wrote: »

No they'll vote for the Harney, FF coalition they always have. The evil greens were just bonus points.

Pittens wrote: »

Anybody understand the last post?

Between FF, the Independents and Harney who FF integrated also, they have enough seats to hold power roughly I think.
(Its late and I haven't counted the actual numbers in my head)
The Greens also signing up with FF was an extra re-assurance for the political mafia in power to affirm their place in government.

Thats my understanding of what squod was also hinting to.
(I'm open to being wrong and the usual plonker that I am )

Jev/N

dvpower wrote: »

reminded me a bit of the Australian parliament where they don't seem to have a problem giving each other dogs abuse.

And a good booting :pac:

Dudess

Doesn't really matter if he doesn't wear a tie.

IrishTonyO

The only place he should wear a tie is wrapped tightly around his big gob

liogairmhordain

Biggins wrote: »

:pac: LOL :pac:
I have to say, there has been some classic posts today from folk all over. :pac:





Between FF, the Independents and Harney who FF integrated also, they have enough seats to hold power roughly I think.

If we assume the 2 by-elections are won by the Opposition (for the sake of argument lets give one each to FG and Lab), the Dail arithmetic will stack up as follows:
Government side 85; Opposition side 80; Ceann Comhairle 1. Total 166.

Government side 85
FF 75, GP 6, Govt-supporting Independents 4 (Harney, Grealish, HealyRae, Lowry)
(NB McDaid, Flynn, Devins and Scanlon all counted as FF)

Opposition side 80
FG 52, Lab 21, SF 4, Opposition Independents 3 (Behan, McGrath, O'Sullivan)

In that circumstance a 'rainbow coalition' of FG, Lab and GP would have 79 seats and could theoretically get a majority with the support of Lowry, Behan, McGrath and O'Sullivan. An election would be much more likely however.

Sea Sharp

I think he's a ponsey attention whore. The fckuk you deputy stagg video was pretty funny though.

Super-Rush

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

I think he's a ponsey attention whore. The fckuk you deputy stagg video was pretty funny though.

Could be worse. He could be one of these thanks whores i keep hearing about.

stovelid

Focussing on the attitude and language of some of our elected representatives is like saying: Hitler: that moustache was just plain uncouth.*

I knew Paul in college years ago. He was a really nice fella: big-hearted and earnest, and as a follow-on of that: often given to over-emotional phrasing and speaking his mind. I'm no supporter of the greens but I'd have 10 of him before some of our crooks we bestow office on.


*/ Godwin brickbat accepted.

The 'unparliamentary language' incident was cringe-inducing. I'm all for passion and commitment from our politicians, but this was merely unconvincing, premeditated, lily-livered name calling.

I'd be disappointed if my 8 year old cousin acted in such a way, never mind one of our elected repesentatives.

Capt'n Midnight

Was about to lash out at how TD's were a waste of money and over paid , on reading the tread title again I'll hold off, unless he actually does have a manor

dsmythy

Anyone who sticks around with the party formerly known as the green party is bad in my book.