Information on getting married in las vegas

dooley319

Hi folks i am planning to get married at the end of the year in Vegas,
Could anyone tell me what legal documents do i need,
As far as i can find out i need to apply to Department of Foreign Affairs for a Certificats de Coutume or certificate of freedom to marry and when i get to Vegas to go to the Clark county office for a marriage license,
Also s the marriage then recognized in Ireland.

thanks

InTheTrees

dooley319 wrote: »

Hi folks i am planning to get married at the end of the year in Vegas,
Could anyone tell me what legal documents do i need,
As far as i can find out i need to apply to Department of Foreign Affairs for a Certificats de Coutume or certificate of freedom to marry and when i get to Vegas to go to the Clark county office for a marriage license,
Also s the marriage then recognized in Ireland.

thanks

Wow. A "certificate of freedom"? From the department of foreign "affairs"?

Kind of cuts out the spontaenity of a drunken 3am marriage doesnt it when some breaucrat in dublin hasnt granted you your Freedom.

I got married in LV about 20 years ago and all it took was a passport. There's an office in the courthouse that deals with the licences and its really easy and quick. I'm sure they'll get a big laugh over the "freedom certificate" and certainly wont require it, thats more for the irish authorities I supose.

You can always check on the Nevada website, there's probably some info there.

InTheTrees

I wasnt very helpful in my last post sorry. I'm no expert in this and I was really suprised by the requirements.

here's some more info I rooted out:

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/birth-family-relationships/getting-married/getting_married_abroad

It seems that any Irish resident needs one of these permits if they want to get married outside Ireland. once the permit is granted the department of fireign affairs forwards a copy to the relevant authorities in the country where the wedding would take place. A lovely oopportunity to create paperwork.

How does the EU human rights commission feel abot this? DO other EU countries do this?

Our man in Havana

What are the implications if someone does not get this certificate of freedom?

InTheTrees

Bond-007 wrote: »

What are the implications if someone does not get this certificate of freedom?

If you get married in the state of Nevada, that is a legal US marriage.

For Nevadans its a personal freedom issue so I cant imagine they'd put any store by some communication from the irish foreign affairs department, in fact its because of such dicates from various authorities that Nevada is so free with its rules.

SO my guess is that if you married and didnt inform the dept of foreign affairs you'd have a marriage that is recognised throughout the world except ireland. Bizzare.

Is it because of the issue of same sex marriages that this whole area has become so complicated? I seem to remember that marriage was one of the few legal procedures that was valid across national borders.

Our man in Havana

SO my guess is that if you married and didnt inform the dept of foreign affairs you'd have a marriage that is recognised throughout the world except ireland. Bizzare.

That already happens due to the crazy foreign divorce recognition laws here.

InTheTrees

Bond-007 wrote: »

That already happens due to the crazy foreign divorce recognition laws here.

LOL, I hadnt thought of that one.

I supose that would be even weirder; To be single all over the world but still married in Ireland.

Would it still be bigamy if you got married again outside ireland and didnt tell the dept of Foreign Affairs?

You could be married all over the world to one spouse and in ireland to another.

dooley319

Thanks for all the help folks.
I'm gonna ring the department of foreign affairs today and see what exactly i need to do to get married in Vegas and have the marriage recognized in Ireland,

seamus

The Irish government do not require you to obtain a "Certificate of Freedom" to get married abroad.

This certificate is only required if the foreign country require it, so unless Nevada law requires you to obtain this cert before getting married, you don't need it.

Details here:
http://www.dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=274

dooley319

seamus wrote: »

The Irish government do not require you to obtain a "Certificate of Freedom" to get married abroad.

This certificate is only required if the foreign country require it, so unless Nevada law requires you to obtain this cert before getting married, you don't need it.

Details here:
http://www.dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=274

yes but from the nevada county clark office

It is suggested that non U.S. citizens check with your local officials for special documents that may be needed to ensure that your marriage will be recognized in your country.

seamus

dooley319 wrote: »

yes but from the nevada county clark office

It is suggested that non U.S. citizens check with your local officials for special documents that may be needed to ensure that your marriage will be recognized in your country.

You don't need a certificate of freedom to have your marriage recognised in Ireland.

Your marriage simply needs to be legal under Irish law in order for it to be recognised here - i.e. you're both overage, not related, never been previously married.

The Cert. of Freedom is not required.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/birth-family-relationships/getting-married/getting_married_abroad

Marriages of Irish citizen(s) abroad are registered in the country where they occur. The General Register Office (central civil repository for records relating to births, deaths and marriages in the Republic of Ireland) has no function in advising on, or the registration of marriages of Irish citizen(s) that take place abroad. Marriages that take place outside the state are not normally registered in Ireland, except in very specific circumstances laid down in Section 2 of the Marriages Act, 1972. This meant only marriages consisting solely of a religious ceremony, conducted in the département of Hautes Pyrénées, France before 1973 between couples where both or either partner was an Irish citizen on the day of the marriage had to be registered in Ireland. All other marriages that take place abroad do not need to be registered in Ireland.

Your foreign marriage certificate will usually be accepted for official purposes in Ireland where you need to show evidence that you are married. If the certificate is in a foreign language, you must provide an official translation or a translation from a recognised translation agency.

Key points in bold. In general, all you have to do is get married legally in the foreign jurisdiction and your marriage is automatically legal here. You don't need to obtain any release from the Irish government unless the foreign county requires it.

dermot_sheehan

The reason the DFA issues the certificate is under private international law a person's capacity to marry is determined by the law of their placeof domicile.

Some countries (civil law ones mostly I believe) require a certificate from the country of domicile that a person is not already married and is free to contract a marraige.

Our man in Havana

I has a general hypothetical question.

Say a person was previously married and obtained a US divorce which was not recognised in Ireland. That person then returned to the US and married again legally. Would the new marriage be recognised here?

seamus

If the previous divorce was not recognised in Ireland, then the second marriage would not be recognised in Ireland. Under Irish law, the first marriage would still apply and be legal.

Our man in Havana

That's madness.

Mr Smithers

Bond-007 wrote: »

That's madness.

I agree. It must cause all manner of silly situations to occur.

I find it farcical that the irish government would refuse to acknowledge a marriage that was lawfully entered into and legal in the US and throughout the world. Surely once the requirements in the US or other foreign state are complied with the Irish government would accept the marriage cert?

seamus

Mr Smithers wrote: »

I agree. It must cause all manner of silly situations to occur.

I find it farcical that the irish government would refuse to acknowledge a marriage that was lawfully entered into and legal in the US and throughout the world. Surely once the requirements in the US or other foreign state are complied with the Irish government would accept the marriage cert?

Well it only specifically applies to Irish residents.

If you obtained the divorce while one or both parties to the divorce were resident in that other state, then the Irish state will recognise that divorce. It will only not recognise the divorce if both parties were resident in Ireland at the time of the divorce.

This is obviously to prevent people from bypassing the Irish divorce system and obtaining quickie divorces overseas.

The sooner we can have another referendum to open up the whole thing, the better.

Our man in Havana

So situations can exist where a person could be considered to be lawfully married to 2 different people at the same time?

I do agree the situation is in need of serious reform.

InTheTrees

seamus wrote: »

If the previous divorce was not recognised in Ireland, then the second marriage would not be recognised in Ireland. Under Irish law, the first marriage would still apply and be legal.

Would it be bigamy?

seamus

InTheTrees wrote: »

Would it be bigamy?

No, because the second marriage would not be legally recognised here. In order to commit bigamy in Ireland you have to get legally married in Ireland and knowingly make a false declaration as to your eligibility to get married. Since the second marriage isn't legal, no bigamy is committed.

You could possibly be charged with bigamy if you attempted to register your second marriage without disclosing the first one, since the first one is legal in Ireland whether or not you register it.

dermot_sheehan

Bond-007 wrote: »

That's madness.

It does happen

http://www.bailii.org/ie/cases/IEHC/2003/633.html

InTheTrees

gabhain7 wrote: »

It does happen

http://www.bailii.org/ie/cases/IEHC/2003/633.html

Fascinating. Thank you.