County panel size thoughts?

parish girl

Fair dues to Davy for extending the panel so much and giving lads plenty of play time. At least it gives us options, which was one of the problems with Justins reign; not enough new players given time and games.

Deise Tom

parish girl wrote: »

Fair dues to Davy for extending the panel so much and giving lads plenty of play time. At least it gives us options, which was one of the problems with Justins reign; not enough new players given time and games.

Fair dues my ass.

Most of the players he has brought in will not come within an asses roar of a place in the league or chanpionship. Having such big numbers in a panel is cribbling most county boards as because of this stupid GPA thing they all have to get milage etc to and from training. The county board have to pay for this some what. Who is going to do this by the genuine fans that hand over money on a regular basis.

Its time that numbers in senior panels at inter county level are severly restricted. 24 is more than enough in any panel. You can only have 15 start any game and put five on in a game. Having big numbers in a panel just to make up numbers is stupid.

premierstone

Deise Tom wrote: »

Its time that numbers in senior panels at inter county level are severly restricted. 24 is more than enough in any panel. You can only have 15 start any game and put five on in a game. Having big numbers in a panel just to make up numbers is stupid.

Ah here Tom 24 players on a closed panel is nowhere near enough, 20 players are used in each championship game, then you have suspensions, injuries, loss of form. Also there are many specialist positions on a hurling team and your sub in that position e.g. Goalkeeper, Full-Back etc are unlikely to be of the required standard in any other position tbh with the demands of the modern game 30 players (2 for each position) is only barely enough.

And also alot of training would be meaning less without been able to have 15 v 15.

Deise Tom

premierstone wrote: »

Ah here Tom 24 players on a closed panel is nowhere near enough, 20 players are used in each championship game, then you have suspensions, injuries, loss of form. Also there are many specialist positions on a hurling team and your sub in that position e.g. Goalkeeper, Full-Back etc are unlikely to be of the required standard in any other position tbh with the demands of the modern game 30 players (2 for each position) is only barely enough.

And also alot of training would be meaning less without been able to have 15 v 15.

There is nothing to stop a coach from bringing in players for training to play 15 a side etc at training but they would not be part of a panel and could come from clubs around where the training session will take place. Anyway, when the restricted numbers WILL come in sooner rather than later, Croke Park will also introduce Squad Numbers and Counties will only be allowed to register a said amount of players like Clubs are in the Champions League which i think is restricted to 25 players.

Daysha

Deise Tom wrote: »

Fair dues my ass.

Most of the players he has brought in will not come within an asses roar of a place in the league or chanpionship. Having such big numbers in a panel is cribbling most county boards as because of this stupid GPA thing they all have to get milage etc to and from training. The county board have to pay for this some what. Who is going to do this by the genuine fans that hand over money on a regular basis.

Its time that numbers in senior panels at inter county level are severly restricted. 24 is more than enough in any panel. You can only have 15 start any game and put five on in a game. Having big numbers in a panel just to make up numbers is stupid.

Tom we currently have the best crop of young players in this county since 1992. I am absolutely 100% confident that guys like Stephen O'Keeffe, Martin O'Neill, Philip Mahony and Maurice Shanahan will go on to be very important players for us in the future. Because the main backbone of our starting XV isn't exactly the youngest in the world, it would've been absolutely criminal not to give these fellas some game-time these last two months.

While only a handful of them will probably make the C'ship panel this year, Davy's already justified his policy when you see the performances like Baby Shan or O'Neill have put in during the WC Cup. They're not the first as well, Noel Connors really impressed during the pre-season tournaments and the league last year because he was getting games ahead of the older guys, and now he's easily the best no.4 in the county. The other younger lads will have gained huge experience from the recent matches and that will stand to them in the future, no doubt.

Also, regardless of what sport it is, the minimum any team requires on a panel of players is double the number of starting players in a match. That's why nearly ever major soccer club in the world has a panel of at least 22 players, 2 players for each position. The same applies for rugby (44 players were named in the Irish squad for the 6 Nations), and nearly any other major team sport around. 30 is about right for a Championship squad imo, even with the added specialist positions like PS mentioned earlier.

premierstone

Deise Tom wrote: »

There is nothing to stop a coach from bringing in players for training to play 15 a side etc at training but they would not be part of a panel and could come from clubs around where the training session will take place. Anyway, when the restricted numbers WILL come in sooner rather than later, Croke Park will also introduce Squad Numbers and Counties will only be allowed to register a said amount of players like Clubs are in the Champions League which i think is restricted to 25 players.

Champions league is restricted to 25 and you can change 3 half way through, so thats effectively 28 for an 11 a side game which is comparable to a squad of 36 plus for GAA.

Bringing players in just for 15 a side games is of little benefit especially if said players know its a closed panel and they're merely making up the numbers, I would agree with you that match day panels should be restriced to somewhere in the 22-24 region but for the training panel you need a minimum of 30 imo.

Daysha

Just FYI, on request the above 6 posts have been copied into this new thread as it concerns GAA matters as a whole and not just one particular county.

So what do you think with regards to panel sizes for county teams? Do you think 30 is too much, too little, just about right?

MementoMori

I think a panel of 30 is about right, if maybe a bit small at this time of year given the need for experimentation, to giveg new prospects a chance, cover injuries, players needing a rest.

I reckon if you have a training panel of 30 then you should definately have a match panel of 30 - otherwise you're just needlessly setting up players who contribute in training for hurt. Where exactly is the harm of allowing lads who are just slightly below the level of inter-county players sitting on the sideline?

If it is decided that squads must be named, then there's only a tiny chance of it being 24 as opposed to 30 players.

Also paying expenses to inter-county players is hardly going to bankrupt the GAA. I really don't think many fans would have that much of a problem contributing to allow those players who would be 30-24 in any county panel sit on the subs bench.

Mr. Incognito

Kilkenny and Kerry have expressed difficulty cutting panel sizes down as they are always trying to bring through young fellas underage, getting them used to the training set up and intensity and for the older players to see this talent coming through and feel threatened enough to raise their game.

Says it all really.

Micko in Wicklow doubled the size of the panel and fellas training when he got there. Look at the difference when they used have a hard time filling the bench for county games.

Counties with small panels do poorly. It's simple math.

Deise Tom

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Kilkenny and Kerry have expressed difficulty cutting panel sizes down as they are always trying to bring through young fellas underage, getting them used to the training set up and intensity and for the older players to see this talent coming through and feel threatened enough to raise their game.

Says it all really.

Micko in Wicklow doubled the size of the panel and fellas training when he got there. Look at the difference when they used have a hard time filling the bench for county games.

Counties with small panels do poorly. It's simple math.

I think panel numbers mean alot in places like Kerry. It was not all that long ago when their captain lost his place for the All-Ireland final and even missed out on been named on the sheet to be given to the referee before the game and as a result he did not get an official medal. Would i be right in saying that in Kery if you are not getting an official medal you dont get a replica.

Mr. Incognito

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Who was that?

Last year- Darren O'Sullivan

06 & 07- Declan O Sullivan

04 - Dara O Cinneide

00- Seamus Moynihan

Don't remember that happening. There is an instance of Paul Galvin who was banned but Kerry didn't win that year and he played in the final anyway.

MementoMori

Deise Tom wrote: »

I think panel numbers mean alot in places like Kerry. It was not all that long ago when their captain lost his place for the All-Ireland final and even missed out on been named on the sheet to be given to the referee before the game and as a result he did not get an official medal. Would i be right in saying that in Kery if you are not getting an official medal you dont get a replica.

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

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Who was that?

Last year- Darren O'Sullivan

06 & 07- Declan O Sullivan

04 - Dara O Cinneide

00- Seamus Moynihan

Don't remember that happening. There is an instance of Paul Galvin who was banned but Kerry didn't win that year and he played in the final anyway.

I think he's probably referring to the issue relating to Jack dropping Eoin Brosnan and replacing him with Declan O'Sullivan in the starting line-up for the 2006 final. Came on as a sub and scxored 1-1 in the end. This was a captaincy issue as opposed to a squad size issue though and Eoin still got an offical medal afaik.

Deise Tom

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

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Who was that?

Last year- Darren O'Sullivan

06 & 07- Declan O Sullivan

04 - Dara O Cinneide

00- Seamus Moynihan

Don't remember that happening. There is an instance of Paul Galvin who was banned but Kerry didn't win that year and he played in the final anyway.

The year one of the Hassetts was captain.

Mr. Incognito

Liam Hasset was captain in 97.

His brother Mike used play and Mike Frank Russell, were all Laune Rangers.

He had his leg broken in that game against Mayo if i'm not mistaken when he accidently clashed with Maurice Fitz and as such didn't go up to receive the cup but he started alright and then woke up in hospital

cornerboy

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Kilkenny and Kerry have expressed difficulty cutting panel sizes down as they are always trying to bring through young fellas underage, getting them used to the training set up and intensity and for the older players to see this talent coming through and feel threatened enough to raise their game.

Says it all really.

Micko in Wicklow doubled the size of the panel and fellas training when he got there. Look at the difference when they used have a hard time filling the bench for county games.

Counties with small panels do poorly. It's simple math.

Does anyone have a view on what bigger county panels does to the clubs of that county or does anyone care. Is the GAA now only intercounty. KK dont have a huge panel but Cody does bring in promising young players to take part in some training sessions without being part of the official panel. This gives them experience of the county setup but they are then allowed back to their clubs to develop further.

homerjay2005

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Liam Hasset was captain in 97.

His brother Mike used play and Mike Frank Russell, were all Laune Rangers.

He had his leg broken in that game against Mayo if i'm not mistaken when he accidently clashed with Maurice Fitz and as such didn't go up to receive the cup but he started alright and then woke up in hospital

It was Billy O Shea that broke his leg in that game. what happened was -

Mike was captain for the league and for Munster. Got injured and lost his place. Was on the panel of 24, but Kerry used 21 different players in the semi and the final and only got 21 medals. mike and 2 other lads missed out...

He got his rewards in 2000 when he came back to the panel and claimed his medal.

Clareman

The more the merrier I say, you can make arguements that you should have 30, 2 players in each position and enough to have a full game, but then what would happen if there's an injury? You can say 24 cause that's the match day, 28 cause that's the same as the Champions League.

The way I see it is that counties are having 2/3 squads training together this time of the year, that being some of the under 21s that aren't playing colleges, some of the guys between under 21 and senior (i.e. just not quite good enough, call it development) and the senior squad, come the championship then it's down to the main squad and the "fringe" players can go train with their clubs.