European Deepstack - My Verdict & Some Thoughts!!

ukpoker

All,

Having attended the European Deepstack tournament this past weekend may I first of all congratulate ALL the staff on duty there that made this event one of the most impressive poker tournaments I have had the pleasure to attend in my time here living in Ireland.

From Thursday evening though to Sunday night the atmosphere was terrific and I enjoyed the company of many frenchmen (lol) at the tables and even though for most of the time it was a case of 'spot the native english speaker', the rappore was great and the organisation very good despite the numbers of people involved.

Fair kudos goes to all the dealers who, I thought, did a magnificent job and seemed well organised and mainly on-the-ball with rulings and controlling the pots etc.

Having said all of that there are a couple of points I'd like to mention along with remedies for possible inclusion for next years event!

The satellite event!

Whilst in one breath you could say that it was a tremendous success you'd have to use the next breathe to say it was a bit of a shambles.

The idea of a satellite, in my eyes anyway, is to give those unfortunate people who hadn't already purchased a seat for the main event, i.e me, a chance to pay a relatively small entry fee, in comparison to the price of a main-event ticket, and have a chance of being one of several people lucky enough to play your way through to getting a seat given that the number of seats available should equal that of the prize pool generated!

Having generated a prize-pool of 55 and a bit seats you'd have thought that there were 55 seats available for the lucky players to grab but some bright spark in the organization department had only set aside 15 for this event meaning that if you then were still in need of a seat then you had to contine playing until there were 15 players left and at the speed the antes were going that would take until almost 6am!

So in my eyes the other 40 seats worth of winnings were entirely unneccesary! (Although I WAS grateful that I finished 33rd and got €550 for the pleasure)

Problem 2 was the length of the blinds! As I just mentioned it was almost 6am when the final 15 seats were awarded. That meant these 'lucky' players had barely a few hours kip till they were required to start the main-event at 2pm the following afternoon! Again bad planning! The blind levels at 25 mins were TOO long!

Problem 3 was that it was a rebuy event which meant that the number of chips in play was substancial and again added to the time taken to play. Another poor choice by the organisers!

Ok...so having said all of that my proposal to the organisers for next years event is simple...

1. Restrict the number of entries to the number of satellite seats ACTUALLY available for the main event.

2. Blind levels should be 20 mins max. Start at 8 and it'll be over by 3!

3. Make the satellite a FREEZEOUT of say €100+entry fee.

e.g

5k start stack @ 275 runners

1.375 million chips in play

€100 buy-in + 20 min clock = 50 seats

Blind structure as follows...

1 25 50 8.00
2 50 100 8.20
3 100 200 8.40
4 150 300 25 9.00
5 200 400 25 9.20
6 300 600 50 9.40
7 400 800 50 10.00 25's out
8 600 1200 100 10.40
9 800 1600 100 11.00
10 1000 2000 200 11.20
11 1500 3000 200 11.40
12 2000 4000 300 12.00
13 2500 5000 300 12.20
14 3000 6000 400 12.40
15 4000 8000 400 1.00 100's out
16 6000 12000 500 1.40
17 8000 16000 500 2.00
18 10000 20000 1000 2.20
19 15000 30000 1000 2.40
20 30000 60000 2000 3.00
21 40000 80000 2000 3.20 500's & 1000's out
22 50000 100000 5000 4.00
23 75000 150000 5000 4.20
24 100000 200000 1000 4.40
25 150000 300000 1000 5.00
26 200000 400000 20000 5.20

The Main event

I wasn't fortunate enough to play in this event but looking forward to next year, and the thought of 1000 runners, I'd like to suggest the following...

1. Have 2 day 1's allowing a total of 1000 runners to play.

2. Scrap the 90 minute levels.

3. Days play should start at 12 noon. and consist of 12 1 hour levels.

With 1000 runners @ 50k chip stack to start a suggested blinds would be:

1 50 100 12.00
2 100 200 1.00
3 150 300 25 2.15
4 200 400 25 3.15
5 300 600 50 4.30
6 400 800 50 5.30 25's out of play
7 600 1200 100 7.30
8 800 1600 100 8.30
9 1000 2000 200 9.45
10 1500 3000 200 10.45
11 2000 4000 300 12.00
12 2500 5000 300 1.00
13 3000 6000 400 12.00
14 4000 8000 400 1.00
15 5000 1000 500 2.15
16 7500 15000 500 3.15 100's & 500's out of play
17 10000 20000 1000 4.45
18 15000 30000 1000 5.45
19 20000 40000 2000 7.45
20 25000 50000 2000 8.45
21 30000 60000 3000 10.00
22 35000 70000 3000 11.00
23 40000 80000 4000 12.15
24 45000 90000 4000 1.15
25 50000 100000 5000 12.00
26 60000 120000 6000 1.00
27 80000 160000 7000 2.15
28 100000 200000 8000 3.15
29 150000 300000 9000 4.30
30 200000 400000 10000 5.30 1000's & 5000's out of play
31 300000 600000 15000 7.30
32 400000 800000 20000 8.30
33 500000 1000000 30000 9.45
34 750000 1500000 40000 10.45
35 1000000 2000000 50000 12.00
36 2000000 4000000 100000 1.00

I'm sure the contents of this email will be debated but we all want the same thing and that is a truly wonderful few days of poker where we can all participate and have a great time doing it.

Oh...and by the way...can you book a hotel with some heating and remote controls for the tv's...for clampers sake!

mdwexford

So you think dropping a load of levels and shortening the clock will result in a better structure?

fl&sh

i have the answer to your question,just reg before it fills next time:D

as for the main event starting at 12noon......ARE YOU MAD:eek:

the only complaint i'd have over the whole event was that the room was to small for the amount of players that were their when all the tables were occupied.the heat was unbareable at times so hopefully that will be addressed next year and apart from the donkey in the cash game on thursday nght the weekend was good.

our remote didn't work either for what its worth;)

:cool:

The Clamper

didnt reg on time for this event and so it was sold out ,,my fault entirely

the only available tickets were the 15 only to be won in the mega sat
man that was hard work and an all nighter, went on until 05:30 before i nailed a ticket
272 players chased it and man i saw some terrible play and some amazing by the french (sarcasm)

i was exhausted by the start of day one and wont be making that mistake again, struggled through day one and finally caught some shut eye

mind you the room was a laugh, i had made the silly error of not being very specific when getting thye Non smoking room
i forgot to mention that I would like a TV that worked, a remote for the T V to actually be in the room and that the phone was to be working
having been moved, after i apologised for these errors in my original request
i then had to be even more specific and ring down for a remote for the TV that actually worked the TV

day 2, started well, doubled and redoubled,
unfortunately its very hard to legislate for playing French degens, apart from actuall showing the guy my Ace high flush, when he hadnt a club, he simply had to call on the river in the hope of catching a house

apart from that, great weekend, will deffo book early next time and avoid the hard graft of a super mega sat
though its a very cheap way to get in, if you have the stamina for it, which i dont

the structure good in my view


Vive Le Irish

ps, why dont you run your own tournament next time, you seem to have everything sussed
or
send the lads your email so they can consult you before advertising another tournament so they can benefit from the experience you have at running these

charlesanto

This man talks sense, IMHO

ukpoker wrote: »

All,

Having attended the European Deepstack tournament this past weekend may I first of all congratulate ALL the staff on duty there that made this event one of the most impressive poker tournaments I have had the pleasure to attend in my time here living in Ireland.

From Thursday evening though to Sunday night the atmosphere was terrific and I enjoyed the company of many frenchmen (lol) at the tables and even though for most of the time it was a case of 'spot the native english speaker', the rappore was great and the organisation very good despite the numbers of people involved.

Fair kudos goes to all the dealers who, I thought, did a magnificent job and seemed well organised and mainly on-the-ball with rulings and controlling the pots etc.

Having said all of that there are a couple of points I'd like to mention along with remedies for possible inclusion for next years event!

The satellite event!

Whilst in one breath you could say that it was a tremendous success you'd have to use the next breathe to say it was a bit of a shambles.

The idea of a satellite, in my eyes anyway, is to give those unfortunate people who hadn't already purchased a seat for the main event, i.e me, a chance to pay a relatively small entry fee, in comparison to the price of a main-event ticket, and have a chance of being one of several people lucky enough to play your way through to getting a seat given that the number of seats available should equal that of the prize pool generated!

Having generated a prize-pool of 55 and a bit seats you'd have thought that there were 55 seats available for the lucky players to grab but some bright spark in the organization department had only set aside 15 for this event meaning that if you then were still in need of a seat then you had to contine playing until there were 15 players left and at the speed the antes were going that would take until almost 6am!

So in my eyes the other 40 seats worth of winnings were entirely unneccesary! (Although I WAS grateful that I finished 33rd and got €550 for the pleasure)

Problem 2 was the length of the blinds! As I just mentioned it was almost 6am when the final 15 seats were awarded. That meant these 'lucky' players had barely a few hours kip till they were required to start the main-event at 2pm the following afternoon! Again bad planning! The blind levels at 25 mins were TOO long!

Problem 3 was that it was a rebuy event which meant that the number of chips in play was substancial and again added to the time taken to play. Another poor choice by the organisers!

Ok...so having said all of that my proposal to the organisers for next years event is simple...

1. Restrict the number of entries to the number of satellite seats ACTUALLY available for the main event.

2. Blind levels should be 20 mins max. Start at 8 and it'll be over by 3!

3. Make the satellite a FREEZEOUT of say €100+entry fee.

e.g

5k start stack @ 275 runners

1.375 million chips in play

€100 buy-in + 20 min clock = 50 seats

Blind structure as follows...

1 25 50 8.00
2 50 100 8.20
3 100 200 8.40
4 150 300 25 9.00
5 200 400 25 9.20
6 300 600 50 9.40
7 400 800 50 10.00 25's out
8 600 1200 100 10.40
9 800 1600 100 11.00
10 1000 2000 200 11.20
11 1500 3000 200 11.40
12 2000 4000 300 12.00
13 2500 5000 300 12.20
14 3000 6000 400 12.40
15 4000 8000 400 1.00 100's out
16 6000 12000 500 1.40
17 8000 16000 500 2.00
18 10000 20000 1000 2.20
19 15000 30000 1000 2.40
20 30000 60000 2000 3.00
21 40000 80000 2000 3.20 500's & 1000's out
22 50000 100000 5000 4.00
23 75000 150000 5000 4.20
24 100000 200000 1000 4.40
25 150000 300000 1000 5.00
26 200000 400000 20000 5.20

The Main event

I wasn't fortunate enough to play in this event but looking forward to next year, and the thought of 1000 runners, I'd like to suggest the following...

1. Have 2 day 1's allowing a total of 1000 runners to play.

2. Scrap the 90 minute levels.

3. Days play should start at 12 noon. and consist of 12 1 hour levels.

With 1000 runners @ 50k chip stack to start a suggested blinds would be:

1 50 100 12.00
2 100 200 1.00
3 150 300 25 2.15
4 200 400 25 3.15
5 300 600 50 4.30
6 400 800 50 5.30 25's out of play
7 600 1200 100 7.30
8 800 1600 100 8.30
9 1000 2000 200 9.45
10 1500 3000 200 10.45
11 2000 4000 300 12.00
12 2500 5000 300 1.00
13 3000 6000 400 12.00
14 4000 8000 400 1.00
15 5000 1000 500 2.15
16 7500 15000 500 3.15 100's & 500's out of play
17 10000 20000 1000 4.45
18 15000 30000 1000 5.45
19 20000 40000 2000 7.45
20 25000 50000 2000 8.45
21 30000 60000 3000 10.00
22 35000 70000 3000 11.00
23 40000 80000 4000 12.15
24 45000 90000 4000 1.15
25 50000 100000 5000 12.00
26 60000 120000 6000 1.00
27 80000 160000 7000 2.15
28 100000 200000 8000 3.15
29 150000 300000 9000 4.30
30 200000 400000 10000 5.30 1000's & 5000's out of play
31 300000 600000 15000 7.30
32 400000 800000 20000 8.30
33 500000 1000000 30000 9.45
34 750000 1500000 40000 10.45
35 1000000 2000000 50000 12.00
36 2000000 4000000 100000 1.00

I'm sure the contents of this email will be debated but we all want the same thing and that is a truly wonderful few days of poker where we can all participate and have a great time doing it.

Oh...and by the way...can you book a hotel with some heating and remote controls for the tv's...for clampers sake!

Edit To Say...
Lots of inflection spikes is better fun, and a better test of poker.

Maddogg

My suggestion..............
i wasnt there but dont have it the same weekend as another large tourney that dragged 750 plus irish poker players too

i know it was a IPPT (pub poker players) but it did drag alot of half decent irish players away from this event (me included ) hence the reason there was not as many irish there.....

ghostface ste

ukpoker wrote: »

1. Have 2 day 1's allowing a total of 1000 runners to play.

2. Scrap the 90 minute levels.

3. Days play should start at 12 noon. and consist of 12 1 hour levels.

With 1000 runners @ 50k chip stack to start a suggested blinds would be:

1 50 100 12.00
2 100 200 1.00
3 150 300 25 2.15
4 200 400 25 3.15
5 300 600 50 4.30
6 400 800 50 5.30 25's out of play
7 600 1200 100 7.30
8 800 1600 100 8.30
9 1000 2000 200 9.45
10 1500 3000 200 10.45
11 2000 4000 300 12.00
12 2500 5000 300 1.00
13 3000 6000 400 12.00
14 4000 8000 400 1.00
15 5000 1000 500 2.15
16 7500 15000 500 3.15 100's & 500's out of play
17 10000 20000 1000 4.45
18 15000 30000 1000 5.45
19 20000 40000 2000 7.45
20 25000 50000 2000 8.45
21 30000 60000 3000 10.00
22 35000 70000 3000 11.00
23 40000 80000 4000 12.15
24 45000 90000 4000 1.15
25 50000 100000 5000 12.00
26 60000 120000 6000 1.00
27 80000 160000 7000 2.15
28 100000 200000 8000 3.15
29 150000 300000 9000 4.30
30 200000 400000 10000 5.30 1000's & 5000's out of play
31 300000 600000 15000 7.30
32 400000 800000 20000 8.30
33 500000 1000000 30000 9.45
34 750000 1500000 40000 10.45
35 1000000 2000000 50000 12.00
36 2000000 4000000 100000 1.00

Why would you get rid of the 90 minute levels???? Makes no sense. That structure is pretty bad and the existing one works much better. And it was announced that there will be 2 day 1's next year followed by 2 days of play

JP Poker

Maddogg wrote: »

My suggestion..............
i wasnt there but dont have it the same weekend as another large tourney that dragged 750 plus irish poker players too

i know it was a IPPT (pub poker players) but it did drag alot of half decent irish players away from this event (me included ) hence the reason there was not as many irish there.....

To be fair the European Deepstack Championship has been on the same weekend for the last 2 years and was announced again for this weekend in October, long before the other game in Killaraney was announced!

JP Poker

I'd like to thank everyone involved who made last weekend such a great success.

All the players who traveled far and near.
Mike & Brian from GJP & Chili Poker who helped bring such a great event together.
All the dealers & floor staff who worked crazy hours over the weekend.

westlife2010

Well done Brian, Mike and JP for a well run event. Shamefully scoffed at the idea of a supermarket situated in the middle of a hotel. But after 3 days it was my favorite part of the venue! To be able to go and purchase large bottles of water for a €1 and all the nibblets at their proper prices was refreshing.
On some of the comments. Yes, the sat was a marathon, but would you prefere a crapshoot? If it was badly structured there would be posts complaining it was no value. Everybody was pre warned there was only 15 tickets up for grabs irrespective of how many runners they got, so there is no point moaning about this. It was fully transparant. And please please please leave the the percentages at: French & Belgium 70%, German & Austrian 20% and Irish 10%! Why oh why would you go to any other tournament in Ireland when there is so much value in this one! GJP NEVER CHANGE IT! I think the main problem was that, as we Irish do, when we were told it was getting sold out we thought "bull****" and there would be lots of tickets. It is our own fault for not getting in there early enough. Enjoyed meeting some of the foreign lads and its great to see it's not only the Irish that makes tits of themselves with drink and poker!

Hot-Rod

Just recovered from the weekend, and what a weekend it was. Played in the main event, very well run, all the dealers were excellant, only down side was the french players constantly talking in french after they had been warned constantly. Oh and the heat in the main room on day 1 was a bit hot to say the least.

Couldnt get over how few irish there was at this event. The 1st table i was at had 9 french speaker and me, i was rubbing my hands with joy, easy chips. You would have swore our table was a turbo the way the chips were flying in during the 1st level, 3 frogs were crippled down to below 15% of their starting stacks after 20 mins. We lost one french muppet near the end of the 1st level, who was replaced by one player who definity isnt a muppet, Jason Tompkins (very impressed with some of his moves and reads he made). At least i had someone to chat in english too. The rest of day 1 was a grind for me, stealing a few pots here and there, just ticking over, while the french fish just keep dumping their chips to Jason.

Day 2 started off great trebled up by the end of the 1st level, which allowed me to play a bit. After about another 2 levels the blinds started to kick in for the majority of our table, it became a case of all in nearly every hand. I lost 3 coins flips to short stacks in a row which crippled me back down to roughly 10bb. Got a bit lucky when i pushed with 33 got 2 callers, 3 on the flop saved the day for another while. Eventually went out when i picked up AKs on button, raise 3bb, bb push all in who just covered me. Called he turned over the laddies, q on the flop sealed my faith for another yr.

Cash tables were mental to say the least, plenty of action happening on the friday nite especially.

Well done to Jason Tomkpins and Doke for making the final table, plus another board poster (Jamie Carra) Gerard Harraghy who came 10th.

johnfk

Any chance of posting the final results when you have some time please JP?

rekoJ

All Results can be found here:

http://www.europeandeepstackpoker.com/results.html

Brian.

The Clamper

the only real complaint i have is that there is only one of these a year

once every 6 months would be better

reckon they would both sell out

my tuppence worth, thats all

derek

its a bit like a fella with a drinking problem, 2 hands and only 1 mouth