Vaccines causing Autism?

Truthrevolution

Heres a news article which really looks into the link between vaccines and autism, i urge everyone to read it and its subsequent links.Dr Andrew Wakefield has been studying and doing lab tests on vaccines now for the last couple of years with startling results.The pro-vaccine cabal have been trying to silence his claims and now discredit them.The issue is being backed up by celebrities Jim Carey and Jenny mcCarthy so its not just an article by some "nutcase" conspiracy theorist.

http://www.naturalnews.com/028109_Andrew_Wakefield_Jenny_McCarthy.html

Yeah, he fixed data and misreported results. What a guy :rolleyes:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683671.ece

Undergod

Truthrevolution wrote: »

Heres a news article which really looks into the link between vaccines and autism, i urge everyone to read it and its subsequent links.Dr Andrew Wakefield has been studying and doing lab tests on vaccines now for the last couple of years with startling results.The pro-vaccine cabal have been trying to silence his claims and now discredit them.The issue is being backed up by celebrities Jim Carey and Jenny mcCarthy so its not just an article by some "nutcase" conspiracy theorist.

http://www.naturalnews.com/028109_Andrew_Wakefield_Jenny_McCarthy.html

The Lancet begs to differ. The main author, Wakefield, was in the pay of rival vaccine comapnies, and ten of the other authors retracted their conclusion of a link between MMR and autism in 2004. The Lancet recently issued a full retraction of the entire article, because Wakefield had falsified data. I like how the naturalnews article doesn't mention that Wakefield had filed applications for a vaccine of his own.

http://briandeer.com/mmr-lancet.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15016483
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2810%2960175-7/fulltext
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/health/8493753.stm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683671.ece

mike65

Truthrevolution wrote: »

Heres a news article which really looks into the link between vaccines and autism, i urge everyone to read it and its subsequent links.Dr Andrew Wakefield has been studying and doing lab tests on vaccines now for the last couple of years with startling results.The pro-vaccine cabal have been trying to silence his claims and now discredit them.The issue is being backed up by celebrities Jim Carey and Jenny mcCarthy so its not just an article by some "nutcase" conspiracy theorist

Says it all I think.

RoboClam

This whole vaccine -> authism thing has been totally debunked. As has already been said in this thread, the guy was a fraud. His faulty paper was enough to start a whole anti-vaccine movement.

A lot of research has been done to look for a link between thimerosol and authism. Surprise surprise, there is none. Now the anti-vaccine people are moving the goalposts and saying that "toxins" in vaccines are the cause. How specific.

Truthrevolution

rarnes1 wrote: »

Yeah, he fixed data and misreported results. What a guy :rolleyes:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683671.ece

Obviously the General Medical Council are going to try discredit his claims.....

RoboClam

Truthrevolution wrote: »

Obviously the General Medical Council are going to try discredit his claims.....

So because he is validating your beliefs, he cannot possibly be wrong? You have arrived at your conclusion without examining the evidence.

Truthrevolution

Undergod wrote: »

The Lancet begs to differ. The main author, Wakefield, was in the pay of rival vaccine comapnies, and ten of the other authors retracted their conclusion of a link between MMR and autism in 2004. The Lancet recently issued a full retraction of the entire article, because Wakefield had falsified data. I like how the naturalnews article doesn't mention that Wakefield had filed applications for a vaccine of his own.

http://briandeer.com/mmr-lancet.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15016483
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2810%2960175-7/fulltext
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/health/8493753.stm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683671.ece

Its no secret that Dr Wakefield has been trying to develop a safer alternative vaccine.I would be interested to know who these other companies are and what vaccines they were producing?? And was Dr Wakefield actually found guilty of falsifying data or was he just reprimanded?? You have a lot of mainstream media articles there which have very little information about the whole debacle and no links to the actual findings, unlike Dr Wakefields studies.

Truthrevolution

RoboClam wrote: »

This whole vaccine -> authism thing has been totally debunked. As has already been said in this thread, the guy was a fraud. His faulty paper was enough to start a whole anti-vaccine movement.

A lot of research has been done to look for a link between thimerosol and authism. Surprise surprise, there is none. Now the anti-vaccine people are moving the goalposts and saying that "toxins" in vaccines are the cause. How specific.

Thermosil contains mercury which is a toxin, am i right or am i wrong???

RoboClam

Truthrevolution wrote: »

Thermosil contains mercury which is a toxin, am i right or am i wrong???

So does a can of tuna. In fact a can of tuna contains more mercury than a vaccine. Dosage determines toxicity.

The mercury in vaccines is not the kind of mercury you imagine. It's an organometallic compound, meaning it is bound to carbon and is part of a larger molecule. Iron in our blood is an example. You may think of iron as a lump of metal, but it's present in our haemoglobin all the same.

Undergod

Truthrevolution wrote: »

Thermosil contains mercury which is a toxin, am i right or am i wrong???

Salt contains sodium which is a toxin and explodes in water, am I right or am I wrong?
Salt contains chlorine which is a poisonous gas, am I right or am I wrong?
Water contains hydrogen which is highly flammable, am I right or am I wrong?
Air contains carbon, which can be dangerous when inhaled, am I right or am I wrong?

Truthrevolution

RoboClam wrote: »

So does a can of tuna. In fact a can of tuna contains more mercury than a vaccine. Dosage determines toxicity.

The mercury in vaccines is not the kind of mercury you imagine. It's an organometallic compound, meaning it is bound to carbon and is part of a larger molecule. Iron in our blood is an example. You may think of iron as a lump of metal, but it's present in our haemoglobin all the same.

If i had a euro for every time i heard the "more mercury in a can of tuna" sounbite id be doing well

RoboClam

Truthrevolution wrote: »

If i had a euro for every time i heard the "more mercury in a can of tuna" sounbite id be doing well

Must not be true so.

If I had a euro for every time I heard someone incorrectly use the word toxin...

Truthrevolution

Undergod wrote: »

Salt contains sodium which is a toxin and explodes in water, am I right or am I wrong?
Salt contains chlorine which is a poisonous gas, am I right or am I wrong?
Water contains hydrogen which is highly flammable, am I right or am I wrong?
Air contains carbon, which can be dangerous when inhaled, am I right or am I wrong?

Answer#1 Sodium will not explode in your stomach
Answer#2 hence why they dont recomment too much salt intake
Answer#3 how can hydrogen become flammable if its in your digestive system
Answer#4 humanity has survived for 1000s of years inhaling air

None of you have yet backed up your claims or answered my questions about Dr wakefield??

Fannymcslap

I always defer to Ben Goldacre when I'm confronted by people who believe vaccines are a conspiracy theory:

http://www.badscience.net/2008/08/the-medias-mmr-hoax/

RoboClam

Do your own research. It's not our job to inform you, you have to do it yourself.


Ah ok, just this once.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B7MFB-4DS7HY1-3&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F01%2F2004&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=bb25910274d218585a2355691a341c48
N. Sengupta, H. Bedford, D. Elliman and R. Booy (2004). Does the MMR triple vaccine cause autism? Evidence-Based Healthcare and public health 8, 239-245

In the early 1990s the Inflammatory Bowel Disease Study Group (IBDSG) at the Royal Free Hospital, London, published a paper suggesting a link between early measles infection (i.e. during pregnancy or early childhood) and onset of IBD in adulthood. Later they similarly suggested a link between measles vaccine and adult IBD. Both associations were subsequently disproved by other researchers as well as the IBDSG themselves.

The authors described what they considered to be a new syndrome of autistic enterocolitis. They also suggested that there might be a link between this syndrome and MMR vaccine. There were, however, many limitations to the methods used in this study. It was a self selected group of children; there were no controls; there was the potential for recall bias, and the age at which the vaccine was given would normally coincide with the age at onset of the behaviour problems described even if there were no causal link

Using a variety of methods including cross-sectional series, a large retrospective cohort study (537,000 children of whom 18% had not received MMR) and other observational studies, no link was found between MMR vaccine and autism. The Institute of Medicine Committee on Immunisation Safety Reviews have recently published their second review of vaccines and autism. The committee identified the same studies that we have described, and concluded that “the evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between MMR vaccine and autism”.

Here's another:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TD4-43B8K4F-6&_user=10&_coverDate=06%2F14%2F2001&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=b63adc3c0048de493c3840f01e575fe8
C. Paddy Farrington, Elizabeth Miller and Brent Taylor (2001). MMR and autism: further evidence against a causal association. Vaccine 14, 3632-3635

Our results do not support the hypothesis that MMR or measles-containing vaccines cause autism at any time after vaccination. The point estimates are generally close to unity, with narrow confidence intervals, indicating that the analyses have good power. In addition to its simplicity, the self-matched case series method has the advantage of avoiding any bias due to individual-level confounding, as might occur in cohort or case-control studies, for example due to confounding of vaccination and unmeasured risk factors for autism

I could go on, there are many many many more papers. I think the findings are clear.

Truthrevolution

Seems there are many who will disagree with your findings.......

http://search.mercola.com/Results.aspx?k=MMR%20Vaccines

RoboClam

I show you peer reviewed studies, one of which consisted of a study of 500,000 children and you show me a biased natural health site which did not do any actual research.

Truthrevolution

RoboClam wrote: »

I show you peer reviewed studies, one of which consisted of a study of 500,000 children and you show me a biased natural health site which did not do any actual research.

Ahh, sounbite no.2, "its not a peer review" study so it doesnt count......

RoboClam

Truthrevolution wrote: »

Ahh, sounbite no.2, "its not a peer review" study so it doesnt count......

What you posted isn't a study of any kind, peer reviewed or not. It's a website based on nothing more than opinion from what I can see.

Please tell me what your problem is with the studies that I posted.

This isn't a scientific discussion forum. If you wish to discuss the link between vaccines and autism, then find a more appropriate forum. As far as I can see, there's no conspiracy here. So, closed.