Digital dj laws?

colly_06

Hi,
I've just heard a story about a digital dj who had to prove he purchased his music legally to a venue owner to play the venue, there was certain laws in that country, i think Canada, that made him have to do so. Is there anything like this in Ireland?

zega

How would you even go about proving you bought it legally?

jtsuited

zega wrote: »

How would you even go about proving you bought it legally?

your account on most (if not all) legal download stores.

garyt43

I wouldnt know how you would prove it....but i know of a dj who was playing a gig one night when a woman went up and went through his cds. now a majority of his cds was legitimate but she asked him where he got the copied ones from...now at the time he thought nothin of it and told her he downloaded them from.....limewire...then about 15min later she came back and produced id sayin that she worked on behalf of i.r.m.a and he laughed it off....But three days later he got a solicitors letter wantin him to produce the legal copies to the cds in question or face prosecution...he ended up havin to pay 700 euro...

colin29

colly_06 wrote: »

Hi,
I've just heard a story about a digital dj who had to prove he purchased his music legally to a venue owner to play the venue, there was certain laws in that country, i think Canada, that made him have to do so. Is there anything like this in Ireland?

I would doubt it was Canada, if I buy a CD or download music here I am allowed to make copies for my friends and the the law will let me, peer to peer downloading/copying is legal in Canada, when you buy an mp3 player or blank CDs you pay extra to make up for this.
If you are making money from DJing then you should obtain all you music legally as you are making a profit from it.

colly_06

colin29 wrote: »

If you are making money from DJing then you should obtain all you music legally as you are making a profit from it.

F*ck :pac:

milltown

jtsuited wrote: »

your account on most (if not all) legal download stores.

And how about music you have ripped from your legally bought CDs over the years? I know I have thrown out many CDs over the years when doing a clear out, after I have ripped the odd track from them to keep. And I certainly don't keep the receipts from CDs that I buy.

Surely the burden of proof should lie with IRMA here. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? In the US, where the RIAA seem to have carte blanche in the legal system, they still have to produce proof that their targets down/uploaded the disputed music. Posession isn't used as proof.

b1tch1n

cmon lets be realistic, produce the receipt, invoice or original and it is sorted. If not the pay the fine

Jev/N

It's a massive grey area as a lot of music downloaded from blogs is there legally or semi-legally due to a lot of smaller artists sending their own stuff around for free...

b1tch1n

imro and ppi have the monopoly and there just isn really a way around them.

imro colect the moneys if you play music commercially and or in a public area and ppi seem to collect for each track you play or have in your collection, something like 40 or 50c per track per year, not sure about imro maybe 60 a month or something

edit: I think copyright free music gets you out of ppi, but played in public imro still collect I think.

g5fd6ow0hseima

b1tch1n wrote: »

imro and ppi have the monopoly and there just isn really a way around them.

imro colect the moneys if you play music commercially and or in a public area and ppi seem to collect for each track you play or have in your collection, something like 40 or 50c per track per year, not sure about imro maybe 60 a month or something

edit: I think copyright free music gets you out of ppi, but played in public imro still collect I think.

the ****,

Musicman2000

Who promotes the artists music by playing it the Dj, It should be the other way around IRMA paying the djs:)

Run_to_da_hills

colly_06 wrote: »

Hi,
I've just heard a story about a digital dj who had to prove he purchased his music legally to a venue owner to play the venue, there was certain laws in that country, i think Canada, that made him have to do so. Is there anything like this in Ireland?

We can expect very strict international laws on copyright in the near future if this gets through. Carrying unlicensed music on your Ipod or laptop could be classified the same as carrying illegal contraband and will result in prosecutions and confiscation of equipment.

I am not sure how they will police this, presume will give the likes of PPI, Imra and customs and excise at borders the authority. They may also make a venue responsible for what music is being played putting the onus on the management to make sure everything is above board.

It would be up to the individual to prove himself legit before he would get his equipment returned. In the Netherlands it has been a max fine of e10,000 for several years for DJ's that use non registered music on their laptops.

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

In the Netherlands it has been a max fine of e10,000 for several years for DJ's that use non registered music on their laptops.

If you're making money every weekend by playing other peoples tunes then you should have to source your music legally. Do you see a problem with that?

mambo

The thread below says

"Just to let you all know that the Digital DJ Licence will be happening next month and the cost is for any DJ with cdrs or laptops ." [this is from Nov 2009]
http://www.radiowavesforum.com/rw/showthread.php?t=19095

Anyone know anything about this? The PPI website says nothing specific about digital/laptop DJing
http://www.ppiltd.com/

dubsbhoy

Anyone from imro ever got their hands on my external HD i'd be doing hard time

The only music i pay for is house music and even at that i pay for probably half it, the only reason i pay anything at all is i reckon most are not making much money and money wouldn't be a factor in them producing tracks in the first place, but i can't remember the last time i bought a mainstream CD it actually kills me when people buy them for me.

If Ivor Calley can get away with skimming tens of thousands of euros ......