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How to integrate this?

  • 06-02-2010 10:04pm
    #1
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 7,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    [latex]
    \displaystyle \int_2^6{\frac{1}{x^2 - 4x + 20}\,\,\,\,dx}
    [/latex]

    It seems simple enough but I can't for the life of me figure it out! I don't think a u substitution would work as [latex]du = (2x - 4)\,\,\,\,dx[/latex] which doesn't really help

    Thanks!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    Completing the square ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭Kevster


    What if you put it to the power of -1? For example,

    1/4x is the same as (4x)^-1

    Kevin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    I'll give you a clue, the answer is 1/4(tan(1))

    Now see if you can work that out yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Kevster wrote: »
    What if you put it to the power of -1? For example,

    1/4x is the same as (4x)^-1

    Kevin
    Here's another clue. Don't do this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    Kevster wrote: »
    What if you put it to the power of -1? For example,

    1/4x is the same as (4x)^-1

    Kevin

    While that is true it won't help you integrate it. You need to just rewrite the denominator by using the method of completing the square.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭Kevster


    That doesn't solve evenly though, or does it? the quadratic I mean


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 15,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭rebel girl 15


    Kevster wrote: »
    That doesn't solve evenly though, or does it? the quadratic I mean

    By completing the square, wouldn't the bottom line read (x^2-4x+4)+16 which is (x-2)^2+4^2.

    Substitute U for (x-2), then d(x-2)=du, dx=du.

    so you then have 1 over u^2+4^2 and use img506.gif standard integral which equals img11.gifarctan(x/a)

    I think thats the way to do it - I haven't done this integrating for a while!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,077 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I'll give you a clue, the answer is 1/4(tan(1))

    Now see if you can work that out yourself.
    Can't say I agree with that answer... I get something else for the indefinite integral portion: [latex]\frac{1}{4}{atan}(\frac{x-2}{4})[/latex] (CAS solution).

    From that I suspect it's going to involve the standard integral [latex]\int{\frac{1}{x^2 + 1}} dx = atan(x)[/latex], with a substitution? Not sure.

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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 7,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭**Timbuk2**


    Thanks for the help!

    I managed to solve it with completing the square! The answer I got was
    [latex]
    \displaystyle \frac{1}{4}\tan^{-1}({\frac{x-2}{4}})
    [/latex]
    and subbing in the limits (2 to 6) I got [latex]\frac{\pi}{16}[/latex].

    Thanks for the help!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,077 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Cool! Am I right in saying the indefinite portion went something like this?
    [latex]\displaystyle \int{\frac{1}{x^2 - 4x + 20}\,dx}[/latex]

    [latex]\displaystyle =\int{\frac{1}{(x^2 - 4x + 4) + 16}\,dx[/latex]

    [latex]\displaystyle =\int{\frac{1}{(x-2)^2 +4^2}\,dx[/latex]

    Then substitutions u for (x-2) and a for 4, and the standard integral:
    [latex]\displaystyle \int\frac{dx}{u^2 + a^2} = \frac{1}{a}\tan^{-1}(\frac{u}{a}) +C[/latex].

    I don't know how people remember all these in exams, I really don't ... I can do this stuff if I can just remember it. I use giac/xcas or my TI-89 to find the answers to these things, if possible. :o

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 15,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭rebel girl 15


    I got it right! Happy out now, wasn't sure if I did it right or not! (I went as far as integrating, didn't put in the limits!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,077 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    The last part (definite integral) is pretty easy in this example, especially since the lower limit evaluates to zero: arctan (2-2) = arctan (0) = 0. With the upper limit, it's arctan (6-2)/4 = arctan 4/4 =arctan (1) = pi/4. The final answer is 1/4 that, so it's pi/16. (All Radians, of course, in case your calculator gives you weird results.)

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

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