Rejected Eurosong 2010 Entry

Jabel

Hi all
Got my rejection email yesterday for Eurosong,
no great surprise there but I suppose 'you told me so'

Ok, I said I would put it up for a bit of CC so here it is.
Forgive the basic nature of the myspace page
but I just set it up last night.
Looking forward to your comments.
Cheers
J



http://www.myspace.com/jabelsongs

GoldenTickets

That opening riff sounds like a banjo played through a wah-wah pedal. I have to say that doesn't exactly whet the appetite...

JonathanAnon

GoldenTickets wrote: »

That opening riff sounds like a banjo played through a wah-wah pedal.

LOL. it's funny cos it's true.

The songs really needs strummed clean/acoustic guitar, and piano, and (being Eurovision) strings :-) I find it hard to hear the chord progression with just that very harsh fuzz guitar.

studiorat

Jabel wrote: »

Hi all
Got my rejection email yesterday for Eurosong,
no great surprise there but I suppose 'you told me so'

Heard it mentioned more than once that there might be a little bit of mutual back scratching going on there. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

shayleon

jedward #1 in the irish chart.

the question is not what you did wrong, but how bad can you be

kumate_champ07

vocal sounds too dry

alan kelly

Not my kinda music but fair play man. The girl singing has a good voice. Have only listened to it on my laptop and not through my proper speakers so not gonna comment on the production although it sounds fine on the laptop. All in all there are worse songs getting huge airplay on the airwaves every day.

Can only imagine what garbage they are gonna bring in to the eurovision,,, Come back zig and zag,, All is forgiven:D

mada999

I like the song but i'm not so sure about the song structure though,

kinda like that little riff when it comes in at the start and in the middle... catchy as hell... like the little solo too!!

Jabel

Thanks for the comments so far
though obviously I only agree with the positive ones!
A little more info on the song:
I didn't write it specifically for Eurosong and as
a result it's kinda shoehorned into 3 minutes
but I wasn't going to follow some rather
ridiculous suggestion that it must have
strings, big chorus e.t.c
I tried to make it as accessible as I can
but you can't please everyone eh?
My daughter is the vocalist and I basically
did everything else.
Keep em coming...
J

harmacist

Thought your daughters voice is great, the banjo-wah is definitely forging new frontiers too.
I got the pfo email on Friday as well.
I was kind of pleasantly suprised they actually pfo'd at all actually- was relying on the fact that if I hadn't heard anything by the morning of the late late show, that the good news wasn't forth coming!
My effort is the first one on the myspace if anyone's curious, but I'd no intention of singing it myself..
Feedback would be similarly welcome, thanks!

www.myspace.com/sunshear1

Jabel

Hey Harmacist
Thanks for the positive feedback.
Had a listen to your tracks and this is gonna sound
like back-scratching but I really liked your stuff
especially the excellent Saviourself.
Why wouldn't you have sung it yourself if it was picked?

BumbleB

I liked that ,the vocals are excellent ,though too dry as someone else said .The mix is very muddy at the chorus , the intro riff i thought was very good. The dist guitar doesn't really work ,and you cant really hear the subtle nuances of the drums.

harmacist

Jabel wrote: »

Hey Harmacist
Thanks for the positive feedback.
Had a listen to your tracks and this is gonna sound
like back-scratching but I really liked your stuff
especially the excellent Saviourself.
Why wouldn't you have sung it yourself if it was picked?

Well more back-scratching but thanks mate!
My vocals are only a fair to middling being completely honest about it so
in the end a better vocal means a better song recording/peformance.
The mix is muddy in parts too but couldn't seem to clear it up despite
lots of fiddling/rerecording!

GoldenTickets

harmacist wrote: »

Feedback would be similarly welcome, thanks!

I don't think this sounds like Eurovision winning material if I'm honest. It strikes me more as the kind of thing that might be heard in the background of a chick flick where the lead character has just liberated herself from a suffocating boyfriend and is about to head off and discover herself. Montage music I'd call it. Is that the kind of thing you're aiming for?

harmacist

GoldenTickets wrote: »

I don't think this sounds like Eurovision winning material if I'm honest. It strikes me more as the kind of thing that might be heard in the background of a chick flick where the lead character has just liberated herself from a suffocating boyfriend and is about to head off and discover herself. Montage music I'd call it. Is that the kind of thing you're aiming for?

;)I can see it alright... convertible with the roof down, road stretching out, bad MOR music on the radio!

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

shayleon wrote: »

jedward #1 in the irish chart.

Jumping jesus, you are right! :eek:

I would say they will be gone in a few months, but i can see RTE singing them up to host tele bingo or something like that in a few months.

artvandulet

http://www.rte.ie/arts/2010/0210/eurosong.html

well there we go. looks like OP never stood a chance. John Waters gets through again, and Boyzoner Mikey Graham gets through. I'm sure its all because theirs were the best songs.;)

Jabel

http://www.rte.ie/arts/2010/0210/eurosong.html

Jeez
actually feeling less rejected now, seeing
as though "it's not what you know" and all that.
Surprised Dana and Johnny Logan are
not there too

henessjon

yeah i would say we WE cos i have entered before,

need to consider

1st you need to be known by the judges (maybe a historical entrant suffice)

2nd the song needs to be the final product as in ready to go Finished and polished

3rd, probably not most important a good song.

I listened to your entry the lyrics were not stand out as in popular rhyming text and also the music was not infectious enough as in boom bang a bang,

the song itself could be good album track


all the above is a hyper crit by me

a joe soap

average punter who has done nothing in the musical bizzz
heres to next year

tweeky

RTE are currently looking for available Irish ancestors for one of our candidates,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monice

Not against the rules and easy on the eye!

i57dwun4yb1pt8

easy on the eye , !!

maybe if you are into transexuals yes ! :):D

tweeky

Where did you get that one? DumDum.

Seziertisch

I saw there in the newspaper that Ronan Keating also didn't make the final cut, so if you didn't make it you are in good company ...

i57dwun4yb1pt8

tweeky wrote: »

Where did you get that one? DumDum.

who you calling DumDum , s.hitkicker ?

krd

The song doesn't really get good until the last section. The guitar and the voice on the last section work really well. If the whole track had been built that way it would have sound a lot better. But she has a great voice that works really well with that bit of guitar - if you could make whole songs around that they'd sound great - you don't need the effects on the guitar.

There's no point in doing key changes for the sake of doing a key change.

The drummer - sounds like a paedophile - I don't really have a scientific method of working this out - just to me, that shuffle, sounds like something someone on the sex offenders registry would do.

Lyrics - Lyrics shouldn't be set in stone - what you have there sounds like the bones of a song. A way to develop better lyrics is to learn to improvise. Good lyrics sound like a conversation. So, a decent singer songwriter should learn how to improvise at the mike - or in rehearsal - a song will eventually build up and become stronger.

krd

As for the Jedward.

They may not be able to sing.

They may have zero musical talent.

They may not know a G7 from a CMaj - or a DX7

but - They've got the haircut - and in Rock'n'Roll the haircut can trump all else.

Musicmaker should have a deal with a hairstylist that can fix people's sound. You can get the eq and compression perfect - if you don't have the hair right, it will just sound awful.

alfa beta

Hey Jabel

Must say your doughter has a very good voice.

As for the song, I just don't think it's eurovision enough.

Then again, obviously neither was mine as it too got rejected. You can have a listen here if you like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onw9TzsZ-kM

I guess from a songwriting perspective, the whole eurovision thing revolves around gaining that immediate impact, the way 'Fairytale' just seemed to wow everyone last year - and you coldn't deny it was a catchy song.

I spose you gotta leave the audience humming the melody afterwards - that's the trick!! - oh well, here's to 2011...

JonathanAnon

Mooney has the five songs on today. I've thought about writing one myself, cos I have a few songs here, but it's pretty much a closed shop.

* Leanne Moore - Does Heaven Need Much More? (composed by Tommy Moran & John Waters)
* Monice (Monika Ivkic) - Fashion Queen (composed by Marc Paelinck & Mathias Strasser)
* Lee Bradshaw - River Of Silence (composed by Ralph Siegel, John O'Flynn & José Santana)
* Michael Graham - Baby Nothing's Wrong (composed by Michael Graham, Scott Newman & Yann O'Brien)
* Niamh Kavanagh - It's For You (composed by Niall Mooney, Mårten Eriksson,Jonas Gladnikof & Lina Eriksson)

Same names, same writers, same singers.. I think they make it very restrictive that the person has to provide their own "professional" backing track. Seems like they want as little work to do as possible, regardless of how good the song is.