Maps

newman10

Hi

I hope that you can help me, my wife and I moved into her Family farm and are experiencing some problems with new neighbours over what they are calling unclaimed ground.

Can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of the new Satellite Maps which are now being used. Friend has told me that there are some problems with them compared to the older OS maps.

I am based in Kerry

Many thanks

Johnnyr

Ordnance Survey Ireland (OSi) are the main provider of mapping products in Ireland. OSi maps are the standard mapping product used be government agencies, incl. land registry. They have colour air photos of the country, which are recent when compared to the old 6" maps. The old 6" map is a good product and don't be far out generally.

Link to OSi map viewer
http://ims0.osiemaps.ie/website/publicviewer/main.aspx?id=&utype=&ecom=S1&user=#V1,600000,750000,0

johngalway

Would the land registry office not be the place to go, if there's question about ownership. Someone must own, or have some sort of rights to it.

newman10

We have the land registry maps but our neighgour is claiming a strip of land which he says is unregistered according to the new Satellite maps.

He is also refusing to move a van from a right-of way and as I asked in the original post are these new maps causing problems

LookBehindYou

if you have the land registry map for your property, Your boundary can be worked out accurately in conjunction with os maps ( NOT photo copies or aerial photos)

cjpm

newman10 wrote: »

We have the land registry maps but our neighgour is claiming a strip of land which he says is unregistered according to the new Satellite maps.

He is also refusing to move a van from a right-of way and as I asked in the original post are these new maps causing problems

Contact the offices of the land registry in Waterford. Send them a map of the area that you are on about and ask them for the deeds and land registry maps for your area and your neighbours area. You will have to pay for these. Right of ways are marked on the maps as far as i know, and they are definitely listed on the deeds if they have been there for a long time.

However if a person accesses property through anothers land for a sufficient length of time, without objections from the neighbour, then they can claim a right of way too, i'm not sure of the in's and out's of that though a soliciter would be able to tell you exactly. I'd strongly suspect that no land is unregistered.

At least then you will know where you stand. Don't do anything rash.

Figerty

Solicitor and Land Registry is the way to go. You need to frighten this guy off. Obviously he is chancing his arm to get rights on the land. The land registry is the definitive guide.

THere is no unclaimed land in Ireland, and there is (according to a solicitor I know) un registered land in Ireland. There is land with strange titles and and arrangements. The satelite maps are not accurate and the old maps are the definitive guide.

Fight it all the way..Of course it would be a shame if anything were to happen the van......

newman10 wrote: »

We have the land registry maps but our neighgour is claiming a strip of land which he says is unregistered according to the new Satellite maps.

He is also refusing to move a van from a right-of way and as I asked in the original post are these new maps causing problems

LookBehindYou

Going to a solicitor is not helping this person who has to live beside his neighbour. Best way is to get facts correct first, by getting the land registry map for the property and marking out the boundary.
A solicitor would need facts to proceed with anything.
This dispute could be settled in a friendly manner that would be acceptable to both parties, without incurring big expense.

Figerty

A solicitor will advise the best way to proceed and will be able to give the full facts from the land registry maps and deeds. Other than that, expecially where there is heresay about titles and 'unclaimed' land it is best to nip this in the bud.

I know plenty chancer farmers who have tried this kind of thing in the past. Such as changing water paths; rights of way issues and also claiming title to land ala Pat Kenny. Thankfully I haven't had such a problem and hope I never have!

Go to a solicitor as soon as you can, get adivice and bury this issue as soon as possible. Your neighbour is no good to you as a neighbour if he/she is a land grabber and no loss to you.

johngalway

Figerty wrote: »

Such as changing water paths

There's a term I never heard before. What do you mean by the above quote, would that be Farmer B stopping up the flow of a drain coming onto his property from Farmer A's land?

LookBehindYou

Figerty wrote: »

A solicitor will advise the best way to proceed and will be able to give the full facts from the land registry maps and deeds. Other than that, expecially where there is heresay about titles and 'unclaimed' land it is best to nip this in the bud.

I know plenty chancer farmers who have tried this kind of thing in the past. Such as changing water paths; rights of way issues and also claiming title to land ala Pat Kenny. Thankfully I haven't had such a problem and hope I never have!

Go to a solicitor as soon as you can, get adivice and bury this issue as soon as possible. Your neighbour is no good to you as a neighbour if he/she is a land grabber and no loss to you.

A solicitor will not be able to determine the extent of the boundary on the ground. A Cartographer or a Land Surveyor would be able to examine the boundary on the Land registry map and mark out same boundary on the ground, even if that same boundary on the ground was undefined.

agcons

If the land registry map shows you own this strip then it is 99% certain you own it. Have a surveyor out to check it. Worth a trip to land registry to get a copy of your neighbours map. (you can also do this online if you register with the land registry) and see exactly where the boundary is.
It seems quite likely in this case that the strip in question is unclaimed for Area Aid purposes which means it does not have a LPIS no. Be sure to put it on your SPS application this year. If your neighbour puts it on his it will appear as a dual claim. The Dept of ag will write to both of you looking for proof of ownership and whoever produces the folio map will win.

Figerty

In this country it's usally the reverse! The case I know of happened about 20 years ago. One farmer changed the direction of the flow of water in a water course causing flooding of the neighbours field. Lets just say they had colourful history and were nearly on first name terms with the judge in Ennis.

Long and short of it, it took a court case to the get the water flowing the original direction again + damage to a tree plantation,, although I don't think Sitka spruce minds being wet.. but thats another story..

johngalway wrote: »

There's a term I never heard before. What do you mean by the above quote, would that be Farmer B stopping up the flow of a drain coming onto his property from Farmer A's land?

Figerty

I think you have it nailed there with that suggestion.

agcons wrote: »

If the land registry map shows you own this strip then it is 99% certain you own it. Have a surveyor out to check it. Worth a trip to land registry to get a copy of your neighbours map. (you can also do this online if you register with the land registry) and see exactly where the boundary is.
It seems quite likely in this case that the strip in question is unclaimed for Area Aid purposes which means it does not have a LPIS no. Be sure to put it on your SPS application this year. If your neighbour puts it on his it will appear as a dual claim. The Dept of ag will write to both of you looking for proof of ownership and whoever produces the folio map will win.

newman10

Thanks to everyone who replied.

Have a surveyor doing a land survey this morning and hopefully we will be able to solve our problem without going to a Solicitor