The sinking of the USS Liberty

mcmoustache

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3319663041501647311&ei=2RZqS5LvFtiT-AaeytzSDw&q=bbc&view=3&dur=3

Back during the six-day war between Israel and Egypt, an american spy-ship was in the mediteranean sea listening to radio communications. Isreali recon planes overflew it and presumably identified it as american. Later, it was attacked by israeli planes and torpedos. Israel claimed it was an accident and the US administration went along with that. There was a huge cover-up and actors on both sides still refuse to discuss it. The two allies even had joint military excersises so the idea that Israel made a mistake just seems fishy. Personally I think it's quite possible that both sides planned it to make it easy LBJ's administration to enter the war. Could a government kill it's own citizens to enter or start a war? There are some interesting parralels with 911.

uprising2

Interesting video, for those who won't watch the 1 hour 8 min video, at least watch the segment at 43:00-50:00, 7 minutes thats all, and 58:00-59:28, if you don't smell a fish from them 8:28 minutes, get your nose checked.

Israel and America jointly conspired to sink an american ship, blame it on Egypt, problem was the ship didn't sink, all live's were not lost, meaning living witnesses, that was the problem, Cairo was minutes away from being nuked.
The USS Liberty was to be the sacrificial lamb to get good old uncle sam into the war and test some weapons of mass destruction but the Israeli's fukked it up, people survived, the ship didnt go down and everybody didn't drown because the lifeboats were destroyed, so the plan to simply blame Egypt had to be abandoned.

McNamara and Johnson calling back aircraft on their way to aid/support an american ship under attack?.

Very good post mcmoustache, I'd heard something small of it before but never looked into it, until now, Thanks.

Brown Bomber

Anyone who believes the "mistaken identity" lienis not very skeptical at all.

The attacl proves either one of two things.

1.Either the US is prepared to go along with the killing of its citizens and cover it up.

2. The US is really subservient to Israel.

Here is another good documentary on the subject
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7384200507117357203&ei=R_lrS9rGLqDk2gLYjKC-CA&q=%22loss+of+liberty%22#

Lab_Mouse

Actually that documentary(and the CT that goes with it)sounds like something I would be interested in.

Will watch the documentary when I get the chance and get back to you's on it.

RGDATA!

uprising2 wrote: »

Interesting video, for those who won't watch the 1 hour 8 min video, at least watch the segment at 43:00-50:00, 7 minutes thats all, and 58:00-59:28, if you don't smell a fish from them 8:28 minutes, get your nose checked.

cheers, watched that much and watching in full now. definitely worth a look.

mcmoustache

Brown Bomber wrote: »

The attacl proves either one of two things.

1.Either the US is prepared to go along with the killing of its citizens and cover it up.

2. The US is really subservient to Israel.

Those two points aren't mutually exclusive. If a country can send thousands to their deaths in wartime, it's not much of a stretch to allow a few hundred to get killed to legitimise their entry into a war. Anyway, there's no room for idealism or sentimentality in the war room so we can't really expect any administration to be bound by the same standards as normal folk. The fact that they didn't finish the job seems strange, though. I would have thought that this was an all-or-nothing operation. Either kill everyone or don't do it at all. The accounts of the attack by the sailors suggests that killing them all was the intent of the israelis. One of them described the israeli gunners as "methodically" destroying the life-boats. You'd get the impression that there weren't meant to be any survivors but they didn't finish the job. I don't really understand that. Maybe word got to the press or something.

As for the US being subservient to Israel, Israelis have been found spying in the US without any mention of "Diplomatic Incident". But as the only democracy in the middle east and the huge support for them in the US, the Israelis are very aware that they hold all the cards.


PS good video by the way. There's some very good and sober testimony there. It's surprising how calm and collected they come across, all things considered.

Lab_Mouse

McMOustache you raised some good points.It seems the israeli's done a very amateurish job.

Also another thing that got me thinking is that the israeli's have a very big lobby in the states.And if they had lost that war the state of israel would of been wiped off the face of the planet.Which begs the question in my mind would the US have to set up their own men so they could enter the war when I think they might of had the public support to do it with out killing their own citizens?

Very enjoyable video too I might add.

Mahatma coat

That docco raises some very interestin points, I had known about the Attack but I didnt know that the US had planes enroute to Nuke Cairo atht e time, and then when it was found out that the Ship hadnt sank these planes were refuse pernission by LBJ and Macnamara to assist the Liberty.


Also it makes some claims that the US actually flew in the Initial act of agression Sortie against teh Egyptian aribases ( albeit in a recon capacity, but whatever capacity it was DIRECT US involvement in an Act of War)


the whole thing is Extremley suspect, however we cant discuss it EVER, because its Illegal to say bad things about Israel.