The Standard Of Refereeing In The Premier League...

therokerroar

Is absolutely ****ing woeful.

I'm not sure if you've been unfortunate enough to have seen the Sunderland V Stoke game tonight but if you had you'd be able to have seen what a shocking standard of referring we have to put up with week in, week out.

Now, before you say I'm whinging as Webb was giving awful decisions against Sunderland, I'm sure each one of you on here will be able to think of at least 5 shocking decisions that not only Howard Webb, but his contempories have given against your side this season, a shocking thing when one considers that the season is not long over halfway complete.

They say these decisions balance themselves out? Bollocks.

I'll use Sunderland as the example:

Kenwyne Jones was sent off against West Ham this season for a 'push' on Illunga. The next week Chimbonda swings his closed fist into the face of on opponent, the result? A yellow card. Michael Turner gets sent off for keeping his eye on the ball and not noticing Gareth Barry coming in behind him, how receives a tap to the face, resulting in Turner getting sent off. The next week the same thing happens in a Manchester City game. The result? A yellow card. Steve Bruce sends a DVD of the above incidents to the FA, what does he here back from them? You've guessed it, absolutely nothing.

Now fair enough, if the referee's were consistent then we'd all know what players can and can't get away with but the inconsistency I have pointed out above happens so frequently with every single Premier League club, it's unreal and has certainly gone beyond the stage of fans having to put up with saying 'Oh the decisions will even themselves out over the season' because they don't!

Turning the Referee's professional was the worst thing The FA could possibly have done. The certainly haven't become fitter one thing they certainly haven't done is turned into better referees.

At this stage, something needs to be done. Whether that be bringing in the technology which is widely avaliable or not, that's not for me to decide.

Howard Webb will now get his face on the back of tomorrow's Daily Rags, so he'll be saying 'Job Done', but what about the fans and clubs who suffer because of these incompetent fools?

The time has now come for The FA to take serious action, before people become disillusioned with the game altogether.

GLaDOS

therokerroar wrote: »

Is absolutely ****ing woeful.

I'm guessing you've never been to a LOI game, now that's woeful!


But overall, the sport is going to suffer until video technology is brought in

In fairness OP, teams get runs of bad and good luck when it comes to refereeing and decisions. It's the same for all.

I bet you didn't mind when the "beachball" goal was wrongly given

Technology is needed asap, there's too much at stake these days.

Frisbee

therokerroar wrote: »

Howard Webb will now get his face on the back of tomorrow's Daily Rags, so he'll be saying 'Job Done', but what about the fans and clubs who suffer because of these incompetent fools?

People bring this argument up a lot about ref's wanting to get their name in the paper.

But would you really want a load of nationally published newspapers having a go at you? I think not.

therokerroar

Frisbee wrote: »

People bring this argument up a lot about ref's wanting to get their name in the paper.

But would you really want a load of nationally published newspapers having a go at you? I think not.

Have a look at a documentary entitled 'Kill The Referee', Webb was feeding of any bit of publicity he could get in that, good or bad.

I remember a scene in it when his Dad and Uncle were waiting to collect him in an airport and they were discussing how long he'd be getting his bags etc. The Uncle turns to the Dad and says "I wonder if he'll get any sort of special dispensation to get his bags first because he's a celebrity". A celebrity you know :eek: That scene highlighted everything that is wrong with modern day referees.

There's one Premier League referee, and IMHO only one, that doesn't want the limelight, just wants to get on with his job and he's actually the best in the League. Thankfully he's close to making a return after being out through illness and that's Mark Halsey. The sooner he's back, the better.

therokerroar

ScienceNerd wrote: »

I'm guessing you've never been to a LOI game, now that's woeful!

It's sad to say that I'd actually rather have Richie Winter referring a Premier League game than 90% of the current suitors.

They really are that bad.

leninbenjamin

Anyone who mouths of against the refs should be made watch 'Kill the Referee' by Yves Hinant. My opinion of them has really changed since seeing that, the pressure they are under is unreal and rants like this don't help. Howard Webb will not sleep well tonight, I guarantee you that.

edit: I see you posted mention of it while i was typing this. I can't believe you've already watched it and still hold it against him. Where in that documentary was there anything to suggest all Webb cares about is being a celebrity?

A Primal Nut

Howard Webb is particularly bad....such as Barcelona vs Dynamo Kiev when Messi got the **** kicked out of him but no yellow card was given until Shevchenko went in two-footed with two minutes to go, leaving Messi to get carried off the pitch.

Every match I watch him he is terrible and fails to pick up stuff even they were repetitive (such as the shirt-pulling tonight). He didn't have the balls to give a penalty, so instead he warned the defenders to stop doing it - which is basically admitting he seen it, didn't have the balls to give a penalty and instead warned them to stop doing. No doubt he thinks this is commen-sense refereeing.

mrDerek

they want us to respect the refereess which i think is ludicrous considering the appalling decisions made by some.

Respect is EARNED not awarded.

therokerroar

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Anyone who mouths of against the refs should be made watch 'Kill the Referee' by Yves Hinant. My opinion of them has really changed since seeing that, the pressure they are under is unreal and rants like this don't help. Howard Webb will not sleep well tonight, I guarantee you that.

The pressure is part of the job though. If you can't deal with the pressure of being a Premier League referee don't do it, it's a simple as that really. You wouldn't see, for example, Brain Surgeon's who can't deal with the pressure of conducting life saving operations sticking at it for long would you? No, because it wouldn't be acceptable, the same applies, logically, to another high pressure job. If referees cant handle the heat the should get out of the kitchen, simple as.

My side (which is not the only one) has suffered too many times this season (and countless others) for me to be now thinking of how Howard Webb won't sleep tonight. That's absolute bollocks, because he'll be out like a light whereas Steve Bruce, the players and fans who's lives are affected by his decisions will be the one's awake all night.

As for that documentary, it was filmed during one of the world's biggest tournaments, the officials were being filmed, and they are obviously more scruitinised there as they are in Premier League week in, week out. The hierarcy at Euro 2008 were thankfully able to see through his gutless refereeing performances and send him home at the first opportuinity though, which was the one bit of good that came of it. Unfortunately, The FA don't have the same bottle.

As for him acting like a celebrity during the documentary, come off it man it was plain to see. He was sitting there all smug and smiling to the cameras any opportuinity he got, with his 'oh look at me' attitude to the cameramen whenever he seen his face on the back of the local papers. Then when he got back to England he was singing 'Howard Webb has got a big bald head' to the cameras with his Father, not to mention the earlier incident which I posted about earlier. It was cringworthy at best.

starbelgrade

therokerroar wrote: »

I'm not sure if you've been unfortunate enough to have seen the Sunderland V Stoke game tonight

No - I was washing my hair.

monkey9

Hold on a second!! Stoke were playing Sunderland tonight?????????

Jaysus!!

LeBash

Tonights game deserves a rant, but I have seen worse.

I'd like to hear a solution to the problem though.

If the FA dock wages, the Refs just wont make the big decessions.

A professional foul will be a yellow, a hand ball in the box will be a peno, and a dubious corner will everytime be deemed as a foul straight after to avoid them losing money.

Although the good side to that would be alot more goals from 30 yards where a push on the goalkeeper cant be called.

geurrp the yard

If the refs are bad in the premier league, where are the good ref's?

To think that howard webb is a publicity seeker is a bad sad.

Funny enough ref's are only noticed when they have "bad games".
If webb had been such a bad ref, why was he selected to do the world cup?

d22ontour

A Primal Nut wrote: »

(such as the shirt-pulling tonight). He didn't have the balls to give a penalty

Have seen only one penalty given for that this season.Seen another wrongly awarded for something similar.Either they all endorse the same rules or they don't.We get a mish mash of everything and even the inconsistencies of their refereeing are inconsistent. :eek:

therokerroar

geurrp the yard wrote: »

If webb had been such a bad ref, why was he selected to do the world cup?

He's classed as the 'best' England has to offer. That in itself is a sad indictment on the Premier League, but I can guarantee he'll be gone home as soon as the group games are finished and rightly so.

Frisbee

Bring back Uriah Rennie I say.

Frisbee

Frisbee wrote: »

Bring back Uriah Rennie I say.

He's good for heartburn :pac:

Töpher

therokerroar wrote: »

Is absolutely ****ing woeful.

I'm not sure if you've been unfortunate enough to have seen the Sunderland V Stoke game tonight but if you had you'd be able to have seen what a shocking standard of referring we have to put up with week in, week out.

Now, before you say I'm whinging as Webb was giving awful decisions against Sunderland, I'm sure each one of you on here will be able to think of at least 5 shocking decisions that not only Howard Webb, but his contempories have given against your side this season, a shocking thing when one considers that the season is not long over halfway complete.

They say these decisions balance themselves out? Bollocks.

I'll use Sunderland as the example:

Kenwyne Jones was sent off against West Ham this season for a 'push' on Illunga. The next week Chimbonda swings his closed fist into the face of on opponent, the result? A yellow card. Michael Turner gets sent off for keeping his eye on the ball and not noticing Gareth Barry coming in behind him, how receives a tap to the face, resulting in Turner getting sent off. The next week the same thing happens in a Manchester City game. The result? A yellow card. Steve Bruce sends a DVD of the above incidents to the FA, what does he here back from them? You've guessed it, absolutely nothing.

Now fair enough, if the referee's were consistent then we'd all know what players can and can't get away with but the inconsistency I have pointed out above happens so frequently with every single Premier League club, it's unreal and has certainly gone beyond the stage of fans having to put up with saying 'Oh the decisions will even themselves out over the season' because they don't!

Turning the Referee's professional was the worst thing The FA could possibly have done. The certainly haven't become fitter one thing they certainly haven't done is turned into better referees.

At this stage, something needs to be done. Whether that be bringing in the technology which is widely avaliable or not, that's not for me to decide.

Howard Webb will now get his face on the back of tomorrow's Daily Rags, so he'll be saying 'Job Done', but what about the fans and clubs who suffer because of these incompetent fools?

The time has now come for The FA to take serious action, before people become disillusioned with the game altogether.

therokerroar wrote: »

Who cares? :rolleyes:

...<3 ironing? :rolleyes:

In reality, its nothing more than another valid request for the introduction of video technology that will be overlooked. Then again, it can't be implemented the same at all levels within the sport, so I guess that's fair enough. It's up to whoever reviews refereeing performances to address it first off.

Reganio 2

therokerroar wrote: »

My side (which is not the only one) has suffered too many times this season (and countless others) for me to be now thinking of how Howard Webb won't sleep tonight. That's absolute bollocks, because he'll be out like a light whereas Steve Bruce, the players and fans who's lives are affected by his decisions will be the one's awake all night.

If you are really affected by all this and cant get too sleep cause of a refereeing decision you really need to get a life or seek medical help.

Iago

therokerroar wrote: »

It's sad to say that I'd actually rather have Richie Winter referring a Premier League game than 90% of the current suitors.

Having had the "experience" of Richie reffing a number of my games over the years I think the only appropriate response to this is "let's not say anything we can't take back"

therokerroar

Reganio 2 wrote: »

If you are really affected by all this and cant get too sleep cause of a refereeing decision you really need to get a life or seek medical help.

Not me personally, although I have to say it does affect me somewhat, football is a massive part of my life to be honest.

But the likes of managers and players who's jobs are affected by it are my main concern.

LeBash

geurrp the yard wrote: »

Funny enough ref's are only noticed when they have "bad games".

I dont think thats fair to say anymore. Now i think commentators, managers and in post match analysis there is a huge emphasis on a good game by a ref.

The football fans with blinkers on blame the ref for alot, and I'm like that myself, but when i watch as a neutral, I have a very different view most of the time.

I have to agree, it is infuriating when it is plain to see the ref has made a numerious bad decisions, and continues to do so during a game. Its worse when the same ref gets another Premiership game the following week and does the same thing.

Also, dont forget, it was an English Premier League ref that gave a player 3 yellow cards in 1 game during the 2002 WC, so just cause Webb is at the world cup, doesnt make him top class. Imagine had Simunic scored in that game.

therokerroar

Another day of poor refereeing performances today in the Premier League.

Many poor decisions in the Merseyside Derby and Bolton have a perfectly legitimate goal ruled out against Fulham which robbed them of what could be three very crucial points come the end of the season.

Same old, same old.

Thanx 4 The Fish

geurrp the yard wrote: »

If the refs are bad in the premier league, where are the good ref's?

To think that howard webb is a publicity seeker is a bad sad.

Funny enough ref's are only noticed when they have "bad games".
If webb had been such a bad ref, why was he selected to do the world cup?

Best of a bad bunch.

d22ontour

The amount of bad decisions in the mersey derby today is enough evidence that the current refereeing structure in the premier league is a joke.Referees should be made review games and be allowed to publicly say they fooked up when they do so and hopefully learn from it though that's doubtful.
Pienners tackle on Masch was horrendous and thankfully did no damage but was a straight red card offence no matter what.I have seen Masch get away with the same type tackle numerous times too but that just shows us how inconsistent referees can be unfortuantely.
Fellani should have went for the stamp,Carragher should have went for the 2 scything cynical fouls yet wasn't booked for either.
I don't care who plays for who when i see tackles that can hurt players but for a ref to get at least 5 card decisions wrong in a game is a joke.

therokerroar

If any of you are watching Kevin Friend's 'performance' tonight in the Portsmouth V Sunderland game, you will see another horrific attempt at refereeing a game.

Awful, absolutely awful.

Xavi6

Technically not the Premier League but Chris Foy is a top flight referee so here we are.

Red card aside, because I'll only be accused of being a 'bitter blue' if I mention it, he was horrendous yet again. After his performance in the Stoke/Spurs game a few weeks ago I was sure he'd spend some time in a lower league but no, here he was refereeing the biggest tie of the weekend.

He got the majority of his yellow cards wrong and is generally just a terrible referee. Will anything be done about it? Of course not and poor Sir Chris Hoy should turn off his twitter for a few days.

Professional Griefer

Xavi6 wrote: »

Technically not the Premier League but Chris Foy is a top flight referee so here we are.

Red card aside, because I'll only be accused of being a 'bitter blue' if I mention it, he was horrendous yet again. After his performance in the Stoke/Spurs game a few weeks ago I was sure he'd spend some time in a lower league but no, here he was refereeing the biggest tie of the weekend.

He got the majority of his yellow cards wrong and is generally just a terrible referee. Will anything be done about it? Of course not and poor Sir Chris Hoy should turn off his twitter for a few days.

That Stoke/Spurs game should have been the end of him.

kryogen

He was **** today, as he normally is to be fair, no idea how he is still getting premier league and high profile games

After the sending off today he seemed to be looking for an opportunity to even things up judging by a couple of the bookings given to united players, the free kick city got to equalise was incorrect decision, as was the denial of Valencias stone wall penalty claims

Couple of times i saw him blow for city free kicks when clearly the advantage would have been the better option, i remember Aguero having the ball on the egde of the box facing one defender yet it was brought back

Awful afwul referee

YouTookMyName

Once giggs got away with the tackle from begind it was a free for all. Joke of a display.

kryogen

YouTookMyName wrote: »

Once giggs got away with the tackle from begind it was a free for all. Joke of a display.

Was Giggs one not more from the side?

either way yes it was a hell of a lot more of a yellow then the one given to Welbeck!