Trace job advertised by recruitment agency

kaykay27

Hi All

Well as the title goes there is a savage job that ive seen advertised by one of the big recruitment agencies in Dublin- would love to apply direct but goggled the job description and they only hit was the recruitment ad

Now i know the add might be a made up add but has any one out there figured out how to trace recruitment agencvy adverts? ive tried the websites of all the companies i think it might relate to and nada

Cheers

K

Sleepy

Underhanded tactics but you could contact the agency with a fake name and CV, phone up as that John Doe and see if you can find out enough from the phone conversation to find out who it is? Most recruitment people I've spoken to are surprisingly free with the names of the companies they're recruiting for...

mrpink6789

Sleepy wrote: »

Underhanded tactics but you could contact the agency with a fake name and CV, phone up as that John Doe and see if you can find out enough from the phone conversation to find out who it is? Most recruitment people I've spoken to are surprisingly free with the names of the companies they're recruiting for...

This is a disgraceful bit of advice and should NOT be done by anyone.

If it's a big agency chances are they actually have the job on, also if you cannot google the company then most likely they are only using agencies for their recruitment.

I know everyone is saying these days apply direct, better chance etc etc but think about it this way for a second. If a company advertises direct then it is most likely going through HR. HR get 100 applicants for a job, how many of them actually make it through to line managers? Do they really have time to go through 100 applicants? Will they only pick the first 5?

The agent wants to make money so he's going to push your CV through HR direct to the hiring manager. In a lot of cases you have a better chance going through an agency.

Sleepy

Are you a recruitment consultant perchance mrpink6789?

Nothing any more underhanded in what I suggested than many of the practices used against job seekers in the industry.

Morlar

Sleepy wrote: »

Nothing any more underhanded in what I suggested than many of the practices used against job seekers in the industry.

I'd agree with that. Have a colleague who yesterday got a call to his desk phone in work (transferred through from reception) a recruitment agency who he did not supply his work phone number to took the employer name out of his cv and went to the website - got the 'office in Dublin' ph# then rang it looking to speak to him.

They were not calling with anything that could not have been handled by email.

If he had been having a meeting at his desk with his manager present (which happens regularly) that could have damaged his prospects. This is not to mention the amount of times they throw scores of candidates at a job they are not qualified for hoping they get lucky and get a comission, wasting the time of a lot of people in my view.

KarlDrake

Re tracing hiring companies from the ad, there's both a knack and an art to it. I used to do it a lot when recruiting back in the day. If you want me to try, fire away and pm the link to me.
Having said that, why not go just go through the agency?
All things being equal, and hold the cynicism, the hiring company has engaged what appears to be one recruiter to fill this role.
What's the problem then?
I agree that attempting to get the name of the company by pulling a fast one on the recruiter is very bad form. Saying that sure they'd do it is the worst excuse in the world. "It doesn't make it alright".

Anyway, OP, I still do this kind of thing regularly, so feel free to fire it on. My take on it is that it's a tax on stupidity but that was a great point about actually having a better chance applying through the agent.

mkahnisbent

If you post the job advert here we might be able to help you.

mrpink6789

yes I am a recruitment consultant but I consider myself one of the decent ones out there. Besides, in this market the cowboys will be gone soon enough.

What you have suggested is very unethical and saying "well he does it to me, why can't I do it to him" is pretty childish.

Sleepy

I'll not take lectures in ethics from a recruitment consultant tbh.

The entire industry is of little value, seems to do more harm than good to most people's job-hunting efforts (in terms of time wasted, difficulty in finding genuine jobs on websites and lowering salaries to allow a company to give the agency it's commission) and unless it falls under some serious regulation in the near future, I can only see it's decline in the face of networking sites like linkedin.

Why any employer would engage the services of a recruitment firm is still beyond me. They're a very expensive means of sifting through a few CV's.

Why do you think the cowboys will be gone soon enough? The entire structure of the industry (with payment being almost entirely commission based) encourages unethical behaviour by those in it so in a recession, I'd imagine only the most cut-throat will survive. Unless there's some regulation on the way I haven't heard about, I can only see the cowboys continuing to dominate the market.

flash harry

Sleepy - just dont use them....

and for what feels like the millionth time on this site why doesnt someone get off their arse and complain to the NRF.ie if they dont like the practices of a member agency.

You can then tell us what they do (if anything) about it.

OP as a recruiter I have also become very ggod at figuring who the job advertsier is so feel free to PM me the link and I'll try let you know. Best wishes looking either way.

Yeehaa

FH

Sleepy

flash harry - where possible, I don't.

Just took a quick look at the NRF, first time I'd heard of them but tbh, it seems no different to SIMI or IAVI: a lobby group attempting to spin a notion of 'self regulation' in an unregulated industry.

Interestingly, you're the second recruiter to volunteer to figure out who's advertising the position for the OP. No honour among thieves, eh?

kaykay27

Hi Guys

OP here

Heres a copy of the job spec

***Mortgage position going in the middle of a recession-think its too good to be true******


JOB TITLE: Finance Analyst - Mortgage Finance

ROLE OVERVIEW:
The Mortgage Finance Unit (MFU) is specialised unit responsible for raising funds for the Group by issuing Covered Bonds. Its funding activities are integrated within the overall Treasury & Capital Markets business of Group. Issuing Covered Bonds relies on the use of mortgage collateral which acts as security against the bonds sold to investors. The MFU is managed by a small team of full time employees. As MFU grows and increases its business and funding activities additional resources are required to support the existing team to manage the business. Operating a Covered Bond Bank and issuing Covered Bonds is a specialist activity therefore a strong level of support and practical training will be provided to the successful candidate, upfront and on an ongoing ad hoc basis, in order for them to perform and develop in the role.

MAIN RESPONSIBILITIES:
Support the on-going day to day management of MFU including:

• Review and reconcile inter-group & external bank accounts, prepare payment instructions, monitor bond coupon and swap payments.
• Support funding raising transactions and the issue of Covered Bonds.
• Review monthly expense payments including inter-group recharge.
• Request external payment & collateral transfer consents & approvals as required.
• Liaise with Central Bank and Cover assets Monitor when required.
• Preparation of monthly & quarterly internal & external Management Information including:
  - Rating Agency, Investor and Cover Asset Monitor reports.
  - Assist in management of MFU mortgage collateral pools including:
  - Monitoring, review & analysis of mortgage pool versus eligibility criteria.
  - Removal of ineligible and non-performing mortgages from cover pool.
  - Participate in project(s) to transfer block of mortgages from the Society to MFU
  - Assist with annual audit engagements including:
• Interim and year end external audit process, Covered Asset Monitor Annual audit.
• Internal Audit, Operational Risk audit
• Ad hoc audits as they arise.

CANDIDATE REQUIREMENTS:

• A minimum of 3 years relevant Mortgage Analyst experience
• Third level degree and QFA's desirable
• Strong understanding of mortgage business and products
• Excellent organisational skills
• Accuracy and ability to meet deadlines
• Good communication skills
• IT literate with advanced knowledge of Microsoft Excel.

KarlDrake

Easy:)
PMd it to you.

jimoc

Nama? or 'Bank left with no loans on its book after Nama took them all'

KarlDrake

Sleepy wrote: »

flash harry - where possible, I don't.

Just took a quick look at the NRF, first time I'd heard of them but tbh, it seems no different to SIMI or IAVI: a lobby group attempting to spin a notion of 'self regulation' in an unregulated industry.

Interestingly, you're the second recruiter to volunteer to figure out who's advertising the position for the OP. No honour among thieves, eh?

I'm not a recruiter. I used to be one though and would have no ethical qualms about going back to it in the future despite a lot of people with attitudes similar to yours. Do you think it's possible that there could be such a thing as an ethical recruiter?
A lot of the negativity I hear on these issues strikes me as equal to blaming undertakers for cancer.
Ask somebody who got a dream job through a recruiter who knows what they're doing what they think.

Dempo1

Sleepy wrote: »

I'll not take lectures in ethics from a recruitment consultant tbh.

The entire industry is of little value, seems to do more harm than good to most people's job-hunting efforts (in terms of time wasted, difficulty in finding genuine jobs on websites and lowering salaries to allow a company to give the agency it's commission) and unless it falls under some serious regulation in the near future, I can only see it's decline in the face of networking sites like linkedin.

Why any employer would engage the services of a recruitment firm is still beyond me. They're a very expensive means of sifting through a few CV's.

Why do you think the cowboys will be gone soon enough? The entire structure of the industry (with payment being almost entirely commission based) encourages unethical behaviour by those in it so in a recession, I'd imagine only the most cut-throat will survive. Unless there's some regulation on the way I haven't heard about, I can only see the cowboys continuing to dominate the market.

Sorry just came across this, could not agree more, absolute chancers work in recruitment. My Field has been destroyed by cowboy practices and recession or not, it still continues. Seems the day of regulation are gone out the window, all you need now is a website, mobile number and a neck as tough as a Jockeys B"£$%X:)