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50th anniversary of closure Valentia Railway Newstalk NOW 9PM

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  • 30-01-2010 10:03pm
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    Judgement Day
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    Jim Deegan of Railtours Ireland presents a programme on Newstalk to commemorate the closure of the Farranfore/Valentia Harbour railway in 1959.


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    Cookie_Monster
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    i was listening to the first 10-12 minutes of that in the car earlier, very good. pity I had to get out and go to the pub :(

    Must check if it available on podcast of if it'll be repeated


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    Lifelike
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    If they reopened that railway line it would be a great tourist attraction. The continent has many scenic railways, and this would be our only one.


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    Judgement Day
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    Lifelike wrote: »
    If they reopened that railway line it would be a great tourist attraction. The continent has many scenic railways, and this would be our only one.

    What about the one at Dromod? :rolleyes:


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    JHMEG
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    What about the one at Dromod? :rolleyes:
    He said scenic. The Dromod line goes goes from the station to the end of the adjacent field.


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    stevielenihan
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    JHMEG wrote: »
    He said scenic. The Dromod line goes goes from the station to the end of the adjacent field.

    will the farranfore to valientina railway eve reopen again as a railway?


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    Judgement Day
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    No.


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    With the amount of money that was wasted on plans, paperwork and land purchased for various Dublin white elephant underground projects they could have easily restored this line.

    I pass the area once a year and still cant get over the craftsmanship that was put into the line.


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    CIE
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    stevielenihan wrote: »
    will the farranfore to valientina railway eve(r) reopen again as a railway?
    If I ever win the sweeps, I'll do it.


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    corktina
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    If they had never closed that railway it would be a tourist attraction, not a huge one mind, not a profitable one..there just arent enough tourists in Ireland to support a line there. (Giants Causeway might be just about the only line that might have a chance and that was narra guage and electric). However they DID close it and it wont reopen without mega-euro investment which we havent got and wont have in my lifetime or yours.

    PS doent this thread now deserve to be in train and rail systems?


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    stevielenihan
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    corktina wrote: »
    If they had never closed that railway it would be a tourist attraction, not a huge one mind, not a profitable one..there just arent enough tourists in Ireland to support a line there. (Giants Causeway might be just about the only line that might have a chance and that was narra guage and electric). However they DID close it and it wont reopen without mega-euro investment which we havent got and wont have in my lifetime or yours.

    PS doent this thread now deserve to be in train and rail systems?

    its a big pity it closed if it reopened it would be very handy.


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    Partizan
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    corktina wrote: »
    If they had never closed that railway it would be a tourist attraction, not a huge one mind, not a profitable one..there just arent enough tourists in Ireland to support a line there. (Giants Causeway might be just about the only line that might have a chance and that was narra guage and electric). However they DID close it and it wont reopen without mega-euro investment which we havent got and wont have in my lifetime or yours.

    PS doent this thread now deserve to be in train and rail systems?

    That's the jist of it. No money around to reopen it and in times of plenty, not the political will either. Like the Waterford - Tramore line, it will never ever reopen. Once the track is lifted and land sold off, that's it. The End.

    As for the other mothballed lines, (Athlone - Mullingar, Limerick - Foynes) not even the Annual Chicken Dinner excursion could save them.


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    corktina
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    I think perhaps we should ask for a sep-erate comestibles forum....keep us out of trouble


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    mk6705
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    stevielenihan wrote: »
    corktina wrote: »
    If they had never closed that railway it would be a tourist attraction, not a huge one mind, not a profitable one..there just arent enough tourists in Ireland to support a line there. (Giants Causeway might be just about the only line that might have a chance and that was narra guage and electric). However they DID close it and it wont reopen without mega-euro investment which we havent got and wont have in my lifetime or yours.

    PS doent this thread now deserve to be in train and rail systems?

    its a big pity it closed if it reopened it would be very handy.

    No it wouldn't. It would be a good tourist railway, especially with the views around Kells, Mountain Stage, Glenbeigh etc. but realistically the tracks are lifted and there are just two towns on the line, each pretty small, especially Caherciveen. So it's unlikely to happen.

    In relation to the line, the best feature is probably the Gleesk viaduct (or bridge, whatever.) Very impressive looking from the N70.


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    corktina
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    there wouldnt be enough tourists in ireland in any one year to make it any where near viable even if it was gifted the cost of construction


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    Partizan wrote: »
    blah blah blah Annual Chicken Dinner excursion blah

    C&T Charter applys here too, and specifically restricts Chicken Dinner references (and I've no doubt you know this).

    Banned for 3 days for Trolling.


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    Partizan wrote: »
    That's the jist of it. No money around to reopen it and in times of plenty, not the political will either. Like the Waterford - Tramore line, it will never ever reopen.

    I read an article on the Waterford & Tramore a while ago that suggested it was actually making a profit when closed! I wonder what loadings would be like on it today... indeed how would it have been operated through the 70s and beyond, considering it's lack of a connection to the rest of the network. Maybe an AEC set or two would been kept on longer.


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    stevielenihan
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    Niles wrote: »
    I read an article on the Waterford & Tramore a while ago that suggested it was actually making a profit when closed! I wonder what loadings would be like on it today... indeed how would it have been operated through the 70s and beyond, considering it's lack of a connection to the rest of the network. Maybe an AEC set or two would been kept on longer.



    The farranfore top valientia harbour line will reopen in the future i just read it some where


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    Judgement Day
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    stevielenihan wrote: »
    The farranfore top valientia harbour line will reopen in the future i just read it some where

    In your tea leaves perhaps?

    Can we expect to see this appended to all your previous....will the x line reopen posts? :D


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    mk6705
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    stevielenihan wrote: »
    Niles wrote: »
    I read an article on the Waterford & Tramore a while ago that suggested it was actually making a profit when closed! I wonder what loadings would be like on it today... indeed how would it have been operated through the 70s and beyond, considering it's lack of a connection to the rest of the network. Maybe an AEC set or two would been kept on longer.



    The farranfore top valientia harbour line will reopen in the future i just read it some where

    Considering all the rails and sleepers have been lifted and sold, there's no demand for transporting livestock by rail, Farranfore station is a shadow of it's former self and the fact that the biggest of the two towns served on the route is Killorglin, I highly doubt it. I'd love to be able to see the view from the line though. But then I guess I could just walk up the hill at Mountain Stage.


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    corktina
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    Reopen as a cycle track perhaps? If "they" spend 1c on reopening it as a Railway, I'm going on hunger strike (just as soon as I've finished the turkey off)


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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    With the amount of money that was wasted on plans, paperwork and land purchased for various Dublin white elephant underground projects they could have easily restored this line.

    I pass the area once a year and still cant get over the craftsmanship that was put into the line.
    Ah yes, the old Dublin bashing thing again.

    Let's see, Dublin, has an inadequate railway system with ALL of its railways oversubscribed, population better than 1,000,000+. Their projects have been deferred, not because they were "white elephants" but because there is simply no money to build them.

    Co. Kerry, rural county with presumably lots of one off housing, old railway connecting one old harbour with one small town. Kerry also has plenty of railway-miles and its service is more than adequate.

    So, railways for a densely crowded centre where they're badly needed, versus some Internet crank-talk about an old railway from nowhere to nowhere, that's even less well known than the Western Rail Corridor Sligo-Claremorris, and probably would be even less viable, if that is possible. Methinks you should re-consider the terms "white elephant" and "waste."

    The "parish pump" is alive and well.


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