Taxation on Home made Biodiesel from waste veg oil for personal use? whats the law?

JasonBourne

well the question is really in the title, Taxation on Home made Biodiesel from waste veg oil for personal use...... is there any and what are the laws? i rang the revenue commission today and they thought i was mad....!

Esel

Do a search on this forum. There are a few threads about this and/or using new vegetable oil. I think the consensus is Revenue don't want to know.....

Atlantic Dawn

In the UK your supposed to keep a note of the amount of fuel you use and then pay the duty annually to HM Customs, sort of open to massive abuse I would say.

JasonBourne

hmmmm sounds interesting. so what happens if i got dipped i wonder?

argosy2006

JasonBourne wrote: »

hmmmm sounds interesting. so what happens if i got dipped i wonder?

they dont care as long as its not green,, their is people selling biodiesel and vegetable oil legally minus de duty,,

alias no.9

Technically you have to pay duty and vat on any fuel but there is no mechanism by which an individual like yourself can pay it.

mossfort

i think in the uk there is a limit on the amount of bio diesel you can make and store at any one time without paying any duty but i dont know what about here.

Guy:Incognito

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

In the UK your supposed to keep a note of the amount of fuel you use and then pay the duty annually to HM Customs, sort of open to massive abuse I would say.

Would have thought these guys would be the people to give it to no? http://www.revenue.ie/en/index.html

Atlantic Dawn

Stekelly wrote: »

Would have thought these guys would be the people to give it to no? http://www.revenue.ie/en/index.html

Not in the UK they are not

mossfort

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Not in the UK they are not

the goverment here arent able to sort out the potholes not alone sort out an exemption of duty on biodiesel not even john gormless gormally .

mickdw

The government will just wait until its worth thinking about, i.e. when lots of us have spent alot of cash of bio diesel set ups. They will then stick a crazy tax on it making the whole thing no longer cost effective. Having said that, it will still be impossible to work out how much you are using etc.

r3nm0r3RASCAL

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

In the UK your supposed to keep a note of the amount of fuel you use and then pay the duty annually to HM Customs, sort of open to massive abuse I would say.

I would have thought you'd give it to the revenue? http://www.revenue.ie/en/index.html

746watts

Just to clarify for non chemistry people reading.... vegetable oil is not biodiesel.
Biodiesel is made via chemical reactions from veggie oil. Sodium hydroxide breaks veggie oil (triglycerides) into monoglycerides. Methanol is then added to convert the monoglycerides into alkyl esters (biodiesel) Careful washing must be done to remove left over methanol as much as possible from the bio as is eats rubber seals in fuel systems.
Usually (and what I think OP is asking about---EDIT correction, I understand biodiesel does attract a fuel duty to be paid) adding veggie oil directly to the tank to mix with normal road diesel works perfectly fine and is legal (unless a law was changed recently) without any duty to be paid. Ireland, Austria and Australia do not apply a duty to be paid for using veggie oil. UK and other euro countries do charge a duty.
On the matter of dipping, veggie oil is the same colour as diesel and mixes homogeniously so don't worry. The mixture of veggie oil to diesel must not exceed the viscosity range of the injector pump and/or injectors or the engine won't rev high enough coz it can't get the fuel in.
I wouldn't use used veggie oil even if it was filtered as preservative salts used in food may still be dissolved in the veg oil after filtering and may wear the inside of the combustion chamber.
My old trooper ran on a 50:50 mix of new veggie/diesel mix with no loss of power or fuel economy, but back then veggie oil in Lidl was 69c/litre and diesel was near €1.42. Now it's €1 or so and possibly not worth the effort.

JHMEG

r3nm0r3RASCAL wrote: »

I would have thought you'd give it to the revenue? http://www.revenue.ie/en/index.html

There was a thread a while back. Someone tried repeatedly to get an answer out of the Revenue over the phone but was only met with Dumb and Dumber who didn't give a toss.

galwaytt

JHMEG wrote: »

There was a thread a while back. Someone tried repeatedly to get an answer out of the Revenue over the phone but was only met with Dumb and Dumber who didn't give a toss.

Exactly, so if they don't give a toss, why on earth should Joe Punter ?

If have the wherewithal to make your diodiesel -just make it and use it.

chipper

746watts wrote: »

I wouldn't use used veggie oil even if it was filtered as preservative salts used in food may still be dissolved in the veg oil after filtering and may wear the inside of the combustion chamber..

good advice, but not correct. sugar and salt do not dissolve in vegetable oil ! try it, doesnt matter how hot you get the oil or how long you stirr it, they wont dissolve. I too ran my pajero on fresh oil from lidl when it was cheap. but it then mysteriously doubled in price ! how the hell did that happen ? was their a war on weeds that i didnt know about ! i think the stores or suppliers coped on to people runing their cars on it and jacked the price up, their is no other reason. has anyone here tryed making bio-diesel from used vegetable oil ? i would love to make a system for doing that.

Ghost Estate

don't worry about it, the shaggers will come up with some other new tax for you to pay if they're stuck for money (which they are)

Matt Simis

Ive emailed Revenue (Transit area?) on this, its extremely confusing how they expect people to be able to conform to the law without actually advising them what the law is.