Incident last night

angrystudent

Long story short my house was broken into last night. I went to the gardai station last night to report it. I was very insulted by what the gardai said to me. He obviously got it off pulse. Two questions if I apply under the data protection act would it mark my card as such if I tried to apply for the gardai at a later date?

Also who can change things on pulse, I was chatting to a fairly high up friend today, basically be said be couldn't and didn't know who could.

Thanks for all replies the gardai were excellent last night

gent9662

what did he say to you and what is on pulse?

angrystudent

angrystudent wrote: »

Long story short my house was broken into last night. I went to the gardai station last night to report it. I was very insulted by what the gardai said to me. He obviously got it off pulse. Two questions if I apply under the data protection act would it mark my card as such if I tried to apply for the gardai at a later date?

Also who can change things on pulse, I was chatting to a fairly high up friend today, basically be said be couldn't and didn't know who could.

Thanks for all replies the gardai were excellent last night

Ring your local district office about how to go about finding out the procedure about applying for the information held on you. (I'd tell you but I don't know.)

Regarding being insulted, three options;

1. Forget about it.
2. Contact the garda's supervisor and sort things out informally.
3. Contact the ombudsman.

donvito99

angrystudent wrote: »

Long story short my house was broken into last night. I went to the gardai station last night to report it. I was very insulted by what the gardai said to me. He obviously got it off pulse. Two questions if I apply under the data protection act would it mark my card as such if I tried to apply for the gardai at a later date?

Also who can change things on pulse, I was chatting to a fairly high up friend today, basically be said be couldn't and didn't know who could.

Thanks for all replies the gardai were excellent last night

I have no clue what he just said...

gent9662

I have to agree I have no idea what you are talking about.

Bosco boy

angrystudent wrote: »

Long story short my house was broken into last night. I went to the gardai station last night to report it. I was very insulted by what the gardai said to me. He obviously got it off pulse. Two questions if I apply under the data protection act would it mark my card as such if I tried to apply for the gardai at a later date?

Also who can change things on pulse, I was chatting to a fairly high up friend today, basically be said be couldn't and didn't know who could.

Thanks for all replies the gardai were excellent last night

Talk to the Sergeant I/c of the station and discuss what happened with him/her, The District office will ask him/her to deal with it anyway. The ombudsman wont deal with it because its very minor and the gardai will end up dealing with it if at all. You state that you were insulted by the gardai yet say they were excellent???. The details you give as far too vague to make any kind of judgement on what happened. If you make a complaint you should be able to stand over it and it wont go against you applying for the gardai unless it turned out to be false. :cool:

angrystudent

Bosco boy wrote: »

Talk to the Sergeant I/c of the station and discuss what happened with him/her, The District office will ask him/her to deal with it anyway. The ombudsman wont deal with it because its very minor and the gardai will end up dealing with it if at all. You state that you were insulted by the gardai yet say they were excellent???. The details you give as far too vague to make any kind of judgement on what happened. If you make a complaint you should be able to stand over it and it wont go against you applying for the gardai unless it turned out to be false. :cool:

Always one thorn in a rose bush, he could've been having a bad day. im not intending to complain about him, basically i feel that what is on pulse about me maybe shouldnt be there.

An example of my situation would be, I am in a car that gets pulled over, gardai asks what are you doing around here. Driver responds looking for a prostitute. Cue me going into gardai station yesterday, gardai takes my name says i hope your not coming in here looking for prostitues. Not the actually senario but not far off.

Its not an issue about me standing over any compliant i havent made any.

How does one go about applying to the data protection?
Thanks for the replies.

Bosco boy

angrystudent wrote: »

Always one prick in a rose bush, he could've been having a bad day. im not intending to complain about him, basically i feel that what is on pulse about me maybe shouldnt be there.

An example of my situation would be, I am in a car that gets pulled over, gardai asks what are you doing around here. Driver responds looking for a prostitute. Cue me going into gardai station yesterday, gardai takes my name says i hope your not coming in here looking for prostitues. Not the actually senario but not far off.

Its not an issue about me standing over any compliant i havent made any.

How does one go about applying to the data protection?
Thanks for the replies.

I'd leave it be, myself

Whitewater-AGS

Well its true what they say you can pick your friends and not your family!
If what you mentioned above is not far off the mark well then it deserves to be on pulse and you should find smarter friends.

AlekSmart

An example of my situation would be, I am in a car that gets pulled over, gardai asks what are you doing around here. Driver responds looking for a prostitute. Cue me going into gardai station yesterday, gardai takes my name says i hope your not coming in here looking for prostitues. Not the actually senario but not far off.

Assuming that You were not the driver of the car mentioned then you at the very least deserve an apology for an unwarranted remark.
Come to think of it,even if you WERE the driver and had not recieved a caution,or any other official warning then that Member had no business at all making such a comment,offhand or not.

This is the second thread in recent times to raise the innapropriate use of Pulse information and whilst not generally being seen as a hill-o-beans by the AGS folks here,I feel it is all pointing towards the building of a certain scenario.

The AGS authorities continually make much of the trust bewteen the force and those it strives to protect.
Apparently offhand incidents such as this only serve to chip away at that Trust....?

Information is power,and that`s pretty much universally recognised.

However,innapropriate and wanton disregard for the use of such power rapidly and smoothly decends into a situation whereby that power becomes abused.

Oddly enough,had you been in that Garda barrack as a person charged with an offence,and the same remark was made to you,it`s likely that any reasonable barrister would have a nice "get-you-out-of-jail" card straight away.

However,in this case the smart-money seems to say leave it be...so perhaps it`s best to build that bridge and get over it ?

cushtac

AlekSmart wrote: »

Oddly enough,had you been in that Garda barrack as a person charged with an offence,and the same remark was made to you,it`s likely that any reasonable barrister would have a nice "get-you-out-of-jail" card straight away.

How do you make that one out then?

Whitewater-AGS

I'd like to know how its a misuse???

eroo

Garda barrack? In fairness..

OP, that was just a smart remark. Maybe he was having a bad day. Maybe he wasn't. I would just let it be. Also, no offense intended but if that comment bothers you, you may want to rethink applying to join the Gardai because the comments you'll receive on duty will be so much worse, and the banter on your unit will be something else!

Odysseus

eroo wrote: »

Garda barrack? In fairness..

OP, that was just a smart remark. Maybe he was having a bad day. Maybe he wasn't. I would just let it be. Also, no offense intended but if that comment bothers you, you may want to rethink applying to join the Gardai because the comments you'll receive on duty will be so much worse, and the banter on your unit will be something else!

I don't know eroo, I regularly get quite strongly verbally abused or threatened by clients of the service I work in. Most cases water off a ducks back;), however, abuse from another professional is something quite different. I'm always polite to members of AGS when I have any dealing with them and expect the same back. I really think they are two different cases if you get my point.

Edit:
We all have bad days, and we all make mistakes in dealing with people, but the bad day thing doesn't really excuse it. I just took care of a situation today, where another professional tried the bad day excuse with me. The thing is and this goes for all professionals who work with people, people remember the smart fcukers, and then tend to label that profession with it. I'm not saying its right, but sadly that is what happens with a lot of people.

Ian Beale

angrystudent wrote: »

Long story short my house was broken into last night. I went to the gardai station last night to report it. I was very insulted by what the gardai said to me. He obviously got it off pulse. Two questions if I apply under the data protection act would it mark my card as such if I tried to apply for the gardai at a later date?

Also who can change things on pulse, I was chatting to a fairly high up friend today, basically be said be couldn't and didn't know who could.

No, sure all you'd be asking for is what information is being held.

angrystudent wrote: »

An example of my situation would be, I am in a car that gets pulled over, gardai asks what are you doing around here. Driver responds looking for a prostitute. Cue me going into gardai station yesterday, gardai takes my name says i hope your not coming in here looking for prostitues. Not the actually senario but not far off.

To be fair now he might have thought what he said to you was a joke and that you'd take it as such, personally if a Garda said that to me I'd reply with "I am, are you walking or working;)"

Bosco boy

AlekSmart wrote: »

Assuming that You were not the driver of the car mentioned then you at the very least deserve an apology for an unwarranted remark.
Come to think of it,even if you WERE the driver and had not recieved a caution,or any other official warning then that Member had no business at all making such a comment,offhand or not.

This is the second thread in recent times to raise the innapropriate use of Pulse information and whilst not generally being seen as a hill-o-beans by the AGS folks here,I feel it is all pointing towards the building of a certain scenario.

The AGS authorities continually make much of the trust bewteen the force and those it strives to protect.
Apparently offhand incidents such as this only serve to chip away at that Trust....?

Information is power,and that`s pretty much universally recognised.

However,innapropriate and wanton disregard for the use of such power rapidly and smoothly decends into a situation whereby that power becomes abused.

Oddly enough,had you been in that Garda barrack as a person charged with an offence,and the same remark was made to you,it`s likely that any reasonable barrister would have a nice "get-you-out-of-jail" card straight away.

However,in this case the smart-money seems to say leave it be...so perhaps it`s best to build that bridge and get over it ?

Thats a serious get out of jail card alright, I think your watching too much Law and Order on TV. Time to get a life and sense of humour!

Shield

Bosco boy wrote: »

Time to get a life and sense of humour!

On this forum, we attack the post, not the poster. I don't want to see this again.

angrystudent

Too answer a few questions no I wasn't the driver of the car and in the actually situation the driver didn't respond with something illegal. It just sounded very far featched but true.

I wouldn't be annoyed as such if firstly he was the gardai I was dealing with rather than someone who just heard my name obviously checked came back with that remark left again and came back with another stupid remark. If I'm being honest I'm more annoyed because I felt it was an attempt to demean the compliant and attack my credibilite.

Can any gardai please answer a few questions on pulse please. Who can change information held on it. Also evwrytime you check someone it's recorded. Who did it, does it require you too fill in why?

Thank you very much for the replies.

Edit sorry for calling that chap a pr!ck

Bosco boy

psni wrote: »

On this forum, we attack the post, not the poster. I don't want to see this again.

sorry if i hurt anyones feelings!

bravestar

angrystudent wrote: »

Edit sorry for calling that chap a pr!ck

So why call him that, maybe you were also having a bad day.

angrystudent

bravestar wrote: »

So why call him that, maybe you were also having a bad day.

I didn't call him a pr!ck, in the first post I said the gardai were excellent. Then someone said why did you say they were excellent if your complaining. Then a refferd to him as a pr!ck in a rose bush.

Shield

Grand, thanks for clearing that up.

Any AGS members able to answer the OP's question on PULSE without breaching anything?

da__flash

call to your local station ask for the srg and direct your questions to him and im sure he will more then likely give you the info that you seek...

AlekSmart

sorry if i hurt anyones feelings!

Not a chance Boscoboy,I`ve got my Mk11 Tinfoil hat and anti-offence waistcoat on

Thats a serious get out of jail card alright

However,as GOOJ cards go such a remark,even off-the-cuff,especially if it could be corroborated,would be more than enough corned beef for a well versed SC to put in a sandwich.

The halls of justice ring out with the wild and madcap excuses of the accused.....whether blind drunk Government Ministers driving the wrong way down a Motorway or handbag snatching drug-abusers who found the stuff lying on the ground......The commonality is that some of these chancers DO get away with it....so my thought in relation to that Member at the Station would be "A shut mouth catches No flies"....

Dermot Illogical

angrystudent wrote: »

Can any gardai please answer a few questions on pulse please. Who can change information held on it. Also evwrytime you check someone it's recorded. Who did it, does it require you too fill in why?

IMHO you should talk to the Sergeant in charge at your local station. Let him/her know your concerns. Alternatively, write to your local Superintendent. It's in everyone's interest that the information on PULSE is accurate, so shouldn't be difficult to sort out.
I can't give you specifics on the workings of PULSE, I'm afraid..

Turner

angrystudent wrote: »

Too answer a few questions no I wasn't the driver of the car and in the actually situation the driver didn't respond with something illegal. It just sounded very far featched but true.

I wouldn't be annoyed as such if firstly he was the gardai I was dealing with rather than someone who just heard my name obviously checked came back with that remark left again and came back with another stupid remark. If I'm being honest I'm more annoyed because I felt it was an attempt to demean the compliant and attack my credibilite.

Can any gardai please answer a few questions on pulse please. Who can change information held on it. Also evwrytime you check someone it's recorded. Who did it, does it require you too fill in why?

Thank you very much for the replies.

Edit sorry for calling that chap a pr!ck

Pulse is constantly being updated by all members of the Gardai.

Generally anything a Garda takes down in their notebook, goes on pulse.

Im afraid if any Gardai were to post here about the workings of pulse and what is held on pulse they would leave themselves open to disciplinary action.

Try looking for what is in the public domain, maybe googling it.

Hope this helps.

O/P if you were a passenger in a car that was kerb crawling, the gardai obviously detected an offence with regard to your driver. You would have been added as a witness to the incident. If your friend had been prosecuted you would have been most likely summonsed as a witness for the prosecution.

It was wrong that the Garda mentioned it to you at the desk, maybe he was trying to identify you using the info held about you on pulse? But yeah he should have done it differently in my opinion.

cushtac

AlekSmart wrote: »

However,as GOOJ cards go such a remark,even off-the-cuff,especially if it could be corroborated,would be more than enough corned beef for a well versed SC to put in a sandwich.

You still haven't explained how such a remark would get him off, and unless you're going to the circuit court you're not going to get a barrister, never mind SC.

AlekSmart

You still haven't explained how such a remark would get him off

All hypothetical I know,but if our OP were to be charged with some offence unrelated to the original "Friends Stop" scenario then the Off-the-Cuff remark by the Desk Garda could well be taken to indicate that that particular member was already of a biased mind.

Again,to my mind,it would not be a leap of faith to then enquire as to how many other Members in that station were also swayed as to their attitude to the OP.

It`s not beyond the bounds of probability that even suggesting such a thing might plant a seed in the fertile enquiring mind of a Judge ?

However since our OP was at the Station to Report stuff rather than to have his collar felt the remark is even more difficult to comprehend.

Once again,it`s hypothetical,but in real life,sometimes the most UNlikely scenario`s are the one`s which grow legs and run and run.....Just look at the re-emergence of John O Donoghue for a flavour of what I`m trying to get across !

Turner

Its nice to have everything cleared up.

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