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Decisions, decisions....
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27-01-2010 8:53pm#1
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Midnight_EG wrote: »Honda Insight?
Saw one in the flesh today, and tbh it looks gorgeous from the outside.
It's a hybrid, therefore inherantly evil and wrong.:)0 -
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..which means they're not the way forward. You think it's the way forward, in the future, when - or if - it works. If they get it to work better than 'conventional' technology..........Just to compliment the OP original insight.
Yes, Hybrids and Hyrdrogen cars are the way forward but we are nowhere near it at the moment so you should consider something else.
But there again, in the same future, the way to go for electricity generation is by Fusion, but that's not sorted yet either. Fission is here, but it's........er...........'buggy'.......sometimes
...so that's the Prius out then.Diesel, low emmisions cars like the Volvo DrivE or the VW Bluemotion as examples of low CO2 cars are the way to go........................right now at least.Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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I have, and it didn't feel remotely like what the blurb said it would.A lot of posters seem to feel free to post expert opinions on the Prius even though they have never driven one, or a least haven't driven one for more than a week.
Actually, the opposite, a diesel is more suitable for the driving OP described.For the motoring requirements the op is talking about a hybrid is more suitable than a Diesel.
Not only is that incorrect, it's incorrect by a huge amount. A friend of mine drives a 99 Skoda Octavia 1.9tdi automatic - averages 48mpg commuting, reliable as hell, and it's about 20k cheaper than an Prius. It's also service-able, and repairable if need be, by any mechanic. A Prius won't come near that economy. And the boot of a Prius isn't exaclty voluminous, either.......If anybody wants good mpg and must have an Automatic there is little or nothing to touch a Hybrid.
I don't doubt that for a second. However, as many people can attest to lately...........clever electronics and water - our national staple - don't mix so well. Lot's of cars written off this winter for this.........what chances a hybrid ? (dunno, just asking)The Prius is a car Built and designed by engineers and is full of good suprises and useful tech, from the high strength bodyshell to the very clever electronics.
Again, there's nothing wrong with the physical car, that's not in dispute. What's at issue is the fact that it's more successful as a marketing, rather than engineering project. Modern combustion engines are still making (big) strides in efficiency, and I'll wager will continue to do so, and more cheaply.It also has one of the highest owner satisfaction ratings of any car in the world both from enthusiasts and non petrol heads.
...you'll get no argument from me on that, either !It also has the most aggressive and most devisive replies on any motoring Forum.
And whilst Prii batteries haven't evolved into a market, the watch-word is.......yet. Even Toyota predict they have a circa 10yr life cycle, so it's only in the NEXT 10 years that we'll see one.Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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I think it's a case of 'agree to disagree' here. I like the technology and urban MPG of the Prius as well as the auto, but chances are I'd go for a diesel auto Passat or Superb in real life, simply because the performance is better and it's easier and cheaper to work on because I can fix it myself. Oh, and I can chip it if I want
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No, lots of 1.4 and 1.6 Diesels out there: Ford, Peugeot, Citroen, Skoda, Fiat, Volvo, Renault, the list goes on. All build a variety of cars, in all specs and types, (auto/leather etc etc, if that's what you're looking for), and a huge amount of them qualify for A & B tax rates.
I don't know what you're looking for, but a Peugeot 308 SE would be worth a test drive. Skoda Octavia another obvious choice.
All for a lot less than a Prius, and cheaper to run and maintain, too.
Heck, I'd go drive them all !
You've certainly given me food for thought, and your last piece of advice is one I will certainly be taking on board. The diesels make sense on the rural runs, but I feel that they will lose out in the urban environment 
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But without being able to go out and buy new, I'm going to be limited to what's out there.0 -
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The diesels make sense on the rural runs, but I feel that they will lose out in the urban environment..
The manufacturers MPG figures are given on an average mixed journey. So a prius doing 60mpg and a diesel doing 60mpg is the same. Thats for the full 60 miles. For the diesel thats using a gallon of diesel over that 60miles. The Prius is still using a gallon of (more expensive ) petrol even though some of it's journey is done using the electric motor.0 -
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Yes & yes also i'd rate a Prius as a 3 series or A4 Automatic alternative not comparable to an automatic diesel Octavia especially when it comes to status.
Check out www.priuschat.com & see how enthusiastic owners get about them
Status? What status?
I remember when the mere mention of the word Skoda produced howls of ridicule. Everybody slated them.
Has being owned by Volkswagon given it some sort of acceptable social standing?:rolleyes:
But then again, half the taxi drivers in Dublin can't all be wrong, can they?
I had a quick look at your link, but I would still like to hear from the Irish perspective, after all it is Ireland that I'll be driving in, not America.
Looks like I still have some thinking to do yet, so I'll keep an open mind and look at every piece of advice on it's merits.
(I still think that Hybrids are the way to go, but I will have to look more into the highs and lows of them)0 -
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