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Hutton inquiry closed David Kelly medical reports for 70 years

  • 27-01-2010 2:59pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭


    Hutton inquiry closed David Kelly medical reports for 70 years, (OHH LOOK!, HE LOOKS LIKE A TERRORIST OVER THERE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE LITTLE DR KELLY MATTER AFTER WE GET ALL THESE TERRORISTS, By Me).
    Five doctors who made an application to the Oxford coroner to have the inquest reopened have been told Lord Hutton made a ruling in 2003 to keep medical reports and photographs closed for 70 years. "This is a revelation," said Michael Powers QC, a former assistant coroner and expert in coronial law. "I can't think of anything that would justify these documents being treated any differently."
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/25/david-kelly-suicide-hutton-inquiry

    Now 70 fukking years?, D.C. Coe will be dead and buried, operation MASON will be forgotten.

    Entering the witness box at the Hutton Inquiry on 16th September 2003, one key figure stands out in the events surrounding Dr David Kelly's death. The fact that his testimony contradicts that of five previous witnesses has received no attention in the mainstream press and has failed to be brought out in the Inquiry itself. Moreover, the position of David Kelly's body prior to his arrival is different from its position when he leaves. This man is a British policeman: his name, Detective Constable Coe.
    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1164

    Gagging order on David Kelly records could be lifted
    "I requested that the postmortem report should not be disclosed for 70 years as I was concerned that the publication of that report would cause [Kelly's] daughters and his wife further and unnecessary distress," Hutton said.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/27/hutton-gagging-order-david-kelly

    Ohh how very thoughtful of him, considering their feelings now after telling them their father killed himself when he was infact murdered.

    Records on U.K. Scientist's Death Sealed until 2073
    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/25/world/worldwatch/entry6139105.shtml

    Ok they were secretly gagged for 70 years, this was only revealed a few days ago, WHY?, now lord hutton is saying they "may" be seen by the "5" doctors.

    Then he will show them to the 5 doctors(this was published before the above article which says he "may" )
    Confidential documents on death of Dr David Kelly to be released.

    It was reported at the weekend that the medical reports including the post-mortem examination findings by Dr Nicholas Hunt, a pathologist, and also photographs of Dr Kelly’s body, are to remain classified for 70 years.
    There is also a 30-year ban on publication of records provided to the inquiry but not produced in evidence.
    The restrictions on publication were notified to a group of doctors who are challenging the Hutton verdict, arguing that the evidence does not support suicide.
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7003861.ece

    Now according to hutton, Dr Kelly committed suicide, ok, so why the fukking 70 year gagging order that 5 doctors may see, or a doctor'd version, whatever, but WTF?, why 70 years for general publication?, CIA-JFK?


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Lab_Mouse


    Something doesnt ring true about his case at all.As shakespeare said something is rotten in the state of denmark!!

    I think is some serious doubt over whether his death was a suicide and the files being locked away for the 70 years(basicaly anyone involved will be long dead).

    One thing I find strange is that its known that war was started over false claims about WMD. That is good motive (possibly)for the murder of Dr Kelly.But what other information is there that in makes the uk government make the files hidden for 70 years.

    Will definitely be keeping an eye on this to see how it pans out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    I'm fairly convinced that there is something to this. It's not scientifically impossible or illogical so it's at least worth considering. But please, please, please don't connect it to lizards.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Lab_Mouse


    even if you leave aside the death of Dr. kelly ,everything else has been out in public domain for a few years.All the people who could suffer from it being made public,have all ready taken the hit,Tony blair , alaister cambell etc.

    What I want to know is the bit that isnt in the public domain and warrants being kept secret for 70 years.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    what would people say if after the Irish Bankin inquiry the Judge decided to seal the files for 70 years to avoid distress to the people involved????? would we riot?

    this is rather odd, isnt hiding the findings a direct contradiction to the concept of a coronial inquiry


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Lab_Mouse


    I think it might possibly be that coroner found either that he did commit suicide and was murdered OR it's open ended.

    And even then I dont think it would cause a government to hide the coroners report.Sure they could go yes it was murder but never really bother investigating it properly


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  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    A female colleague claims that the UN weapons inspector could not have committed suicide as claimed, as he was too weak to cut his own wrist. Mai Pedersen, a U.S. Air Force officer who served with Dr Kelly's inspection team in Iraq, said a hand and arm injury meant that the 59-year-old even 'had difficulty cutting his own steak'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    If he can cut a steak then cutting his wrists is a walk in the park.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Well his family think he was able to do it. And wasn't it a combination of the wounds and the painkillers affecting a weak heart that killed, or reportedly killed him, not just the wounds themselves.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    A female colleague claims that the UN weapons inspector could not have committed suicide as claimed, as he was too weak to cut his own wrist. Mai Pedersen, a U.S. Air Force officer who served with Dr Kelly's inspection team in Iraq, said a hand and arm injury meant that the 59-year-old even 'had difficulty cutting his own steak'.


    And yet his family see nothing suspect about his death. Weird Huh?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    humanji wrote: »
    Well his family think he was able to do it. And wasn't it a combination of the wounds and the painkillers affecting a weak heart that killed, or reportedly killed him, not just the wounds themselves.


    Theres also a good chance what ever painkillers he was on would be a Anticoagulant which would of assisted the bleed out greatly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Well, wasn't there reports of a lack of blood in the area? I can't remember if it was this or if I'm thinking of something else. I'll read up on it when I get a chance.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    If he can cut a steak then cutting his wrists is a walk in the park.

    that was a clever pun if it was intended.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Di0genes wrote: »
    And yet his family see nothing suspect about his death. Weird Huh?

    Yes it is weird that the family see nothing suspect with the Thames Valley police making them leave their home while they take down the wallpaper from their house on the night he died. BEFORE his body was found or that he slit his own wrist with a badly injured arm and hand without leaving any fingerprints on the knife. Weird huh?


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    humanji wrote: »
    Well, wasn't there reports of a lack of blood in the area? I can't remember if it was this or if I'm thinking of something else. I'll read up on it when I get a chance.
    this should save you some grief
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4089729.stm


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    Yes it is weird that the family see nothing suspect with the Thames Valley police making them leave their home while they take down the wallpaper from their house on the night he died. BEFORE his body was found or that he slit his own wrist with a badly injured arm and hand without leaving any fingerprints on the knife. Weird huh?


    Sources?


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Sources?

    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]New evidence surrounding the death of MoD scientist Dr David Kelly has added to suspicions that he was murdered, an MP has claimed.
    Liberal Democrat Norman Baker revealed no fingerprints were found on the penknife Dr Kelly apparently used to kill himself.
    The information was revealed after a Freedom of Information request to Thames Valley Police who conducted the immediate inquiry into his death.
    http://web.archive.org/web/20080118051723/http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6997401,00.html


    [/FONT]Rowena Thursby, a former publishing executive who became fascinated with the case and started looking into it, told us that Dr Kelly’s widow, Janice, admitted to her that on the night Dr Kelly was reported missing in July 2003 - but hours before his body was found -Thames Valley Police asked her and her daughters to leave their house and wait in the garden.

    It later emerged that while the Kellys were outside, officers stripped wallpaper from their sitting room. Why would they have done that? Could they have been ‘sweeping’ his property for listening devices?[FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289692/Dr-David-Kelly-The-damning-new-evidence-points-cover-Tony-Blairs-government.html?printingPage=true

    Since three of us wrote our letter to the Guardian on January 27, questioning whether Dr Kelly's death was suicide, we have received professional support for our view from vascular surgeon Martin Birnstingl, pathologist Dr Peter Fletcher, and consultant in public health Dr Andrew Rouse. We all agree that it is highly improbable that the primary cause of Dr Kelly's death was haemorrhage from transection of a single ulnar artery, as stated by Brian Hutton in his report.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2004/feb/12/davidkelly.huttonreport

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    Yes it is weird that the family see nothing suspect with the Thames Valley police making them leave their home while they take down the wallpaper from their house on the night he died.

    Source?

    [quote
    BEFORE his body was found or that he slit his own wrist with a badly injured arm and hand without leaving any fingerprints on the knife. Weird huh?[/QUOTE]

    You understand that fingerprints don't always get left on everything you touch? Right? If you've handled bleach or a variety of household chemicals recently it can affect the ability for fingerprints to leave marks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,560 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    Even the phrase 'slit his own wrists' was misleading and overly dramatic.

    The paramedics who initially attended noticed one small 1cm long incision near his left elbow. There were no incisions, deep or otherwise, in the area of his wrists.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    He was murdered pure and simple,
    Here's a link to the Hutton enquiry, anybody interested can read about DC Coe, the Thames Valley police officer who tampered with the crime scene, moved the body and contradicted what everybody else said, yet nothing was mentioned about it.

    http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/transcripts/hearing-trans33.htm

    http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/transcripts/hearing-trans26.htm

    Five witnesses said in their testimony that two men accompanied Coe. Yet, in his testimony, Coe maintained there was only one other beside himself. He was not questioned about the discrepancy.
    http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/operation_mason.html



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]New evidence surrounding the death of MoD scientist Dr David Kelly has added to suspicions that he was murdered, an MP has claimed.
    Liberal Democrat Norman Baker revealed no fingerprints were found on the penknife Dr Kelly apparently used to kill himself.
    The information was revealed after a Freedom of Information request to Thames Valley Police who conducted the immediate inquiry into his death.
    http://web.archive.org/web/20080118051723/http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6997401,00.html

    It rained the night Kelly died. Water? Grease? Not a good mix.

    A 2nd hand source, keeping in mind his family don't dispute the Hutton inquires findings. Are you really trying o say that Thursby is more interested in finding out the events surrounding Kelly's death, than his wife and kids?
    And they are other accounts that dispute this claim. One of the thing their arguments avoid is the length of time kelly was unaccounted for and the blood loss that would occur even from a shallow wound to the wrist. Not to mention Kelly's partaking of heavy duty pain killers.

    I recently had chance to speak to an addiction counsellor who told me that pretty much all you need to kill yourself is a couple of dozen paracetamol and a bottle of vodka.

    A Pen knife, some serious pain killers and plenty of time seems like a perfect recipe for a tragic and upsetting death. His family are happy with the results of the inquiry .

    Do you even grasp how distasteful your attitude is to them?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Do you even grasp how distasteful your attitude is to them?


    WTF?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    uprising2 wrote: »
    WTF?

    The family accept that he killed himself. They feel he was hounded and driven to a point of utter personal and professional desolation, trying to claim he couldn't have killed himself when his own family think he killed himself. Do you really think they need this nonsense consistently dragged up over half a decade later?


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Source?


    BEFORE his body was found or that he slit his own wrist with a badly injured arm and hand without leaving any fingerprints on the knife. Weird huh?

    Why in the name of all that is good did you ask for sources if you were just going to auto-reject them anyway?


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Do you even grasp how distasteful your attitude is to them?

    no explain it to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    Di0genes wrote: »
    The family accept that he killed himself. They feel he was hounded and driven to a point of utter personal and professional desolation, trying to claim he couldn't have killed himself when his own family think he killed himself. Do you really think they need this nonsense consistently dragged up over half a decade later?

    Ok, so why doesn't Hutton just release the medical reports??, surely it can't be that horrific, I mean if he slit his wrist, then he slit his wrist, lost a lot of blood and died, surely the family would feel better if the medical results were just released and prove he committed suicide, rather than having been murdered, it was in the paper again a few weeks ago, so surely putting it to bed would stop it springing up and up again.
    The re-opening of the case is understood to have the backing of several other Government members, including Transport minister Norman Baker, who believes Dr Kelly was murdered.
    Dr Kelly's body was found in woods close to his Oxfordshire home seven years ago next month. Although a coroner's inquest was set up to examine the 59-year-old's death, it was suspended.


    In its place the Government established the Hutton Inquiry. Unlike a coroner's inquest it had no statutory powers and did not require witnesses to give evidence under oath.

    Hutton concluded that Dr Kelly killed himself by cutting his left wrist with a blunt gardening knife after he was named as the source of a BBC news report questioning the Blair government's grounds for invading Iraq.



    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1284116/Tories-ready-reopen-Dr-David-Kelly-suicide-inquiry.html#ixzz0sUJTYR8d

    And nothing about this case raises any suspicion with you?, you simply accept it, I find that hard to believe, even the biggest "YesMen" have some suspicions about this one, but you don't, Amazing!, it just proves the power of the subject.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    uprising2 wrote: »
    Ok, so why doesn't Hutton just release the medical reports??,

    Because it's not common practice to release medical reports to the general public.
    surely it can't be that horrific, I mean if he slit his wrist, then he slit his wrist, lost a lot of blood and died, surely the family would feel better if the medical results were just released and prove he committed suicide, rather than having been murdered, it was in the paper again a few weeks ago, so surely putting it to bed would stop it springing up and up again.

    Because theres a vocal minority of conspiracy nut jobs who would seize the opportunity to claim there are "flaws" and "proof" he didn't kill himself, and drag the whole thing up again. People who will never be satisfied. Why should the family reignite the debate to satisfy goulish idiots.
    And nothing about this case raises any suspicion with you?,

    The Family are satisfied. Thats good enough for me.
    you simply accept it, I find that hard to believe, even the biggest "YesMen" have some suspicions about this one, but you don't, Amazing!, it just proves the power of the subject.

    Thats your problem not mine.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Because it's not common practice to release medical reports to the general public.
    yeah, but you dont see ANYTHING Suspicious about a 70 year gag

    Because theres a vocal minority of conspiracy nut jobs who would seize the opportunity to claim there are "flaws" and "proof" he didn't kill himself, and drag the whole thing up again. People who will never be satisfied. Why should the family reignite the debate to satisfy goulish idiots.
    because sometimes these 'Inquiries' are a load of utter Bollox

    *Cough* Saville *Cough* *Cough* ;)
    The Family are satisfied. Thats good enough for me.
    well thankfully there are people out there still intereswted in the truth.
    Thats your problem not mine.
    :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    yeah, but you dont see ANYTHING Suspicious about a 70 year gag

    Unless you can show me were it's standard to release medical records to public.

    because sometimes these 'Inquiries' are a load of utter Bollox

    *Cough* Saville *Cough* *Cough* ;)

    well thankfully there are people out there still intereswted in the truth.

    And I'll think you'll find the driving force behind the new inquiry into Bloody Sunday was the families of the victims.

    Suggesting a bunch of keyboard warriors and conspiracy theorists are more concerned about whether David Kelly was murdered than his wife and children is really low.
    :rolleyes:

    Seriously not a form of punctuation.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Unless you can show me were it's standard to release medical records to public.
    and vice versa where is it Normal to put a 70 year gag?



    And I'll think you'll find the driving force behind the new inquiry into Bloody Sunday was the families of the victims.
    Yes, due to the persistence of People
    Suggesting a bunch of keyboard warriors and conspiracy theorists are more concerned about whether David Kelly was murdered than his wife and children is really low.
    :mad:
    Seriously not a form of punctuation.
    :D


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    You think it's abnormal show me it isn't

    Yes people directly effected by the events. No one was more effected by the death of Kelly then his family, if there any substance to the surrounding odf his death they would be the first ones to cry foul.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    So it wasn't a hit-squad from Iraq so Ted?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    Di0genes wrote: »
    You think it's abnormal show me it isn't

    Is that a trick question?, it "IS" abnormal, why would anybody saying it is abnormal show you it isn't?
    So your saying a 70 year gagging order is normal, are you for real?, if it's so normal maybe show where this has happened in the past, if you can't then accept it is abnormal, which it is!.
    Di0genes wrote: »
    Yes people directly effected by the events. No one was more effected by the death of Kelly then his family, if there any substance to the surrounding odf his death they would be the first ones to cry foul.


    Ever think maybe their scared to rock the boat?, they cannot fight the whole establishment, which they would have to do, and the risk of an accident occuring maybe helped their decision.
    Remember Dr Kelly said "Many dark actors playing games", so maybe he warned his family in a less trivial way.
    A letter, leaked to The Mail on Sunday, revealed that a 30-year ban was placed on ‘records provided [which were] not produced in evidence’. This is thought to refer to witness statements given to the inquiry which were not disclosed at the time.
    http://judithmilleranddrdavidkellyandwmd.blogspot.com/2010/01/dr-kelly-hutton-records-locked-for-70.html

    But all in all, there is no justification in hiding these autopsy/medical reports, unless there is something to hide (murder), anybody who buy's the official verdict (suicide) need's a dose of reality.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)#Controversial_issues
    "I will probably be found dead in the woods"
    Fatality of ulnar artery cuts
    Little blood lost
    No fingerprints on knife
    Lack of formal inquest
    On 5 December 2009 six doctors began legal action to demand a formal inquest into the death, claiming there was "insufficient evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt he killed himself." However in January 2010, Lord Hutton ordered that all files relating to his post mortem remain secret for 70 years for reasons which he himself and the Ministry of Justice have not explained.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    It all depends on how you look at it:
    uprising2 wrote: »

    "I will probably be found dead in the woods"
    Was he simply stating that he intended to kill himself? It could have been a cry for help, after all, wasn't he suffering from stress and depression at the time?
    uprising2 wrote: »
    Fatality of ulnar artery cuts
    He died from a combination of the wounds and the bottle of pills he took. Together, it's possible that they killed him.
    uprising2 wrote: »
    Little blood lost
    Shallow wounds and it being cold outside could be the cause of this. But there was still blood loss. For a man with a heart condition, any amount of blood loss could be dangerous and again, added to the pills it could have lead to his death.
    uprising2 wrote: »
    No fingerprints on knife
    Was there no fingerprints on the knife, or no salvagable fingerprints on the knife? If prints were smudged, then the report would simply say they got no fingerprints from it. Not sure if anyone has a copy of the report which could make that clear?
    uprising2 wrote: »
    Lack of formal inquest
    Although odd, he did work for the MOD, and they've a tendency to keep things secret. That said, several Tory elements are currently trying to get the inquest reopened, so we'll see.

    Also, remember that Kelly firmly believed that there were WMD's in Iraq. Some CT'er contend that he claimed there weren't, but this is a misunderstanding of what he said. He said that the examples that were given (a couple fo mobile "chemical labs") couldn't have been what they were looking for. So there's less of a reason to murder him than was originally given.

    Psychologically, Kelly fit the profile for someone who would take their own life. He was under immense stress, he was being railroaded to some extend, and he really had no way out. He had a bad heart and a compbination of a bottle of pills and a certain amount of blood loss could easily lead to him losing consciousness and the cold would take care of the rest. The official story isn't implausible at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    humanji wrote: »
    The official story isn't implausible at all.

    Either is Bambi, but come-on.......................

    Ok just say I accept he committed suicide, the truth has prevailed and all that, then I hit another barrier while trying to convince my friend he committed suicide, he says to me "Yea but they won't release the autopsy results for another 70 years, they must be hiding something and a policeman moved the body", what should I say to convince him that everything is as they say it is?


    Any help much appreciated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    uprising2 wrote: »
    Either is Bambi, but come-on.......................

    Ok just say I accept he committed suicide, the truth has prevailed and all that, then I hit another barrier while trying to convince my friend he committed suicide, he says to me "Yea but they won't release the autopsy results for another 70 years, they must be hiding something and a policeman moved the body", what should I say to convince him that everything is as they say it is?


    Any help much appreciated.
    You tell them it's suspicious, but proof of nothing. There could be any number of reasons for it.

    If he was killed by a government that one would assume has people who specialise in that sort of thing, would you not think they'd have done a good job of it, instead of a horrifically sloppy one?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭TalkieWalkie


    Dr David Kelly was on a hitlist, says UN weapons expert as calls grow for full inquest.

    A leading UN weapons inspector last night added his voice to the growing clamour for a full inquest into the death of Dr David Kelly.

    Dr Richard Spertzl claimed Dr Kelly was on a 'hitlist' in the final years of his life.

    The former head of the UN Biological Section, who worked closely with Dr Kelly in Iraq in the 1990s, has written to Attorney General Dominic Grieve about the 'mysterious circumstances' surrounding the death.

    The weapons inspector's body was found after he was unmasked as the source of a damaging BBC news report questioning the grounds for the Iraq war.

    Officially, he took his own life.

    Yesterday Dr Spertzl told the Mail that the British authorities were 'intentionally ignoring' the issue.

    He believes that there is something 'fishy' and insisted that a coroner should examine the death as soon as possible.

    His demands come 24 hours after nine of Britain's leading medical experts wrote an open letter to minsters demanding a full inquest.

    Dr Spertzl said: 'I know that David, as well as myself and a couple of others, were on an Iraqi hitlist. In late 1997, we were told by the Russian embassy in Baghdad. I had no idea what it meant but apparently David and I were high on the priority list.'

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1302939/Dr-David-Kelly-hitlist-says-UN-weapons-expert-calls-grow-inquest.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#ixzz0wWiRNTOT


    article-1302939-0ACA13BE000005DC-569_468x230.jpg

    The Iraqi intelligence service did not take kindly to such action so my first reaction [to Dr Kelly's death] was "we'd better watch our backs".'

    No inquest has ever been held into Dr Kelly's death. Instead, a public inquiry chaired by Lord Hutton was set up to investigate the circumstances surrounding it.
    Inquest call: Dr Richard Spertzl claims he and Dr Kelly were on a hitlist

    Inquest call: Dr Richard Spertzl claims he and Dr Kelly were on a hitlist

    The inquiry ruled that the 59-year-old committed suicide in woodland near his Oxfordshire home in July 2003 by cutting the ulnar artery in his wrist with a blunt pruning knife.

    Dr Spertzl, who is based in Washington where he continues to write and lecture on biological weapons, said: 'My concern about David Kelly's death is exactly what the doctors are saying now - that is, it's virtually impossible to commit suicide by slashing your wrist in that way.

    'It just doesn't make sense. It seems to me that they [the British authorities] are intentionally ignoring all this. Something's fishy.'

    Yesterday some of the doctors who wrote to ministers demanded an end to the shroud of secrecy over the death.

    They want the official post-mortem results to be made public and for witnesses to give evidence under oath.

    Concern over the cause of death has been mounting after it emerged in January that all medical and scientific records, including the post-mortem report and photographs of the body, were secretly classified for 70 years in 2004.

    Sir Barry Jackson, past president of the British Academy of Forensic Science and one of the doctors who wrote to ministers, said yesterday: 'In my experience from 30 years as a practising surgeon I find it difficult to agree with the cause of death as listed on his death certificate.'
    Dr Kelly

    Another, Dr Elizabeth Driver, a solicitor and Fellow of the Royal College of Pathologists, added: 'As a pathologist I cannot understand how Dr Kelly could have died from blood loss of a severed ulnar artery. It makes no medical sense. Little is known about the medical facts because the post-mortem has been kept secret.

    'There are obvious questions which were not addressed in the inquiry.'

    Doubts over the official version of his death have previously been raised by Mai Pederson, a U.S. Air Force linguist who served in Iraq with Dr Kelly's weapons inspection team.

    She said he had a painful elbow injury which meant his hand was too weak to cut a steak.

    He would have to have been a 'contortionist' to have killed himself in the way the Hutton Inquiry claimed, she said.

    She also said he had a disorder that made it difficult to swallow pills, undermining Lord Hutton's claims that he took some himself.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1302939/Dr-David-Kelly-hitlist-says-UN-weapons-expert-calls-grow-inquest.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Ultimatley ya Could say Kelly comitted suicide.

    He knew enough about the People he was trying to expose to know they would Kill him, but he went on and exposed them anyway, then lo and behold the killed him.

    Thats the only way you would call it Suicide, Kelly should have been aware of what he brought upon himself.


    I notice a little bit of revisionism there where someone said that he DID believe the WMD's were there, then what was the kerfuffle about with him leaking to the BBC documents that showed they werent and that He along with the rest of the world had been fed a bag of Lies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    This story is back in the news at the moment, it just won't go away

    It was never suicide, says Dr Kelly's cousin as family finally breaks silence

    A close relative of Dr David Kelly broke the family's silence yesterday to voice fears that he was murdered.

    Wendy Wearmouth said she found it 'incredibly unlikely' that he committed suicide and suggested he was assassinated.


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1303674/Dr-David-Kellys-cousin-claims-did-commit-suicide.html#ixzz0wxsPyEBE

    Don't hide the truth over Dr David Kelly's death

    The case for a full inquest into the death of Dr David Kelly's death is unanswerable.
    Every suspicious loss of life should be examined by a coroner, an office dating back to medieval times, to explore forensically whether foul play was involved.
    Yet, inexplicably, Dr Kelly's end wasn't investigated by a corner, despite the huge controversy surrounding the 2003 death of the international weapons inspector.


    Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/opinion/voiceofthemirror/2010/08/17/don-t-hide-the-truth-over-dr-david-kelly-s-death-115875-22492897/#ixzz0wxt9BPxN


    'There is not a sliver of evidence to suggest he killed himself': Now suicide expert adds his voice to doubts over Dr Kelly verdict

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1303959/Dr-David-Kelly-Now-suicide-expert-adds-voice-doubts-verdict.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#ixzz0wxtOnDqu



    KELLY'S BLOOD EXPERT AT 1ST BIG JOB

    By Jon Clements 17/08/2010
    EXCLUSIVE: INVESTIGATION THE KELLY FILES
    A forensic scientist who investigated the death of Iraq war whistle-blower Dr David Kelly was a rookie on her first big case.
    The inexperienced assistant had never previously attended the scene of a suspicious death or unexplained killing, the Mirror can reveal.
    And in a separate development yesterday it was confirmed the pathologist who examined Dr Kelly is being investigated over a series of astonishing blunders in another case.



    Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/08/17/kelly-s-blood-expert-at-1st-big-job-115875-22492894/#ixzz0wxuLF65x





  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


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    Key evidence: DC Graham Coe has spoken for the first time about finding the body of Dr David Kelly

    This one admission blow's the whole Hutton Cover-Up wide open, anybody familiar with the case will remember DC Coe gave very conflicting evidence to the rest of the eye witnesses, the body of Dr Kelly was moved etc, these irregularities were never questioned, now he says according to this article that he lied at the Hutton Shamble's,
    Mr Coe also confirmed the disputed existence of a 'third man' with him and his partner DC Colin Shields that day.
    Critics who believe Dr Kelly was murdered have claimed that the suited figure mentioned in the accounts of volunteer searchers could have been from the security services.
    At the Hutton inquiry Mr Coe denied anyone else had been present, but the former Thames Valley Police detective now says there had been a trainee police officer, whom he refused to name and said had left the force.


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1301210/Detective-Dr-David-Kellys-body-raises-questions-death.html#ixzz0x0R3AL91

    A trainee police officer?, who left the force, didn't last very long in the force did he.

    Here's a blast from the past:
    http://www.deadscientists.blogspot.com/2004_02_01_archive.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 924 ✭✭✭Elliemental


    Forgive me if this is an old issue, (I have checked back a few pages, and couldn't find anything).
    However, I'm just watching a report about Dr David Kelly on "The Daily Politics", and read this article on the BBC website. What I want to ask is, what do people here make of this case? What do people here make of the lack of blood at the scene of the man's death, etc?
    Again, sorry if this has been done to death.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,182 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    Assasinated, its pretty obvious from the evidence, the wounds weren't sufficient to cause death, I mean they've even gone to great lengths to cover it up, no one can access info on the crime for another 70 years, why do you think that is? Because they've got something to hide.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Talk E


    Yup, Murdered. Text book, happens all the time. No surprise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 924 ✭✭✭Elliemental


    Could the blood not have been soaked into the earth? Hence why there seemed to be relatively little.
    Also, although the painkillers that were alleged to have been taken, would have been reacting to the meds he was taking for a heart condition. Could that not also have been a factor?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Threads merged, as there's more information on the older thread that some might want to read.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Talk E


    Could the blood not have been soaked into the earth? Hence why there seemed to be relatively little.
    Also, although the painkillers that were alleged to have been taken, would have been reacting to the meds he was taking for a heart condition. Could that not also have been a factor?

    Sounds to me like you already know the truth but are having difficulty accepting it because the realisation changes everything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 924 ✭✭✭Elliemental


    humanji wrote: »
    Threads merged, as there's more information on the older thread that some might want to read.

    Didn't spot this one, thanks :D


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