Jens Voigt Thread

Zipp101

This guy doesn't get nearly enough cred on this forum
Good clips from TDU...enjoy!

Slideshowbob

Actually he gets too much.

Just cos he speaks English with a funky weird German accent and he does loads of epic wasteful turns at the front of groups doesn't make him half as good as Roche or Kelly.

PS - has he won that much?

IM0

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Actually he gets too much.

Just cos he speaks English with a funky weird German accent and he does loads of epic wasteful turns at the front of groups doesn't make him half as good as Roche or Kelly.

PS - has he won that much?

I can tell your more of destination rather than journey kind of person

Jens IS the man!

RobFowl

Have to side with Bob here.

Jens is a bit like Eros Poli in the 90's and Sean Yates in the eighties.

Endless long turns but not too much in terms of wins.....

sy

RobFowl wrote: »

Have to side with Bob here.

Jens is a bit like Eros Poli in the 90's and Sean Yates in the eighties.

Endless long turns but not too much in terms of wins.....

Gosh had forgotten about Poli and yes Yates had a bit of a reputation but a better time trialer than Jens. Remember that epic stage into Cork with Kelly in Nissan Classic when they both powered up Patrick's Hill in the rain. I wonder has anybody got footage?

zzzzzzzz

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Actually he gets too much.

Just cos he speaks English with a funky weird German accent and he does loads of epic wasteful turns at the front of groups doesn't make him half as good as Roche or Kelly.

PS - has he won that much?

Where's that thumbs down button??!

Lumen

Cycling is boring. Jens makes it less so. Hurrah for Jens.

Raam

Lumen wrote: »

Cycling is boring.

Get out, now.

Lumen

Raam wrote: »

Get out, now.

Slideshowbob made me do it.

shapez

The man has been busy. 5 kids!!

papac

Even diehard Jens fans would not claim he is the greatest cyclist imo.
It's his brand of adhd driven , positive lunacy that does it for me.A breath of fresh air in a cynical world.
I hope he lives forever.

hinault

Voigt is a product of the Berlin Cycling academy : alma mater of Zabel, Ullrich, Bolts.

Voigt has a superb engine.

BryanL

hinault wrote: »

Voigt is a product of the Berlin Cycling academy : alma mater of Zabel, Ullrich, Bolts.

Voigt has a superb engine.

Not sure about the engines produced by that Alma Mater, the other 3 all ran on EPO?

Lumen

BryanL wrote: »

Not sure about the engines produced by that Alma Mater, the other 3 all ran on EPO?

Whooosh!

hinault

BryanL wrote: »

Not sure about the engines produced by that Alma Mater, the other 3 all ran on EPO?

allegedly EPO :


Zabel said that he tried but stopped due to getting headache.
Jan denied ever using EPO.

Jens? I can't remember if the question was even put to him!

TinyExplosions

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Actually he gets too much.

Just cos he speaks English with a funky weird German accent and he does loads of epic wasteful turns at the front of groups doesn't make him half as good as Roche or Kelly.

PS - has he won that much?

I don't agree with that... he is a Domestique, it's not his job to win, it's up to him to take those, as you put them 'epic wasteful turns' in, to help the Schlecks etc, and he does that better than anyone else out there.

As for wins, there's 4 Critérium International, a couple of Tour of Germanys and quite a few stage wins at various places!

IM0

TinyExplosions wrote: »

As for wins, there's 4 Critérium International, a couple of Tour of Germanys and quite a few stage wins at various places!

add to that some epic yellow jerseys, and the rolling crucifixction that was the stage (over the cormet de roselend if Im not mistaken) where he tried his hardest to hold onto it, even Vockler would be proud!

this sums him up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2GXeHbsG40

niceonetom

Slideshowbob wrote: »

PS - has he won that much?

The point. You missed it.

Slideshowbob

TinyExplosions wrote: »

I don't agree with that... he is a Domestique, it's not his job to win, it's up to him to take those, as you put them 'epic wasteful turns' in, to help the Schlecks etc, and he does that better than anyone else out there.

As for wins, there's 4 Critérium International, a couple of Tour of Germanys and quite a few stage wins at various places!

Maybe he ain't as good as domestique as those at Armstong and Contador's disposal! Hence the Schecks (apart from being negative riders) will always be perrenial runners up.

The reason why Voight is so prolific is thanks to you tube etc - if he was around over 15 years ago he'd be a lot less well known.

Zipp101

Slideshowbob wrote: »

he does loads of epic wasteful turns at the front of groups doesn't make him half as good as Roche or Kelly.

PS - has he won that much?

Pound for pound he is probably one of the strongest riders around..

niceonetom

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Maybe he ain't as good as domestique as those at Armstong and Contador's disposal! Hence the Schecks (apart from being negative riders) will always be perrenial runners up.

The reason why Voight is so prolific is thanks to you tube etc - if he was around over 15 years ago he'd be a lot less well known.

That's a load of nonsense really.

In 2004 when Ullrich was in a breakaway with Jens Discovery couldn't shut the move down. CSC called Voigt back to the peloton to help Basso. He stopped on the road, leaving his countryman (for which he was ripped apart in the German media), and dragged the peloton (Lancy Boy et al) back up to the breakaway ensuring Ulrich would, once again, be the bridesmaid. It's stuff like that that has made Jens Voigt a legend. He's the ultimate team man - totally selfless, and totally committed.

The Schleks will continue to be "perrenial runners up" until they learn how to TT, but if you were to ask them whether they feel they have a better chance with Jens drilling it into the bottom of the last climb of the day, or without him, I have no doubt as to how they would answer you. You only have to look at Sastre, probably the least gifted man to win in Paris decades, to see what having a guy like Jens at the DS's disposal can do to close down breaks, or create them or just go to the front and make sure that the pure climbers are suffering before it even kicks up.

I'm not sure you know what "prolific" means btw... Do you think he's have retired but for internet video? Or had fewer children? Maybe before the advent of youtube Jens would have been a little bit more unsung, but he still would have been a hero.

Slideshowbob

niceonetom wrote: »

That's a load of nonsense really.

In 2004 when Ullrich was in a breakaway with Jens Discovery couldn't shut the move down. CSC called Voigt back to the peloton to help Basso. He stopped on the road, leaving his countryman (for which he was ripped apart in the German media), and dragged the peloton (Lancy Boy et al) back up to the breakaway ensuring Ulrich would, once again, be the bridesmaid. It's stuff like that that has made Jens Voigt a legend. He's the ultimate team man - totally selfless, and totally committed.

The Schleks will continue to be "perrenial runners up" until they learn how to TT, but if you were to ask them whether they feel they have a better chance with Jens drilling it into the bottom of the last climb of the day, or without him, I have no doubt as to how they would answer you. You only have to look at Sastre, probably the least gifted man to win in Paris decades, to see what having a guy like Jens at the DS's disposal can do to close down breaks, or create them or just go to the front and make sure that the pure climbers are suffering before it even kicks up.

I'm not sure you know what "prolific" means btw... Do you think he's have retired but for internet video? Or had fewer children? Maybe before the advent of youtube Jens would have been a little bit more unsung, but he still would have been a hero.

Basso - another guy happy just to be second behind LA and AC !

It's more than the TT'ing letting down the Schlecks - they didn't have the balls to attack hard on Mont Ventoux last year - perhaps blow but give it a shot. Instead they were too busy looking behind them and riding negative.

Wasn't the main reason Sastre won Tour was because no-one could stay with him on Alp D'Huez?

Chips Lovell

Surely he meant "profilic".

–adjective
1. having a high profile, usually of a favorable nature; renowned; celebrated: a profilic writer.

Chips Lovell

Slideshowbob wrote: »

It's more than the TT'ing letting down the Schlecks - they didn't have the balls to attack hard on Mont Ventoux last year - perhaps blow but give it a shot. Instead they were too busy looking behind them and riding negative.

Hang on, are the Schlecks "perrenial runners up" because Jens is a crap domestic or they aren't ballsy enough????

niceonetom

Slideshowbob wrote: »

It's more than the TT'ing letting down the Schlecks - they didn't have the balls to attack hard on Mont Ventoux last year - perhaps blow but give it a shot. Instead they were too busy looking behind them and riding negative.

Good enough to beat Lancy though. Or are you going to blame that on his domestiques?

el tonto wrote: »

Surely he meant "profilic".

–adjective
1. having a high profile, usually of a favorable nature; renowned; celebrated: a profilic writer.

You made me google. Damn you.

Slideshowbob

el tonto wrote: »

Hang on, are the Schlecks "perrenial runners up" because Jens is a crap domestic or they aren't ballsy enough????

i wudnt blame jens for the schlecks not winning the tour - they have probably done better thanks to him on the scale of things

i dont think the schlecks or basso have the same desire to win that LA or AC had / have in the tour

i meant prolific in the sense that jens gets alot of exposure in media etc and it aint all due to his results - infact, relatively he does feck all exposure due to his own results in comparison to the exposure he gets from his interviews and efforts on the front!

Raam

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Wasn't the main reason Sastre won Tour was because no-one could stay with him on Alp D'Huez?

The Schlecks were on the same team so they couldn't chase.

Lumen

Slideshowbob wrote: »

i meant prolific in the sense that jens gets alot of exposure in media etc and it aint all due to his results - infact, relatively he does feck all exposure due to his own results in comparison to the exposure he gets from his interviews and efforts on the front!

I know naff all about professional cycling, but I thought the whole point of going on a mad break was to get media exposure?

TinyExplosions

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Maybe he ain't as good as domestique as those at Armstong and Contador's disposal! Hence the Schecks (apart from being negative riders) will always be perrenial runners up.

Aside from the other stuff posted already, he's a better domestique than any at Armstrong or Contadors disposal, but he's just one man... they have 4 or 5 weaker riders that can combine work together

bbosco

Slideshowbob wrote: »

i dont think the schlecks or basso have the same desire to win that LA or AC had / have in the tour

How do you arrive at that conclusion? Is it because the Schleck's haven't yet written a load of books about how they train more than anyone else?
I thought they rode their proverbials off on the Ventoux last year but Contador was simply way too strong. Ridiculously strong.

Slideshowbob

Lumen wrote: »

I know naff all about professional cycling, but I thought the whole point of going on a mad break was to get media exposure?

Not absolutely true - you could go up the road with the hope of improving form from the effort or getting a result also.

TinyExplosions wrote: »

Aside from the other stuff posted already, he's a better domestique than any at Armstrong or Contadors disposal, but he's just one man... they have 4 or 5 weaker riders that can combine work together

It's debatable on who is the most valuable domestique team mate - I suppose if you could see their salaries that would be a good indication!?!

bbosco wrote: »

How do you arrive at that conclusion? Is it because the Schleck's haven't yet written a load of books about how they train more than anyone else?
I thought they rode their proverbials off on the Ventoux last year but Contador was simply way too strong. Ridiculously strong.

Well I recall looking at the times Basso rode on TDF climbs with LA with Basso having virtually a smile on his face a few years back.

Same with A Schleck on Ventoux last year - looking comfortable / looking behind earlier in the climb instead of giving it a big effort to loose AC and blowing.

A Schlek has a blog on cyclingnews.com if you want to read his thoughts.

Training 'more' than anyone else doesn't neccessarily guarantee any more success.

To sum up about Voigt - some people here like him for his riding style and wit - I personally don't value those characteristics as highly as those people. Seeing as it's a Jens Voigt thread I am just expressing my own opinion on him.

Caroline_ie

More Jens!

Sean Kelly is Jens' hero!

el tel

Caroline_ie wrote: »

More Jens!

Sean Kelly is Jens' hero!

That was cool, never really heard JV before. Seems like a really sound, engaging guy. Massive freakin' hands too.

sy

Caroline_ie wrote: »

Sean Kelly is Jens' hero!

OK then, that changes my opinion completely.:)

Jens is a fine cyclist and have always admired his agressive style however not sure of his tactical astuteness. Yes as a domestique you have a job to do and yes tv coverage is important but if Jens is as good as he seems to be portrayed then he would have a major classic or two under his belt at this stage . He would have been bought by a team for this purpose etc etc. He is a super domestique and George Hincapie was his predecessor in this field. They play a vital cog in all strong teams and saxo bank will be damn glad of his presence this summer. And yes Caroline I do respect the fact that he is your all time hero! and that he has lots of fans on this forum. If he opens that coffee shop in Ireland he should have a lot of Boardsies dropping in, including myself.:pac:

Diarmuid

Slideshowbob wrote: »

they didn't have the balls to attack hard on Mont Ventoux last year - perhaps blow but give it a shot.

Eh, that's very wrong. It was pretty clear that Andy Schleck was doing his best to try and pull Franck away from Armstrong and onto the podium. Beating Contador was never a runner at that stage of the race. Franck Schleck however didn't have the legs to oblige.

Signal_ rabbit

Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge hands!

sy

Signal_ rabbit wrote: »

Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge hands!

You know what that means!
Mind you his thorax, like most pros, is so small that his hands look slightly out of proportion

Raam

http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2010/01/do-you-want-one-too/

Planet X

Caroline_ie wrote: »

More Jens!

Sean Kelly is Jens' hero!

Great guy, down to earth, great interview. Loved it.

Planet X

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Actually he gets too much.

Just cos he speaks English with a funky weird German accent and he does loads of epic wasteful turns at the front of groups doesn't make him half as good as Roche or Kelly.

PS - has he won that much?

I think he talks a good talk. Mature enough. Not alot of guys in the peleton are liked as much as he is. He pushes himself alot, doesn't hide "Down The Line"

niceonetom

To all the doubters,

Results from yesterday's stage of Paris-Nice:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/68th-paris-nice-his/stage-3/results

niceonetom

cyclingnews wrote:

The German, who is old enough to be the father of 20-year-old stage winner Peter Sagan, made an interesting request after the podium ceremony. "As much as there is the white as the distinctive jersey for the best young rider, there should be a grey jersey to award the best cyclist of the over 35 year old category," Voigt said firmly.

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