Eurosong 2010 Deadline

Jabel

Hi all,
Sorry if this is an unmentionable but for the songwriters/performers
out there the Eurosong 2010 Deadline is on Feb 1st.
I'll hold my hand up and say I'm entering a song.
Anyone else?
J

I'll get my coat....

PaulBrewer

' dum dee dahh dahh dee '

There ..... that's my entry.

Jabel

De do do do de da da da
is all I want to say to you

PaulBrewer

Seriously though -

Why on earth would you want to be associated with such a Lemon ?


What's your goal ?

Jabel

Hey I can write a cheesy pop song as good as the next guy/girl!

Seriously though,
My daughter is going to do the vocals and wants to pursue a music career,
and who knows this could be a platform for her.
Like it or not many a career has begun in such fashion.
For me, well there's nothing to lose is there?
J

PaulBrewer

Jabel wrote: »

Hey I can write a cheesy pop song as good as the next guy/girl!

Seriously though,
My daughter is going to do the vocals and wants to pursue a music career,
and who knows this could be a platform for her.
Like it or not many a career has begun in such fashion.
For me, well there's nothing to lose is there?
J

I'd personally be having second thoughts.

Careers have indeed begun from it - but that was quite a while ago since a sustainable one was launched.

A few years ago I remember seeing yer one who sang 'The Voice' in the Bridge House Tullamore playing to a disrespectful drunken audience.

A mate used to play with that guy Mikey Harte which all went down in flames quick and allegedly, debt.

Last I heard Donna and Joe McCaul were doing the pub circuit locally.

If you put the Eurovision coat on you cannot take it off.

I should mention I've not been involved in that side of things at all - but have heard the stories not from the Horses mouths, but from the hired horses.

artvandulet

Jabel wrote: »

Hey I can write a cheesy pop song as good as the next guy/girl!

Seriously though,
My daughter is going to do the vocals and wants to pursue a music career,
and who knows this could be a platform for her.
Like it or not many a career has begun in such fashion.
For me, well there's nothing to lose is there?
J

Well does your tune tick all the classic eurovision boxes?

Big intro
quiet verse
enter drums and bass halfway through 1st verse
big chorus with strings
2nd verse
chorus
middle 8 with tension building strings
chorus
KEY CHANGE
Chorus
End on a high note.

Make sure the singer does a good few 'power grabs'.
If ye mention as many european cities in your lyrics as you can and maybe be halfway through a sex change, you'll be grand.;)

Honestly, I've always wanted to enter, just to write the ultimate formulaic eurovision tune.

dasdog

I know one of the co-writers of last years "Et cetera" and it really can't be hard to get a song in contention if that was the pick. Follow artvandulet's strategy and you'll certainly increase your chances of achieving mid-table glory.

Jabel

artvandulet wrote: »

Well does your tune tick all the classic eurovision boxes?

Big intro
quiet verse
enter drums and bass halfway through 1st verse
big chorus with strings
2nd verse
chorus
middle 8 with tension building strings
chorus
KEY CHANGE
Chorus
End on a high note.

Make sure the singer does a good few 'power grabs'.
If ye mention as many european cities in your lyrics as you can and maybe be halfway through a sex change, you'll be grand.;)

Honestly, I've always wanted to enter, just to write the ultimate formulaic eurovision tune.

I'm not here to defend Eurovision, far from it
but what you have described there is more or less
the vast majority of pop songs in the last 30 years.
Do your own songs not follow some kind of structure?

dasdog wrote: »

I know one of the co-writers of last years "Et cetera" and it really can't be hard to get a song in contention if that was the pick. Follow artvandulet's strategy and you'll certainly increase your chances of achieving mid-table glory.

I'm a songwriter entering probably the biggest songwriting
contest on the planet, what's the big deal?
Have you reached the top of the table yet?

woodsdenis

Jabel wrote: »

I'm not here to defend Eurovision, far from it
but what you have described there is more or less
the vast majority of pop songs in the last 30 years.
Do your own songs not follow some kind of structure?





I'm a songwriter entering probably the biggest songwriting
contest on the planet, what's the big deal?
Have you reached the top of the table yet?

Don't be put off by the detractors. Don't forget this is a songwriting contest not a performers one. I certainly wouldn't mind the royalties Shay Healy, Brendan Graham etc have collected over the years.

PaulBrewer

woodsdenis wrote: »

Don't be put off by the detractors. Don't forget this is a songwriting contest not a performers one. I certainly wouldn't mind the royalties Shay Healy, Brendan Graham etc have collected over the years.

Denis , I wouldn't mind the royalties you've collected over the years

That's a fair point but the Eurovision is no longer the event it once was.

When is the last time you heard a memorable song from it, or artist ?

It's a long long way from where it is now to Abba's Waterloo in '74.


On a slight tangent I remember when Gina G sang for the UK. NME had a picture of her on a horse and the caption was -

'Gina G on her Gee Gee'

I'm still laughin ...

dasdog

Jabel wrote: »

I'm not here to defend Eurovision, far from it
but what you have described there is more or less
the vast majority of pop songs in the last 30 years.
Do your own songs not follow some kind of structure?





I'm a songwriter entering probably the biggest songwriting
contest on the planet, what's the big deal?
Have you reached the top of the table yet?

I'm not having a go at you or telling you to forget the idea. I'm implying that going forward for the Irish entry its something very achievable. But, the idea of a song contest goes against the grain of everything I believe in musically especially that particular spectacle where people craft specifically to appease.

jtsuited

PaulBrewer wrote: »

A mate used to play with that guy Mikey Harte which all went down in flames quick and allegedly, dept.

is that meant to read debt? very unprofessional to say things like that on a public forum given your line of work.

Savman

Jabel wrote: »

I'm not here to defend Eurovision, far from it
but what you have described there is more or less
the vast majority of pop songs in the last 30 years.

That's a very valid point in fairness. It's only Pop at the end of the day and with stuff like this, nothing ventured, nothing gained tbh.

PaulBrewer

jtsuited wrote: »

is that meant to read debt?

It is indeed.

krd

PaulBrewer wrote: »

I'd personally be having second thoughts.

Careers have indeed begun from it - but that was quite a while ago since a sustainable one was launched.

A few years ago I remember seeing yer one who sang 'The Voice' in the Bridge House Tullamore playing to a disrespectful drunken audience.

A mate used to play with that guy Mikey Harte which all went down in flames quick and allegedly, debt.

Last I heard Donna and Joe McCaul were doing the pub circuit locally.

If you put the Eurovision coat on you cannot take it off.

I should mention I've not been involved in that side of things at all - but have heard the stories not from the Horses mouths, but from the hired horses.

Or you could...Like Jonny Logan... become big in Turkey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b3XTj5G_SA

What's another year?

PaulBrewer

krd wrote: »

Or you could...Like Jonny Logan... become big in Turkey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b3XTj5G_SA

What's another year?

Good song !

Produced by Riverdance Bill Whelan I think - you anything to do with any of that Denis ?

krd

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Good song !

Produced by Riverdance Bill Whelan I think - you anything to do with any of that Denis ?

It's actually a perfect example of good song writing.

Shay Healy - And Jonny logan, Louis Walsh's

It don't like the production - Saxphone gives me a rash - but score Douzime ponts with Belgium - so it's always good to pop in a saxs solo.

But it's a country song

It should have been done like Willie Nelson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-Xl17B-Z0A

I think I've heard a stripped down version with just piano

woodsdenis

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Good song !

Produced by Riverdance Bill Whelan I think - you anything to do with any of that Denis ?

Nope, but i played in his band for a couple of years after that, interesting times.

PaulBrewer

woodsdenis wrote: »

Nope, but i played in his band for a couple of years after that, interesting times.

In J Logan's Band ? How was Turkey ?

tweeky

Ireland's entry,

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/2757505/Justin-Lee-Collins-wants-to-enter-Eurovision-Song-Contest.html

Tenner on this for the National ! (showing my age i know)

studiorat

I believe Johnny Logan could drink like a fish back in the day.

I remember this time of the year was always pretty good for the studios at the time as a result of people entering the Eurovision.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

Jabel wrote: »

I'll hold my hand up and say I'm entering a song.
Anyone else?

We have to lose that sax solo!

artvandulet

Jabel wrote: »

I'm not here to defend Eurovision, far from it
but what you have described there is more or less
the vast majority of pop songs in the last 30 years.

I didnt think you were. And fair play to ye for entering, but seriously, the type of tripe that gets into the shortlist for Irelands entry, has in recent years, been truly awful. If you expect to get into this shortlist, then you'll have to conform to that 'formula' and produce an equally rubbish cliched MOR ditty, or else try the trad route. That seems to be all the judges want to try and send as our entry. Ah but sure who can blame them after 'Love?'.:D:D

Jabel wrote: »

Do your own songs not follow some kind of structure?

Yes but never a key change on the last chorus - a real bug bear!


Oh and it ain't a songwriting competition anymore anyway really, now is it?

krd

artvandulet wrote: »

Yes but never a key change on the last chorus - a real bug bear!

That's a real country music thing. My father used to enter country music songwriting competitions (and mostly win) He insisted the corny "key change" in country was essential - country being all about corn. It's usually sliding up by a semi-tone. Which is a bitch to play, if you have to go from G to Ab (I suppose it depends on the instrument - but it's nothing, I'd like to have to play - Though I suppose, if you're using modern DAW, you'd just pencil in the semi-tone change).

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

artvandulet wrote: »

Oh and it ain't a songwriting competition anymore anyway really, now is it?

HARD *pause* ROCK, *pause + keychange* HALLELUJAH!:D

krd

Magdalena Fast Lubrication2010 wrote: »

HARD *pause* ROCK, *pause + keychange* HALLELUJAH!:D

That has to have been one of the most fun nights of my entire life.

Sitting around the TV watching Lordi win the Eurovision, with some Polish friends and Polish drinks and some Scandi's (Scandinavians) - the aRockalype had come.

Watching the Russians lose was hilarious. All the headlines in the Russian papers the next day were all about how everyone in Europe hated them. (the Russians take the Eurovision very seriously - last year they paid Timbaland 14 million to do their entry) - If you can find a clip of it - as Lordi are going through the corridor to accept their win, they pass the Russians who are in a huddle bawling their eyes out.

PaulBrewer

krd wrote: »

That's a real country music thing. My father used to enter country music songwriting competitions (and mostly win) He insisted the corny "key change" in country was essential - country being all about corn. It's usually sliding up by a semi-tone. Which is a bitch to play, if you have to go from G to Ab (I suppose it depends on the instrument - but it's nothing, I'd like to have to play - Though I suppose, if you're using modern DAW, you'd just pencil in the semi-tone change).

Stop Messing and take it up the full tone !

krd

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Stop Messing and take it up the full tone !

Well. My father scoped the whole thing out for me, with a pencil and piece of paper when I was about 13. First 8 bars up a semi-tone, then the next up another semi (there's your full tone) - then bang into a related key for the outro. I thought it was insane, and sounded terrible - but he said, that's how you win a country music competition. He really hated country music - he just liked wining the competitions. He actually really, really, hated country music - believing it was the most retarded, formulaic music imaginable.

Apart from the music formula. He said you've got to write some lyrics that make your skin crawl - something really awful, that makes you cringe like you want slice your own throat open. He said once you've got that you've got yourself a prize winning country song.

Here for example is the refrain from a country song I've just written

Under the misty lights of Toledo,
I met the woman who made me fall
I put in collect call to Jesus
But Jesus wouldn't take my call

Just add some peddle steel - a little semi-tone ramping - and you get the idea what it'll sound like.

Keep it country

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

krd wrote: »

Under the misty lights of Toledo,
I met the woman who made me fall
I put in collect call to Jesus
But Jesus wouldn't take my call

Keep it country

il add the bass line

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harmacist

Jabel wrote: »

Hi all,
Sorry if this is an unmentionable but for the songwriters/performers
out there the Eurosong 2010 Deadline is on Feb 1st.
I'll hold my hand up and say I'm entering a song.
Anyone else?
J

I'll get my coat....

I've made a similar Faustian pact! I wanted to see if I could reign in my own preferences to produce something a wee bit more formulaic.

I'm afraid I couldn't bring myself to do the westlife-last-chorus-key-change (you raise my pitch up) though...

Jabel

if we don't make it through we should post our songs
up here for ridicule... I mean constructive criticism.
J

PaulBrewer

Magdalena Fast Lubrication2010 wrote: »

il add the bass line

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That's beautiful Frank ...

harmacist

Jabel wrote: »

if we don't make it through we should post our songs
up here for ridicule... I mean constructive criticism.
J

I'd settle for being ridiculed for getting through...:rolleyes:

krd

Magdalena Fast Lubrication2010 wrote: »

il add the bass line

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Frank, you've got it there.

If we could lay our hands on a pedal steel player, and a few cowboy hats, we've got a hit.

studiorat

krd wrote: »

Watching the Russians lose was hilarious. All the headlines in the Russian papers the next day were all about how everyone in Europe hated them. (the Russians take the Eurovision very seriously - last year they paid Timbaland 14 million to do their entry) - If you can find a clip of it - as Lordi are going through the corridor to accept their win, they pass the Russians who are in a huddle bawling their eyes out.

Tis true. Last I heard Shay Healy was still in a siberian gulag for his efforts the previous year.

Seziertisch

This is my proposal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGm6_kIvS80

krd

Seziertisch wrote: »

This is my proposal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGm6_kIvS80

That is very cool, indeed. Thanks very much for that

studiorat

Seziertisch wrote: »

This is my proposal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGm6_kIvS80

Jesus. I suppose Westlife and the Eurovision aren't all that bad after all.