Irish Open 2010: April 2nd - 5th, Dublin Ireland

ionapaul

The Irish Open 2010 - April 2nd - 5th
The Burlington Hotel, Dublin

Don't think we've an official thread up yet...

1. Who is running the event: paddypowerpoker.com and the Jackpot Card Club
2. The purpose of the event: Commercial
3. Date and Location of event: April 2nd - 5th, The Burlington Hotel, Dublin
4. Registration and Start time of event: Main event starts at 3.30pm
5. Any prerequisites (member of club, society etc): Must be a member of the Jackpot Card Club (join on day)
6. How can tickets be purchased & is there a maximum number (in advance, at the door etc.): Tickets may be won via online satellite or purchased in advance via payment gateway http://www.irishpokeropen.com/register/register.php
7. Type of Tournament (Hold'em/Omaha etc Freezeout/Rebuy etc.): NLH Freezeout
8. Cost of entry and any subsequent rebuys/top-ups etc: €3200
9. Cost of registration: €300
10. % of entry fee/rebuys/top-up going into Prize fund: 100%
10a. Is any money from the prize fund held back for future tournaments, if so, how much: No
11. Any guarenteed prize pool: No
12. If applicable, Number of re-buys allowed and over what time frame/blind levels: N/A
13. Starting Chips: 10,000
14. Rebuy and Top-up chip amounts: N/A
15. Blind levels: To follow, see http://www.irishpokeropen.com/structure.php
16. Blind timeframes: 60 minutes first 6 levels, then 75 minutes thereafter
17. Places being paid and if any prizes are other than cash (free entry to other tournie, merchandice etc): Approx. 10% of field paid
18. Are there going to be dealers - and their level of skill: Fully dealer dealt, high level of skill
19. Will there be a documented list of rules: Yes, these will be available in advance from the Irish Open website
20. Is there a tournament director: Yes, Dave O'Neill
21. How are disputes handled - who has final say: The TD
22. The rake schedule: as provided by The Jackpot Club rake schedule is below.

* €100 Game (2/5) - €8 Per Person Per Half Hour
* €250 Game (5/10) - €13 Per Person Per Half Hour
* €500 Game (10/20) - €15 Per Person Per Half Hour
* €1000 Game (25/50) - €17 Per Person Per Half Hour
* €2000 Game (25/50/100) - €18 Per Person Per Half Hour
* €2500 Game (50/100) - €20 Per Person Per Half Hour

More details to follow, just wanted to get the ball rolling! Never done one of these before!

THEIRISHMOB

13. Starting Chips: 10,000


You really need to consider this starting stack. It should be at least 20,000 for such a tournament this big. I can't think of any other major tournament with such a SMALL starting stack.. Even the €500 nationwide tournaments have 15,000+ and I don't see how giving a bigger starting stack would cause problems for the organisers but it would give the players paying €3200 some value and play for there euro. Don't turn this tournament into a crap-shoot

winstons pt

THEIRISHMOB wrote: »

13. Starting Chips: 10,000


You really need to consider this starting stack. It should be at least 20,000 for such a tournament this big. I can't think of any other major tournament with such a SMALL starting stack.. Even the €500 nationwide tournaments have 15,000+ and I don't see how giving a bigger starting stack would cause problems for the organisers but it would give the players paying €3200 some value and play for there euro. Don't turn this tournament into a crap-shoot

Have to agree, the rest of the poker organizers around the country are giving 15,000+ chips with a very good structure as in extra levels and time per level for less of a buy in, and in our economic state players are looking for “value for money” so I think copy and paste from year to year should be looked at, just my 2 cent.
Regards Paddy

ionapaul

It is not quite 'copy and paste' from 2009 - let me quote from the official press release

Irish Open Structure Press Release wrote:

The starting stack for the €3,500 freezeout is set at 10,000 chips, while the tournament organisers have added the 1,200 / 2,400 and 2,500 / 5,000 levels.

Furthermore, in recent Irish Opens all blind levels were 60 minutes in length, whereas in 2010 the levels will increase from 60 minutes to 75 minutes in length from the end of Level 6.

winstons pt

ionapaul wrote: »

It is not quite 'copy and paste' from 2009 - let me quote from the official press release

Listen, im just stating the obvious, look at your starting stack, as for your extra blind levels and time frames..................whats new, everyone else i think is the same or near it, I wish you no bad only good luck, the Irish Open is always great for “Irish Poker” and attracts many big pro players from around the world, just my 4 cent now :D
Regards Paddy

DrJFF

THEIRISHMOB wrote: »

13. Starting Chips: 10,000


You really need to consider this starting stack. It should be at least 20,000 for such a tournament this big. I can't think of any other major tournament with such a SMALL starting stack.. Even the €500 nationwide tournaments have 15,000+ and I don't see how giving a bigger starting stack would cause problems for the organisers but it would give the players paying €3200 some value and play for there euro. Don't turn this tournament into a crap-shoot

TBH i am so fed up people complaining about this structure, i held my tongue in the other thread,

and all i will say is that,

more chips doesn't = better structure and if you can't see past that you haven't got a clue about tournament poker or their structures

imo i am really looking forward to this event(first IO) and the structure looks great

winstons pt

DrJFF wrote: »

TBH i am so fed up people complaining about this structure, i held my tongue in the other thread,

and all i will say is that,

more chips doesn't = better structure and if you can't see past that you haven't got a clue about tournament poker or their structures

imo i am really looking forward to this event(first IO) and the structure looks great

Looks like your complaining about people complaining, well.............anyway, lets get back to the matter in hand, all that's being said is that there should be more of a chip stack with a big buy in like this one.
Looks like your the one that has not a clue about tournament poker and their structures, you ask any poker player given the same buy in and blind levels but a difference between a 10k stack and a 15k stack, which do you think they would opt for.
Structure = Type of game, blinds levels, time frames, breaks, starting stack, etc, so yes more chips = better structure.
Before I go I would like to take this time to wish you the very best of luck in your first IO
Regards Paddy

THEIRISHMOB

DrJFF wrote: »

TBH i am so fed up people complaining about this structure, i held my tongue in the other thread,

and all i will say is that,

more chips doesn't = better structure and if you can't see past that you haven't got a clue about tournament poker or their structures

imo i am really looking forward to this event(first IO) and the structure looks great

If 10,000 chips is enough then why do the WSOP main event have 30,000 and the EPT have more and the €500 buy-in events around the country have more and even the UKIPT have 15,000 for a £500buy-in...everyone else is getting it wrong? Apart from the Irish open !!! The chip stacks do affect a tournament as the more chips the more play in day 1 etc.
And just look at the GJP deepstack....sold out way ahead of time because its what player want. you think the Irish Open will sell out ahead of time? ..
I would think that if it had 30,000 stack it would get many more players that want a value tournament and a poll of options would show this in my opinion.
3 options : 10k 20k 30k and see what the public want for there €3200

just my opinion

BIG-SLICK-POKER

Have to say The irish open is prestigous and i dont agree with a chip amount Change i think 10,000 chips makes a better game at this level and they have added levels . This is one of the biggest events in europe and it works and if it worked last year why change it ? I know players are looking for more and more chips and €500 events that we run are a totally different market .

I know people may not agree with me but hey thats life !!!!!!

Regards

Neill

THEIRISHMOB

BIG-SLICK-POKER wrote: »

Have to say The irish open is prestigous and i dont agree with a chip amount Change i think 10,000 chips makes a better game at this level and they have added levels . This is one of the biggest events in europe and it works and if it worked last year why change it ? I know players are looking for more and more chips and €500 events that we run are a totally different market .

I know people may not agree with me but hey thats life !!!!!!

Regards

Neill

So why do ALL the other big European events have more chips?
10k chips is too small for a tournament with this high a buy-in, if not then every other tournament organiser in the world has it wrong.... would a pole of the players paying €3200 not be a fairer why of deciding?

Four of a kind

I personally like longer levels rather than bigger stacks. And in this case, the increase to 75 min levels after level 6 is a nice addition along with the added levels.

The IO will always be a success anyways.

mdwexford

Four of a kind wrote: »

I personally like longer levels rather than bigger stacks.

This imo.

IH8bazar

THEIRISHMOB wrote: »

So why do ALL the other big European events have more chips?
10k chips is too small for a tournament with this high a buy-in, if not then every other tournament organiser in the world has it wrong.... would a pole of the players paying €3200 not be a fairer why of deciding?

Some of the bigger tournaments have a higher starting stack but start @ 50/100 and the structure goes faster.

Also as mentionned before most people playing a € 550 event just want "value" for their money, they wanna play at least 5 hours for their money, which is pretty easy with some of the sick structures you have in your country. It's more the enjoyment of the game. For these people "value" is playing a long time for a little money.

But when you switch to €3k+ bi's, it's mostly about how much +EV is it to play a certain tournament. Most people don't wanna waste time in levels playing 400-500 BB deep, which actually lowers the value. For these people "value" is just earning money.

FE the highroller Event in PCA only started like 160 BB deep if I remember correct.

I like the structure but that said it is indeed somewhat more faster then most bigger tournaments, just adding a 25/25 level would be perfect for me. Or just like it is now but 90 min levels later instead of 75. But starting 200 BB deep is pretty good and certainly for a tournament of this caliber.

corkie123

I SAID BEFORE ABOUT THE 10K STACK AND PEOPLE HERE HAVE GIVEN THERE OPIONS ON WHY 10K IS BETTER AND WHY IT SHOULD BE 20K .BUT IN FAIRNESS TO EVERYONE ITS NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHAT WE SAY HERE THE PEOPLE UP STAIR DONT CARE .

I SPOKEN TO NOEL ABOUT THIS AND AS HE SAID ONLY FOR HIM AND OTHERS SPEAKING UP THE NEW LEVELS WOULD NOT BE THERE AND NO MATTER WHAT WE SAY THEY STILL GET THERE 600 NUMBERS

WITH 225 FROM IPOKER 75 TO 100 FROM OTHER SITES 50 SUPER SAT AND LIVE SAT HERE AND OVER IN ENGLAND PROBLEY 75 MORE THEN THEY BE THE STRAGGLERS ANOTHER 100 OR MORE SO THEY STILL GET 550 AND MORE NO MATTER WAT ANYONE SAYS HERE .

NOW THE WSOP HAVE TRIPLE THERE STARTING STACK THE AUSSIE MILLON HAVE DOUBLED THERE STARTING STACK THE EPT HAVE DOUBLED THERE STARTING STACK AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE MOST PRESTIGOUS TOURIES IN THE WORLD BUT THE IRISH OPEN IS THE MOST PRESTIGOUS OF THEM ALL AND THE GUYS WHO RUN IT SAY FCK YE ALL WE DO IT OUR WAY NOT WHAT YE WANT YE ARE ONLY THE GUYS WHO PAY THE MONEY

GREAT TO BE IRISH

Jayminato

Personally I am just about ok with the starting stack. I found the older structure horrendous late in day 2 couple of years back but welcome the subtle time changes and extra levels.

Although a couple of people have said they dont mind the 10,000 stack the huge majority have been screaming out for a higher amount of chips in this thread and other threads. Yes given the option I would of course prefer the higher stack but it just aint gonna happen here.

I think Noel & Paul have done their best to try increase the stack size but until the dinosaurs move on things aint gonna change.

I think the dinosaurs in their stubborness have been detrimental to the progression of this massive poker festival weekend..

Jay

cuterob

push or fold fest at the late stages..10k is lol

THEIRISHMOB

Jayminato wrote: »

Personally I am just about ok with the starting stack. I found the older structure horrendous late in day 2 couple of years back but welcome the subtle time changes and extra levels.

Although a couple of people have said they dont mind the 10,000 stack the huge majority have been screaming out for a higher amount of chips in this thread and other threads. Yes given the option I would of course prefer the higher stack but it just aint gonna happen here.

I think Noel & Paul have done their best to try increase the stack size but until the dinosaurs move on things aint gonna change.

I think the dinosaurs in their stubborness have been detrimental to the progression of this massive poker festival weekend..

Jay

So who is it that runs this tournament and decides the starting stack?
And how does it inconvenience them having a bigger starting stack?

TripleAce

It's a pity....I really wanted to play it this year but 10k... :rolleyes:

Seriously, pray not to lose a big pot early on or you are crippled...

gorrrr72

TripleAce wrote: »

It's a pity....I really wanted to play it this year but 10k... :rolleyes:

Seriously, pray not to lose a big pot early on or you are crippled...

This.

I know it's been done do death on other threads but here I go again.
I spent about $900 on sats last year and was lucky enough to get in. Although the new levels/blind times are most welcome its just not enough for such a big tournament.
This year I played 2 $10 rebuys for a total of $60 and I won't bother playing any more online or live sats. Hopefully the EPT comes back to Dublin, that would be a tournament worth satelliting into.

westlife2010

please please please, this has been discussed to death in the other thread. PP have announced the structure, it aint gonna change now.

The Clamper

there was a time when we all played with 3k and maybe a deep stack was 5k, only the WSOP had 10k starting
its about a different strategy thats all, adopt a strategy for a 10k stack and you are there
yes a bigger stack gives you a longer wait time and a whole different strategy than a smaller stack, but hey, 10k was considered huge just a few short years ago
i recall when the Merrion had a £600 event only in 2000 ok 10 years ago, but the word was that they were deliberately freezing out the regular players with such a huge buy in
the starting stack was 6k and they added 1k on the night, due to low turnout and persistance of players to add chips
7k was huge and considered mega value, and the blind structure was like 25mins, which was also considered very fair
the structure of this event has been altered to the point where the length of blind could be shortened to give you a 20k starting stack
to be fair, with the new structure, its 6 of one half a dozen of another
longer blinds shorter stack or shorter blinds with bigger stack

regardless of starting stack players will still go out on level 1 as usual
this deepstack from GJP has a normal fallout on level one with 60 min blinds and 50k starting stack
the WSOP loses at least a dozen players in level one every year, despite the starting stack jumping from just 10k a few years back to its present deepstack
when the starting stack was 10k (2001)i knocked out 2 players in the 1st hand
when it was 20k (2007) i did it again, but only 1 player that time
everything is relative

there are books on strategy, there are players that will give advice on it
prepare mentally, have a strategy,
ask yourself, what kind of player am i
loose, tight, super tight, super aggressive,
answer honestly or you are just fooling yourself and adopt a strategy to suit that play
personally i just hope to get lucky and suckout as many players as possible
i still dont understand position play and probably will never learn it
its all a bit like explaining the off-side rule to people that dont play soccer

think i will go for my usual super tight play and hope to hit the rockets as often as possible

good luck with whatever type of play you adopt for this event, you just know its going to be packed out to a likely full house of all types of player
a veritable spaggetti western of players, the Good, The bad and the very ugly suckouts with players from all walks of life with a Fistful of Dollars hoping to get a Few Dollars More
Oh yeah, plenty of cowbows

however, as per usual, it will be a well run, well managed event with a mega payday for someone
only miss this if you dont want to be part of Irish poker history

it may not be the poker event of the year, but its up there with the best and you dont have to travel 5000 + miles to take part


Dw

westlife2010

The Clamper wrote: »

there was a time when we all played with 3k and maybe a deep stack was 5k, only the WSOP had 10k starting
its about a different strategy thats all, adopt a strategy for a 10k stack and you are there
yes a bigger stack gives you a longer wait time and a whole different strategy than a smaller stack, but hey, 10k was considered huge just a few short years ago
i recall when the Merrion had a £600 event only in 2000 ok 10 years ago, but the word was that they were deliberately freezing out the regular players with such a huge buy in
the starting stack was 6k and they added 1k on the night, due to low turnout and persistance of players to add chips
7k was huge and considered mega value, and the blind structure was like 25mins, which was also considered very fair
the structure of this event has been altered to the point where the length of blind could be shortened to give you a 20k starting stack
to be fair, with the new structure, its 6 of one half a dozen of another
longer blinds shorter stack or shorter blinds with bigger stack

regardless of starting stack players will still go out on level 1 as usual
this deepstack from GJP has a normal fallout on level one with 60 min blinds and 50k starting stack
the WSOP loses at least a dozen players in level one every year, despite the starting stack jumping from just 10k a few years back to its present deepstack
when the starting stack was 10k (2001)i knocked out 2 players in the 1st hand
when it was 20k (2007) i did it again, but only 1 player that time
everything is relative

there are books on strategy, there are players that will give advice on it
prepare mentally, have a strategy,
ask yourself, what kind of player am i
loose, tight, super tight, super aggressive,
answer honestly or you are just fooling yourself and adopt a strategy to suit that play
personally i just hope to get lucky and suckout as many players as possible
i still dont understand position play and probably will never learn it
its all a bit like explaining the off-side rule to people that dont play soccer

think i will go for my usual super tight play and hope to hit the rockets as often as possible

good luck with whatever type of play you adopt for this event, you just know its going to be packed out to a likely full house of all types of player
a veritable spaggetti western of players, the Good, The bad and the very ugly suckouts with players from all walks of life with a Fistful of Dollars hoping to get a Few Dollars More
Oh yeah, plenty of cowbows

however, as per usual, it will be a well run, well managed event with a mega payday for someone
only miss this if you dont want to be part of Irish poker history

it may not be the poker event of the year, but its up there with the best and you dont have to travel 5000 + miles to take part


Dw

This is a ringer, it cant be derek.... NO CAPS!

The Clamper

actually i had that button fixed
bUt here just for you

DeReK

i TOOK THE ROAD LESS TRAVELLED BY
I met 3 other guys at a cross roads, also LOST

thankfully i had a deck of cards on me

cleaned THEM OUT AND WENT ON MY WAY

gorrrr72

Funny post Derek & some good advice too.
I remember when you could buy 10 major for 60 pence, pints of the black stuff were 80 pence and the average house price in Dublin was 5 grand. Sounds like great value but we both know things were as hard then if not harder than they are now.

Most people on here have a good idea in which strategy to employ if they are playing the IO. Trouble is that strategy means that you have to rely more on luck than skill because the stacks are so shallow by the 3rd and 4th levels. If you haven't chipped up a bit at that stage then your standard raise is 15% of your stack. You can't c-bet and fold. This is where the lack of value is in this game.

There isn't a stack big enough to stop some people stacking off in the early levels when they shouldn't. I agree with you on that point. But that's why we play the game, to take advantage of other players mistakes.

And Phil, I know PPP are not going to change the structure. That's not the point of the rant. The point is BCB posted up the revised structure for opinions months ago and the overwhelming majority of replies wanted to see a 15/20k stack along with the changes to the levels.
My opinion would be to give the people what they want, not what PPP thinks is best. Most of the Irish players playing the IO either post or read boards and their opinions have been largely ignored.

I've had this structure conversation with the "gentleman" and I know he won't budge but he couldn't give an answer or a reason why. Unless you call a smirk and a stubburn shrug an answer.:rolleyes:

westlife2010

gorrrr72 wrote: »

Funny post Derek & some good advice too.
I remember when you could buy 10 major for 60 pence, pints of the black stuff were 80 pence and the average house price in Dublin was 5 grand. Sounds like great value but we both know things were as hard then if not harder than they are now.

Most people on here have a good idea in which strategy to employ if they are playing the IO. Trouble is that strategy means that you have to rely more on luck than skill because the stacks are so shallow by the 3rd and 4th levels. If you haven't chipped up a bit at that stage then your standard raise is 15% of your stack. You can't c-bet and fold. This is where the lack of value is in this game.

There isn't a stack big enough to stop some people stacking off in the early levels when they shouldn't. I agree with you on that point. But that's why we play the game, to take advantage of other players mistakes.

And Phil, I know PPP are not going to change the structure. That's not the point of the rant. The point is BCB posted up the revised structure for opinions months ago and the overwhelming majority of replies wanted to see a 15/20k stack along with the changes to the levels.
My opinion would be to give the people what they want, not what PPP thinks is best. Most of the Irish players playing the IO either post or read boards and their opinions have been largely ignored.

I've had this structure conversation with the "gentleman" and I know he won't budge but he couldn't give an answer or a reason why. Unless you call a smirk and a stubburn shrug an answer.:rolleyes:

I really agree with what you are saying and I for one would be happier with a deeper stack. One question for ....'anybody'. This game must finish Monday evening. We have been lucky in the last couple of years that it finished around 7 or 8 (previous years with a more severe structure it finished much much later). Thursday night is Super Sat (a 'must' I hope you will agree). Good Friday 2pm start, with a full quota of levels played Friday & Saturday. If you increase the s/s to say 15,000, would the organisers then have drop some levels in mid-late game to insure it finished Monday evening? Just a question.....nobody bite my head off!

And last but not least..... The 'gent'.......... I know he can be abrasive, His people skills are not his strongest point and he should from a PR point be a little more punter friendly but I have a horrible confession to make. The more I get to know him, the more I like him..... sorry

The Clamper

I DIDNT ALWAYS GET ALONG WITH THE gENTLEMAN lIAM, BUT APART FROM HIS LEGENDARY ABILITY TO SELF PROMOTE I AM UNSURE IF HE HAS CLOUT TO ALTER STRUCTURES ETC
I HAVE SEEN THAT KNOWING SHRUG AND SMILE MYSELF AND DESPITE RUMOURS TO THE CONTRARY, HE IS IN FACT A MERE HUMAN BEING, THOUGH DONT TELL HIM THAT
I LIKE HIM AND HAVE A DECENT ENOUGH REGARD FOR WHAT HE AND THE LIKES OF TERRY ROGERS & THE GREAT PADRAIG PARKINSON HAVE DONE FOR POKER IN IRELAND
THEY TRAVELLED THE PLANET, PROMOTING POKER FROM IRELAND, WITH ITS OWN BRAND OF MADCAP EFFERVESSENCE AND CRAZYNESS, BRINGING PLAYERS FROM ALL OVER TO PLAY HERE

DEREK

THEIRISHMOB

So who does make the decision regarding the final starting stack?
Or is it a secret.
I really can't see why we can't have a 20,000 starting stack and maybe people would get the Tournament they want... My point is that All the other Major poker events worldwide have bigger stacks for a reason, because the market has changed and people want value for there buck and better players when deepstacked have a chance to outplay weaker players on the turn and river where if it is a small starting stack it brings the luck factor much more into play and do we really want this? (Bingo or Poker?)

The Clamper

ok, you have convinced me,
lets make it a 3k starting stack, i rely so heavily on luck that this would deffo suit me

gorrrr72

westlife2010 wrote: »

I really agree with what you are saying and I for one would be happier with a deeper stack. One question for ....'anybody'. This game must finish Monday evening. We have been lucky in the last couple of years that it finished around 7 or 8 (previous years with a more severe structure it finished much much later). Thursday night is Super Sat (a 'must' I hope you will agree). Good Friday 2pm start, with a full quota of levels played Friday & Saturday. If you increase the s/s to say 15,000, would the organisers then have drop some levels in mid-late game to insure it finished Monday evening? Just a question.....nobody bite my head off!

And last but not least..... The 'gent'.......... I know he can be abrasive, His people skills are not his strongest point and he should from a PR point be a little more punter friendly but I have a horrible confession to make. The more I get to know him, the more I like him..... sorry

I'm sure a good TD would be able to manage the game as they see fit to get the game finished within the time frame.

Yeah the gent came to me afterwords and complimented me on the way I played a hand against him in which I got away from his set when I flopped top 2. I suppose he's tired of people getting on his case about the structure of the IO so doesn't really want to talk about it at the tables. Fair enough.

I'm just disappointed that this is a tournament I so passionately wanted to play in last year (and did) and I just can't be bothered with this year.

OasisKid

Hi,

To play the super satelite is it just turn up early on the day?

Thanks.

OasisKid

hi,

the live super sat on the thursday before the main event,
200 euro buy inn and rebuy and top are also 200 euro each?

Thanks

ionapaul

Hi all,

Some Irish Open news for you:

1) The Irish Open 20-Seat Guaranteed takes place this Sunday evening; if you win your seat while playing on paddypowerpoker.com you'll be part of our €100,000 Sole Survivor promotion for our qualifiers (the qualifiers who lasts the longest gets a €100k package)

2) The Irish Open Last Chance Saloon series of online qualifiers takes place (these are not iPoker-wide, only on PPP) from March 26th - March 31st and are usually really popular

3) You can still register for any of the live events at the Irish Open via our Online Payment Gateway - but this will close on Tuesday!

4) Luckily we've just opened our Irish Open Holding Tank so you can buy in to the €3,500 Main Event via our poker software