Will NCT issue a Failure Cert if Car won't Start?

dizzydiesel

Hi all,

I want to avail of the govt. scrappage scheme. My car was working fine until last week. It now won't start and is not worth fixing. Radiator is leaking and some other problem.
To qualify for the govt. scrappage it needs NCT in date or expired within 90 days.

My NCT is out of date (over 90 days) - so this disqualifies me from the scrappage scheme unless I can present the car for an NCT & have it fail.
I can bring the car to the NCT centre, but if it won't start - will they still issue me with a Failure Cert? Or do they just refuse you the test?

Help as I need to get an NCT Failure or I lose out on scrappage deal.

Other scrappage requirements:
Car is 10yrs +
I'm owner 18mnths +
Car always insured.

Thanks.

carchaeologist

Will it not have to have a valid NCT?Meaning you will hve to pass the test?

dizzydiesel

carchaeologist wrote: »

Will it not have to have a valid NCT?Meaning you will hve to pass the test?

Govt. scrappage states that you only have to present for a test. A failed NCT is accepted for the scrap scheme.

carchaeologist

dizzydiesel wrote: »

Govt. scrappage states that you only have to present for a test. A failed NCT is accepted for the scrap scheme.

But if you fail you wont get a cert?

carchaeologist

Ah yes,i just checked it out here http://www.motorcheck.ie/blog/is-your-car-fit-for-scrap/
Does the car being scrapped have to have a valid NCT?

Yes. The car must have a valid Irish NCT certificate of roadworthiness, or one that has expired no more than 90 days prior to issue of the Certificate of Destruction; or documentation to indicate that it has been presented for and failed an NCT roadworthiness test in the previous 6 months.

dizzydiesel

carchaeologist wrote: »

Ah yes,i just checked it out here http://www.motorcheck.ie/blog/is-your-car-fit-for-scrap/
Does the car being scrapped have to have a valid NCT?

Yes. The car must have a valid Irish NCT certificate of roadworthiness, or one that has expired no more than 90 days prior to issue of the Certificate of Destruction; or documentation to indicate that it has been presented for and failed an NCT roadworthiness test in the previous 6 months.

The answer to the question should be NO.

Anyone know how I can fail the test with the engine not starting?

dirtydiesel

If you tow a non runner to the test centre and they refuse to test it and confirm that by letter,then maybe that would be enough evidence that the car was presented for an nct test.
What you could do is talk to the salesman at the garage your buying the new car from and ask them for advice, im sure they will help you as its in their intrest sales wise.

dizzydiesel

carchaeologist wrote: »

But if you fail you wont get a cert?

You get a Cert of Failure when you don't pass - but if they refuse to test due to engine not starting - that's what I'm afraid of.

All I need is proof that I failed the NCT.

dizzydiesel

dirtydiesel wrote: »

If you tow a non runner to the test centre and they refuse to test it and confirm that by letter,then maybe that would be enough evidence that the car was presented for an nct test.
What you could do is talk to the salesman at the garage your buying the new car from and ask them for advice, im sure they will help you as its in their intrest sales wise.

That's sound advise!

Thanks.

unkel

Do you know why it won't start? Might it just need to be jump started or need a new battery?

unkel

dirtydiesel wrote: »

If you tow a non runner to the test centre and they refuse to test it and confirm that by letter,then maybe that would be enough evidence that the car was presented for an nct test

I doubt it. The reason the government have for putting this condition on the scrappage scheme is that they want to replace currently still used cars with more modern cleaner ones. A non-running car is not producing any CO2, is it?

dizzydiesel

unkel wrote: »

Do you know why it won't start? Might it just need to be jump started or need a new battery?

There is a hole in the radiator, a leak under the engine and it won't jump start.
The battery is charged, it turns the motor - just wont start.
I'm not wasting any more time or money on it.

The cold weather killed it

mullingar

dizzydiesel wrote: »

There is a hole in the radiator.........


The cold weather killed it

If you only had water in the leaky radiator with no anti-freeze and with temps around -10C, your engine is more than likely well and truly buggered internally

dirtydiesel

unkel wrote: »

I doubt it. The reason the government have for putting this condition on the scrappage scheme is that they want to replace currently still used cars with more modern cleaner ones. A non-running car is not producing any CO2, is it?

I think your missing the point, all the op wants is a failure sheet to show that the car was presented for a test.;)
It will be intresting to see how the op gets on with this.

dizzydiesel

Going to pop into the NCT centre tomorrow and find out what is possible. I'll let you what happens.

Gabbo57

dirtydiesel wrote: »

If you tow a non runner to the test centre and they refuse to test it and confirm that by letter,then maybe that would be enough evidence that the car was presented for an nct test.
What you could do is talk to the salesman at the garage your buying the new car from and ask them for advice, im sure they will help you as its in their intrest sales wise.

Tow it in? Are you mad, they'll just laugh at him, they're not gonna push it in for it's test!!

DannyBuoy

A car must be capable of undergoing the test under its own steam, car doesn't have to drive to the centre though, can be towed or lifted. The guys wont test it or even start the test if the car wont run.

dizzydiesel

DannyBuoy wrote: »

A car must be capable of undergoing the test under its own steam, car doesn't have to drive to the centre though, can be towed or lifted. The guys wont test it or even start the test if the car wont run.

So do they issue a fail?
Or do they just refuse the car?

DannyBuoy

Refuse, to the best of my knowledge, on the grounds that the car isn't fit to be tested.

JHMEG

No such thing as a failure cert, only a pass cert. There is the test report that says it failed.

Surely it starts even with the bust rad?

Get it to the test centre by any means, and just make sure it drives for the 10 seconds it'll take to get it from the waiting area into the centre itself.

EDIT: If they refuse to test it, they may automatically just fail it. Phone them and ask.

The scrappage scheme is not designed to catch people out who have a genuinely old car and could do with an upgrade. You sound like one of those, but just unlucky that the car has died (tho you were driving without an NCT for how long... we'll say no more on that one)

Bandiman

unkel wrote: »

I doubt it. The reason the government have for putting this condition on the scrappage scheme is that they want to replace currently still used cars with more modern cleaner ones. A non-running car is not producing any CO2, is it?

so you could trade in a perfectly good '90s Micra and put it towards a new Veyron?

dizzydiesel

JHMEG wrote: »

No such thing as a failure cert, only a pass cert. There is the test report that says it failed.

Surely it starts even with the bust rad?

Get it to the test centre by any means, and just make sure it drives for the 10 seconds it'll take to get it from the waiting area into the centre itself.

EDIT: If they refuse to test it, they may automatically just fail it. Phone them and ask.

The scrappage scheme is not designed to catch people out who have a genuinely old car and could do with an upgrade. You sound like one of those, but just unlucky that the car has died (tho you were driving without an NCT for how long... we'll say no more on that one)

It won't even kick. Starter motor turns - but there is no live in the old girl. I don't think there is compression. Something serious wrong with it since the cold. Rad issue is only the start of the problems.

I'm going to call NCT or visit them later - try to get my hands on this failure report.

dizzydiesel

Bandiman wrote: »

so you could trade in a perfectly good '90s Micra and put it towards a new Veyron?

Totally off the point - but scrappage is only valid against a new car in CO2 band A & B. The Bugatti doesn't qualify I'm afraid.

Cosmo K

You will not get a failure report. If the car isn't running, if you can't even start the engine, the car fails the so called "Pre Inspection check", they will not even bring it in. You will not get a report, they will simply refuse to test it.

Where are you based?

unkel

dirtydiesel wrote: »

I think your missing the point, all the op wants is a failure sheet to show that the car was presented for a test.;)

I know why the OP wants the car tested. I think it is you who is missing the point in why dead cars can't be used in the scrappage scheme

Anyway, we'll wait for an update from the OP

galwaytt

dizzydiesel wrote: »

Totally off the point - but scrappage is only valid against a new car in CO2 band A & B. The Bugatti doesn't qualify I'm afraid.

...ah balls, there goes that idea then..........:p

dizzydiesel

Ok folks - bad news (for me)

NCT won't give me any documentation if the engine doesn't start.

All is not lost though.....Renault are going to give me 8yr scrappage of 1,500 & trade-in allowance of 3,180 off the price of a 3DR Clio.

http://www.renault.ie/newsite/export/services/scrappage.html

I'm only losing out on €320 from the govt. scheme.

A nice offer - although it on the 3DR only. Allowance for the 5DR is only €3k.

Thanks for the posts!

unkel

galwaytt wrote: »

...ah balls, there goes that idea then..........:p

Another Galwegian who can't afford to drive a Veyron here :rolleyes:

dirtydiesel

Good result in the end then. Who knows you might even get something for the car, somebody might want parts off it.