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Irish racing cyclist takes French club and Irish Cycling Federation to Court

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    Mark Scanlon also started his career there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭Slideshowbob


    me@ucd wrote: »
    Mark Scanlon also started his career there

    ya indeed - not that it's anything particular to do directly with the case - just an interestin coincidence


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭giannip


    It's where most of the Irish lads go. A reference is usually given by the guy who leaves re: who could replace him. Dan Martin, Nicholas Roche etc. were there and Sam Bennet should be going there once he's "fixed".


    By that I mean once he's healed form his crash :D


    p.s. on the case itself, I hope it's thrown out of court.

    You want to play the game, you have to accept the risk.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭yeah-buddy


    bicycles are for pussies who cant drive!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    yeah-buddy wrote: »
    bicycles are for pussies who cant drive!
    SSDD


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭Slideshowbob


    giannip wrote: »
    It's where most of the Irish lads go. A reference is usually given by the guy who leaves re: who could replace him. Dan Martin, Nicholas Roche etc. were there and Sam Bennet should be going there once he's "fixed".


    By that I mean once he's healed form his crash :D


    p.s. on the case itself, I hope it's thrown out of court.

    You want to play the game, you have to accept the risk.

    I can see what you mean, and on the other side the chap has appeared to suffer injury; but putting my Matlock cigar in my mouth - I'd say this case is sub judice, and obviously some think it has merit given it is now in court.

    Probably best not to give comment on the actual validity of the case here, and act as judge and jury if not all information known.

    Commenting here on your own personal opinions on the case's merit may only result in boards getting into trouble, or you getting into trouble, etc. or indeed ultimately affect the case itself!

    There are experts and others in the court at the moment who will undoubtesly look at the facts of the case and come to decisions in good time.

    No doubt; with reference to the Irish Times article, and my knowledge of road racing, and common sense; I suppose those in court would be looking at:

    1. Rules of road etc., regulations and nuances of road racing and related team support vehicles etc. (consideration of same may include the perhaps traditional 'establisted' unwritten 'etiquette' of racing and providing team support and the relevance of same)
    2. the actual circumstances and events as they happened;
    3. if due care and attention was paid by all at all times;
    4. any negligence by parties involved; if any;
    5. I gather from reading the article; as part of the consideration of regulations and nuances of road racing and related support; it may include the relevance of items such as disclaimers etc. signed by participants etc; the absolute relevance of same; the legal merits of it and any exceptions to it;
    6. I also gather from reading the article, what appears to be a pertinent question may come up at some stage as to if the ''french'' team car unduly pulled out of the service car line (again a matter for the court to deem relevant and establish).

    The issue of damages I gather may not arise, until there is a judgement; and only if such judgement would deem such damages apt.

    It certainly is an interesting case alright.

    I wonder is there any existing case law in place with similarities.

    Other road racing incidents I recall over the years never seem to have gotten this far for whatever reasons.

    I see the defendants are - "the French cycling club Velo Club de Pomme; Frederic Rostaing, a cycling team service driver of Velo Club, La Pomme, Marseilles, France; the Motor Insurers Bureau of Ireland; and the Irish Cycling Federation."

    Looking at the Motor Insurers Bureau of Ireland (MIBI) website, it says - "The MIBI was set up in 1955 by an Agreement between the Government and the Companies underwriting motor insurance in Ireland for the purpose of compensating victims of road traffic accidents caused by uninsured and unidentified vehicles."

    Interestingly, looking at their website in more detail - there is a banner ''compensating innocent victims of uninsured driving".

    Is it safe to assume from this that the French club and driver were deemed ''uninsured'' before this case came to court? Also, has someone along the way deemed the palintiff to be an "innocent" victim?

    My raising of the thread was to make all aware it is taking place, and perhaps links could be provided here for news articles etc.

    Anyone know was it in court yesterday? any reportage? Can joe public go in and see the goings on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭Slideshowbob


    RobFowl wrote: »
    SSDD

    Looking at this guys previous thread history it appears he may be too involved with Play TV and other forms of gambling to bother us poor and trivial cyclists again!?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭giannip


    yeah-buddy wrote: »
    bicycles are for pussies who cant drive!

    Dictionaries are for people who can't spell


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭giannip





    Commenting here on your own personal opinions on the case's merit may only result in boards getting into trouble, or you getting into trouble, etc. or indeed ultimately affect the case itself!


    No point in this forum then.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 11,394 Mod ✭✭✭✭Captain Havoc


    He's only jealous 'cause we get the ride every day!!!!!

    https://ormondelanguagetours.com

    Walking Tours of Kilkenny in English, French or German.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,995 ✭✭✭✭blorg


    Probably best not to give comment on the actual validity of the case here, and act as judge and jury if not all information known.
    This is the internet, it is what we ware best at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭biker_joe


    I must say having ridden races here since the late nineties ... the safety measures in place races it pretty awful !! from the point of view of Motor cycle outriders & Garda and the powers which Marshalls have or have not ....and I won't even mention the state of the competely crap roads we are left to race on !

    I have ridden races up the north and the organisers can't even start it without the PSNI being there and having a presence ! and I won't mention the superior quality of the roads ... or just did I !

    Biker Joe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭Slideshowbob




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭giannip


    Yes!!

    Sanity prevails.



    The Judge said that there was a lot of truth in the statement that "sports and courts should stay far away from each other".

    :D:D:D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,220 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    giannip wrote: »
    The Judge said that there was a lot of truth in the statement that "sports and courts should stay far away from each other"

    I assume the Judge is not a tennis fan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,689 ✭✭✭Taxuser1


    I saw this from years ago and although this is a very old case, there's still some points of relevance for the current day cyclist, me being one of them ! dfon't trust your insurers, solicitor or federation and don't go to court.

    some of the facts not brought up. it was the French driver and team who first sued, possibly the federation but definitely then the rider for damages to their car. The rider was advised to counter sue by his solicitor.

    What actually happened on the road which resulted in the case - as we all know from having had punctures racing, cars move right and beep when the returning rider's bike has has been serviced so the rider can re-join the peloton - the French car moved left and the rider went in the back windscreen which resulted in a laceration from a slipped chain-wheel from mouth to just by the neck line, narrowly avoiding the jugular. the cyclist bounced back onto the ground onto his back. the french team sued for damages to their car

    The rider was a multiple All Ireland winner through to junior and was 4th in the Nationals as a first year junior. career was curtailed due to injuries which was a shame.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,038 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    Taxuser1 wrote: »
    - as we all know from having had punctures racing, cars move right and beep when the returning rider's bike has has been serviced so the rider can re-join the peloton ..
    Regardless of which side of the road is normally used? i.e. is it opposite in Irl/UK to continental Europe?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,689 ✭✭✭Taxuser1


    Regardless of which side of the road is normally used? i.e. is it opposite in Irl/UK to continental Europe?

    in the context of this issue and normally, if you're racing in Ireland, you're supposed to keep to the left hand side - most service cars will allow for riders up their inside left. it was brought up in the case that all cars had moved right as the riders re-attached - all bar the one French car.


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