will this work

eao1

Hi there can this aerial recieve all rte and tv3 etc in julianstown just near mosney,also its it true that rte are broadcasting ditigal for rte etc as beta???if so does that mean i can just plug the coax straight from the aerial into my philips lcd and use the ditigal teresstrial tuning menu on my lcd??? if none of this makes sense im sorry i dont know much about this stuff ,im just throwing it out there so some1 can correct me.


this is the aerial i have, it isn't mounted ye.

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=22523

hope u can help thanks.

Eamonn.

coylemj

Yes it will work, that is a UHF aerial which is what you need for DTT. Given that you're near the sea you probably receive from Clermont Carn up in Co. Louth which is directly north of you. The signal from Clermont Carn is vertically aligned so you need to turn the aerial through 90 degrees so that the spikey bits are pointing up and down instead of left and right.

By the way, you don't necessarily need a new aerial for DTT. If you're currently receiving the Irish channels from one of the main transmitters you should be able to pickup DTT with the same aerial so you'd only need to erect that Maplin aerial if you don't have any aerial at the moment.

eao1

Thanks alot for ur reply,

There isnt an aerial up yet so il get this up next week,how can u tell that it is a uhf aerial just out of curiosity?

yes the spikes are adjustable so il do that.

and about the dtt is it being broadcasted at the moment and to recieve it do i use the ditigal menu on my tv set?

Thanks again.

eao1

oh and i was just wondering about the dtt but will it still work just to tune the channels in normally,

thanks

coylemj

You can tell that it's a UHF aerial because in the specs. it says that it's a wideband and that it covers channels 21-69 which is the UHF TV spectrum.

If you live in the town, make sure that your neighbours have aerials pointing north to Clermont Carn, if they're pointing south the signal from Kippure may be better and by the way the whole aerial needs to be rotated, not the spikes.

DTT is being broadcast from all of the main transmitters on a test basis so they can disappear from time to time. For family TV viewing you'd probably need to stay with the analog signals for the moment. If your TV supports MPEG4 then you should be able to pickup the digital channels by doing an autotune, you might have to tell it you live in Sweden or France, experiment and you should find them.

eao1

i see so are all irish channels broadcasted in uhf?
if i had a vhf aerial what channels would i recieve?
i need an aerial for fm too can i use this aerial for that aswell if so do i requiree a certain splitter or can i loop the coax?

sorry forr all the questions i tried googlin bbut cant get much.

thanks again.

scath

eao1 wrote: »

i see so are all irish channels broadcasted in uhf?
if i had a vhf aerial what channels would i recieve?
i need an aerial for fm too can i use this aerial for that aswell if so do i requiree a certain splitter or can i loop the coax?

sorry forr all the questions i tried googlin bbut cant get much.

thanks again.

In DTT yes all in UHF AFAIK. Also if your TV was bought longer than 6 months ago or say Tesco for example, chances are you'll pick up 5 Irish tv channels and 4 or more radio stations, but get no picture, just sound in it. That will be because the TV was for "Freeview which is an 8 year old standard, older video compression standard than RTÉ tests are using since 2008. Before that they used the UK MPEG2 video decoding. Now they're using a newer one which allows for more channels.

If your TV picks sound but no picture up, You'll need to buy either a Freeview HD coming out soon (new, includes MPEG4) or a One Vision DTT box that will include the words "Saorview". This will be the logo RTÉ will use to inform the public that the stb or TV was tested by its contractor, Terracom and complied with Irish DTT. That process won't start for another month or more. RTÉ just announced that information in recent days. http://www.rtenl.com/dtt.htm#Free-to-Air

This is answered in thread:http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055784014 also

coylemj

scath wrote: »

In DTT yes all in UHF AFAIK. Also if your TV was bought longer than 6 months ago or say Tesco for example, chances are you'll pick up 5 Irish tv channels and 4 or more radio stations, but get no picture, just sound in it. That will be because the TV was for "Freeview which is an 8 year old standard, older video compression standard than RTÉ tests are using since 2008. Before that they used the UK MPEG2 video decoding. Now they're using a newer one which allows for more channels.

If your TV picks sound but no picture up, You'll need to buy either a Freeview HD coming out soon (new, includes MPEG4) or a One Vision DTT box that will include the words "Saorview". This will be the logo RTÉ will use to inform the public that the stb or TV was tested by its contractor, Terracom and complied with Irish DTT. That process won't start for another month or more. RTÉ just announced that information in recent days. http://www.rtenl.com/dtt.htm#Free-to-Air

This is answered in thread:http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055784014 also

He said in the original post that he has a Philips LCD and he mentioned a 'digital terrestrial tuning menu' so most of that information probably won't apply to him. I don't think people have had the same experience with Philips as plenty of boardies have had with Panasonic.

OP (eao1) can you tell us if the TVs specs. claim that it can receive MPEG4 or if you're not sure just give us the model number and I'll check it for you

eao1

will check it out asap and post,any ideas on the fm side?

thanks for the replies guys.

What do you want the FM aerial for?
What do you want to receive with it?

Just post up the model number of your philips lcd by the way and we'll tell you if it is mpeg4.

Can you post up a photograph of nearby aerials? as that would inform us a lot better than your description and tell us what direction they are pointing.
There is an outside possibility ,you see with the right aerial that you could receive uk tv from the north-definitely in analogue and possibly in digital.
Being where you are,if you have a sea view I wouldn't rule out being able to get a full UK freeview service from NW England,SW scotland,the isle of man [very probable!] or North wales as they are all very high power now.

You can attach a picture as a file attachment to your post underneath the reply box by clicking on "manage attachments".

Reduce the size of it to a 100kb's or so-a phone pic would be fine

The aerial pics that you show us most likely won't be pointing to England or wales as high power digital transmissions from there are a new development.

eao1

this is for a friend so cant get picks right now,i installed a multiroom audio system and have a coax to each fm tuner as the aeriel.he has sky but also wanted the analouge stations which required an aerial as per his location (no ntl) which lead me to asking questions about the ditigal broadcast,as iv seen the signal isnt great on a couple of stations so i am wondering can i use this aerial to improve the signal,so if they use the autotune feature it will catch the stations,il post the tv spec with the pics,so it'll be monday sorry as hes on a stag wekend on the piss,
Thanks.

The Cush

scath wrote: »

... or a One Vision DTT box that will include the words "Saorview". This will be the logo RTÉ will use to inform the public that the stb or TV was tested by its contractor, Terracom and complied with Irish DTT. That process won't start for another month or more. RTÉ just announced that information in recent days. http://www.rtenl.com/dtt.htm#Free-to-Air

OneVision receivers may never appear but Saorview compatible receivers probably will. Initially Saorview compatible receivers may not be pay-DTT compatible as they don't know what the CAS spec will be and in any case the CAS spec is optional for FTA receivers.

If OneVision launches they will probably use the OneVision logo or "Daorview" logo as suggested by Apogee here .

eao1

Hi guys,was just over there today,mounted that aerial today and mounted that vertical and tuned in rte 1,2 t na g and tv3,but wheres bbc 1 & 2?

EDIT>>>what channel should i be getting?

I got 12 ditigal channels but all black screen with audio and rte 1 on the ditigal was breaking up but i seen a picture for a sec or two,so mabye i just need to adjust the aerial a bit???

I didnt get the model no i forgot will post it on fri.

any replies to thm q's above wud be gr8,

Thanks again.

lucernarian

I assume you pointed it due north in the end?

What channels (IE frequencies!) are you receiving anything on, e.g. the DTT/Irish channels?

Did you just align the aerial vertically in one direction or did you move it about to see what happened?

How good is reception quality of the analogue Irish channels?

UK channels (Kilkeel) should be picked up on Channels 39, 42, 45, 49.

Kilkeel is 26dB weaker than Clermont Carn. That's quite a lot. Also, the aerial is slightly more sensitive to the Clermont Carn frequencies, so RTE will come in much stronger. Therefore, turn it towards NNE to give the UK channels from Kilkeel every chance of being picked up. It won't make much difference though.

One other thing, the most common setup in the Julianstown area would be with grid aerials receiving both Irish TV from CC and UK TV from Kilkeel. Kilkeel reception would be better the closer to Mosney you are.

eao1

right im not maing it easy for you sorry,
It's in the countryside and i pointed it roughly in the same fdrection as the house down the way,I could'nt swing it about as i was on my own and iv mounted the sat and aerial on an outhouse which is a bit away from the house(tv screen),the channels im looking receiving are on anaulogue im not to worried about the dtt that was for my own intrest,although i just thought id mention that i did get 12 or so ditigal channels when i ran the auto install on the tv and as i browsed through the dtt channel list i got one that was rte 1 but i only got a picture for a few seconds it was all mixed up squares,the tv set is brand new its a philips lcd.
I only received 4 analouge channels.

Is there an analouge signal finder i could use?
If so would that help?

It is mounted vertical and the houses around the area are too.most of them are of a grid type aerial,like I said ret1 & 2 t na g and tv3 are fine but i thought bbc's would come in as its on the coast,should they? maybe I do just need to adjust the aerial to get them.
I just want to know is the aerial capable of picking up them channels as I've been told that its a uhf wideband aerial and covers channels 21-69 which is the UHF TV spectrum.do the bbc's fall into this catagory in this area? if so then it must mean that i just have to adjust the aeial no??


thanks alot.

eao1

jusr seen ur edit shoul i replace the aerial to a grid type or would it be better still to mount a grid type aswell or if i reopace it to a grid tye would i receive all bbc and rte tve etc...
i will try adjust it though rather than replacing i have pointed it in the same direction as the grid type aerials but didny try tweaking it, what is the differance between them aerials anyhow

lucernarian

Grid aerials are usually a bit better for signal than the ordinary 10-element Yagi aerials and they're reasonably decent at picking up the full range of channels. So they're wideband. They're not usually the best choice though, certainly not round where you are. Installers just seem to like using them a lot in the greater Drogheda/Balbriggan area. I mentioned them to give Black Briar an idea of what's used in the area.

The most important questions out of what I asked were what "channels", i.e. the frequency, you were picking up the Irish stations on, and how good was the reception. If the RTÉ channels are perfect and you're picking them up from Clermont Carn near Dundalk, you should pick up the Kilkeel channels at least weakly.

Can you tell me what channel (aka frequency) the Irish channels are being received on? If you can manually tune in channels, the UK ones from Kilkeel are between 39-49 as I mentioned. You can add them manually and see what happens?