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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Whoh....thats some serious stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,927 ✭✭✭georgieporgy


    Reminds me of the Unabomber's manifestos


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭res ipsa


    Reminds me of the Unabomber's manifestos
    If you substitute the term scientists for dentists, and science for dentistry I see what you mean.

    The same is true of scientists generally. With possible rare exceptions, their motive is neither curiosity nor a desire to benefit humanity but the need to go through the power process: to have a goal (a scientific problem to solve), to make an effort (research) and to attain the goal (solution of the problem.) Science is a surrogate activity because scientists work mainly for the fulfillment they get out of the work itself.
    Of course, it's not that simple. Other motives do play a role for many scientists. Money and status for example. Some scientists may be persons of the type who have an insatiable drive for status (see paragraph 79) and this may provide much of the motivation for their work. No doubt the majority of scientists, like the majority of the general population, are more or less susceptible to advertising and marketing techniques and need money to satisfy their craving for goods and services. Thus science is not a pure surrogate activity. But it is in large part a surrogate activity.
    Also, science and technology constitute a mass power movement, and many scientists gratify their need for power through identification with this mass movement (see paragraph 83). Thus science marches on blindly, without regard to the real welfare of the human race or to any other standard, obedient only to the psychological needs of the scientists and of the government officials and corporation executives who provide the funds for research.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭BryanL


    Two sides to every story, i'd love to hear the other side of it. Funny that both sides are claiming the other side don't sterilise equipment, it's an easy one to throw around.
    He could have done things very differently, been more effective and not get struck off.
    Bryan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    this guy reminds me of john mew, who developed his own form of orthodontics. i've been on a course with him, (not a weekend thing in a golf resort!) and his style is pretty convincing, although orthoman will disagree.
    he's been up in front of the gdc in london a few times but has never been struck off. journals won't publish his articles because they're been pressurised from the ortho side of things (he did show us a letter he got from the bdj regarding this).
    but during the course a patient was taking him to the gdc (again) but dropped the case about a week before. he still went to the gdc just to argue his case.

    ps. the guy with the moustache at the front of the photo of the meeting in croker... has the guy beside him just farted or something??!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭vishal


    ballsymchugh, do you do fixed ortho? why does he not stick to a mainstream philosophy and not go up in front of the gdc? i know i my heart would probably stop if that happened to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    i don't do ortho at all, but i was thinking of going down the orthotropics road until i moved back to ireland. he's just a really principled guy that will stick to his guns. he's a qualified orthodontist, as is his son, and has a very successful clinic in south london. one patient flies over from cork to see him every 2 weeks, and quite a few patients of his have already gone down the conventional ortho route too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭res ipsa


    BryanL wrote: »
    Two sides to every story, i'd love to hear the other side of it. Funny that both sides are claiming the other side don't sterilise equipment, it's an easy one to throw around.
    He could have done things very differently, been more effective and not get struck off.
    Bryan

    He was not struck off,the Australian Dental Association is the equivalent of the IDA.
    The Dental Board(New South Wales) is the equivalent of the Dental Council.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭res ipsa


    this guy reminds me of john mew, who developed his own form of orthodontics. i've been on a course with him, (not a weekend thing in a golf resort!) and his style is pretty convincing, although orthoman will disagree.
    he's been up in front of the gdc in london a few times but has never been struck off. journals won't publish his articles because they're been pressurised from the ortho side of things (he did show us a letter he got from the bdj regarding this).
    but during the course a patient was taking him to the gdc (again) but dropped the case about a week before. he still went to the gdc just to argue his case.

    ps. the guy with the moustache at the front of the photo of the meeting in croker... has the guy beside him just farted or something??!

    Funny you mention Mew. he featured in the same TV program as Vaughan, although they disagreed with each other. Maybe they would both argue with their own shadow.
    http://www.orthodontist.com.au/content/transcript.jsp

    Those handlebar moustaches tilt downwards, so you can look like youre frowning even when you have a government minister in your chair:D



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