Stabbed: The Truth About Knife Crime

Dave Joyce

I watched an excellent programme that was shown on Bravo last night, the title is self evident. Not the usual scaremongering but very hard to watch cause of some of the distressing cases. The case that was hightlighted on this forum of the totally unprovoked attack on the two lads waiting for a lift in a shopping centre was discussed and the lad that survived was interviewed. Pretty hard hitting with some VERY grapic CCTV/photos.

Very harsh statistics with about 25 knife murders in London per year which rose to fifty something for Glasgow the murder capital of Britain and about 250 odd attempted murders.

Baggio...

I think I remember seeing this documentary some time ago. As you said it's not about scaremongering regarding knife crime.

However, there were some pretty harrowing stories. I remember the one which is captured by cctv at a shopping mall. Where two lads are assaulted by three thugs for no reason whatsoever (they are just waiting for a lift) . A blade was pulled after the initial assault, and they repeatedly stabbed one lad into unconsciousness. Ironically, he actually survived even after receiving multiple stab wounds, and a fractured draw.

But his best friend was not so lucky... it transpired he had been stabbed just off camera, and dies a short time later, as he was struck in the hart. It was pretty awful seeing the interview post event, as they were both young lads who did nothing wrong, but were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

At least they caught the scumbags.

Killme00

On re-opening night of a pub in Edinburgh called the Alphabet bar there were 13 people stabbed back in the nineties (my first night in a new job). Ive seen it happen several times on the streets of Edinburgh and a few times in Glasgow. I dont think (i'm naive) the problem is that great here in Ireland.

Ug Lee

Don't forget that statisically you are more likely to die of heart disease.

Dyr

Ug Lee wrote: »

Don't forget that statisically you are more likely to die of heart disease.

Statistically you're more likely to have a discussion about heart disease on the health forum rather than the self defence one.

Ug Lee

Bambi wrote: »

Statistically you're more likely to have a discussion about heart disease on the health forum rather than the self defence one.

Excellent answer.

BigDuffman

The UK are steps ahead in these type of campaigns. Although a near impossible task and the results are immeasurable, what they do produce is great.

I saw a fantastic Doc. about Girls In Gangs. Some of the CCTV footage made me sick. Was furious and disgusted by watching some of the inhuman sh*t that is going on.

That particular doc had CCTV footage of an unprovoked attack in London. Where after being beaten unconscious and the vic was lying face down, completely unresponsive. The scum in question casually stood round and for about 2 minutes kicked the poor kids head in a sickeningly nonchalant and casual manner as if they were kicking a football against a wall, whilst his pockets where emptied by a girl. Before heading off one of them took a run up and drop kicked the victims head with such force that his body spun.

One of things that after seeing you wont forget.

This type of stuff should be shown to kids in school along with videos on STDs, Car Wrecks and the after effects of drugs. A lot more worth while than forcing useless religion down a kids neck.

Jason Mc

Maybe a little unrelated but I heard a politician saying it costs £80,000 a year to keep a person in jail in northern ireland and it costs £50,000 in the UK

You gotta wonder why these scum are not being locked up for longer well there's ur answer.

You could put a guy through a top class Harvard education for that sort of cash.

These animals get it far to cushy inside.

Put more in the cells, cut back on the video games and pool tables. Lock them in the cell for longer each day. Cut back on the heating and food and keep them in for longer so normal law abiding citizens don't risk the chance of meeting this sort of scum.

Dave Joyce

I dont think (i'm naive) the problem is that great here in Ireland.

While I'm not trying to say that our situation is anything as bad as Britain, is that a serious comment???

Put more in the cells, cut back on the video games and pool tables. Lock them in the cell for longer each day. Cut back on the heating and food and keep them in for longer so normal law abiding citizens don't risk the chance of meeting this sort of scum.

At the risk of a smart ass comment from Ush, although I'm getting more and more right wing as I get older, but I think a general approach like this will only make some people resent their incarceration and scumbags need to be dealt with on a case by case basis and for those that deserve it the above should be the least they recieve.

Killme00

Dave Joyce wrote: »

While I'm not trying to say that our situation is anything as bad as Britain, is that a serious comment???.

Yes i think gun crime is far more serious in this country at the moment. Knife crime is no where near the same level as in the UK but gun crime appears to be on the same level.

Dyr

there was at least three stabbings on my road within a month of each other last year, they never made the news and even most people in the area would not have been aware of them. It's probably not wise to gauge the extent of any problem based solely on public awareness of it.

jimmyendless

Baggio... wrote: »

I think I remember seeing this documentary some time ago. As you said it's not about scaremongering regarding knife crime.

However, there were some pretty harrowing stories. I remember the one which is captured by cctv at a shopping mall. Where two lads are assaulted by three thugs for no reason whatsoever (they are just waiting for a lift) . A blade was pulled after the initial assault, and they repeatedly stabbed one lad into unconsciousness. Ironically, he actually survived even after receiving multiple stab wounds, and a fractured draw.

But his best friend was not so lucky... it transpired he had been stabbed just off camera, and dies a short time later, as he was struck in the hart. It was pretty awful seeing the interview post event, as they were both young lads who did nothing wrong, but were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

At least they caught the scumbags.

Im not for the death penalty but stories like that really push my views.

Dave Joyce

Yes i think gun crime is far more serious in this country at the moment. Knife crime is no where near the same level as in the UK but gun crime appears to be on the same level.

Like I said not as bad but you must have your head in the sand to not see whats going on around the country. I mean when people are getting stabbed in small rural towns let alone the larger urban areas. There are more and more little shi-tes carrying blades, trying to give themselves a rep.

BigDuffman

We are well up there regarding gun crime (fire arms related deaths) in comparison the UK or any other proportionately sized country. The figures escape me at the mo but I remember recent EU figures on it had us just behind Riga!

Knife crime is prevalent with the "yoof" in the UK as carrying a blade is nearly seen as fashionable. Although a gun maybe "gangsta" its far easier to procure a blade...eg. walk into your kitchen.

Dave Joyce

Something I forgot to mention about the programme that people should be aware of is the way blade carriers are making sheaths for their weapon and also ways of carrying/deploying their blades. This should give you an idea of intent and the pre meditive nature of what these guys plan.

Baggio...

Dave Joyce wrote: »

Something I forgot to mention about the programme that people should be aware of is the way blade carriers are making sheaths for their weapon and also ways of carrying/deploying their blades. This should give you an idea of intent and the pre meditive nature of what these guys plan.

That's a pretty scary thought Dave.

McArmalite

Once heard of a good method of practising knife self defence. Everyone in their white T shirt, attacker is armed with a red marker. Thing was, the vast majority of the people who tried to disarm the attacker would have at least got slashed, most probably on the forearm - a very dangerous place to get slashed obviously.

On the downside to this drill, the attacker wasn't padded up like the Michelene man with eye protection or whatever. So they didn't seem able to, well, kick him in the nuts, gouge him in the eyes etc. A good drill nonetheless if you fancy your chances with grappling someone weilding a knife all the same.

spidey7

McArmalite wrote: »

Once heard of a good method of practising knife self defence. Everyone in their white T shirt, attacker is armed with a red marker. Thing was, the vast majority of the people who tried to disarm the attacker would have at least got slashed, most probably on the forearm - a very dangerous place to get slashed obviously.

On the downside to this drill, the attacker wasn't padded up like the Michelene man with eye protection or whatever. So they didn't seem able to, well, kick him in the nuts, gouge him in the eyes etc. A good drill nonetheless if you fancy your chances with grappling someone weilding a knife all the same.

the only problem with this drill is the "victim" is trying to practice defending themselves and ends up coming out of a class with 10-20 "stab wounds". i have found that this drill leaves most with a OMG iv been stabbed so fast i cant ever defend against this!

We do use the marker/ chalk but only with advanced members and not even that often, the beginners do a lot more slow drills and tactile drills first.

But the marker drill is certainly on the 'more realistic' side of self defence training, good to hear some coaches are getting 'real' as there are so many guys teaching 'self defence' when in fact they are only instilling the person with a false sense of security/ confidence by teaching outdated and innefective techniques which ARE ACTUALLY DANGEROUS!