Containers in the Irish Sea - Danger bull****e?

laugh

Do you think they are over stating; the danger of coming into contact with stuff in the other containers?

RTE

I think if something washes up on a beach near you and it doesn't look like a container of sodium bromate, keep it.

Dman001

laugh wrote: »

Do you think they are over stating; the danger of coming into contact with stuff in the other containers?

RTE

I think if something washes up on a beach near you and it doesn't look like a container of sodium bromate, keep it.

Why would they say it dangerous if it isnt?

laugh

Dman001 wrote: »

Why would they say it dangerous if it isnt?

Stop people from taking the stuff?

Sheeps

laugh wrote: »

Stop people from taking the stuff?

Yeah, I'm sure thats why the RTE news were reporting that the stuff was dangerous. If you're so confident that RTE are part of this little conspiracy, why don't you go hunting for the containers and when you find the stuff, put some of it in your mouth and do us all a favor.

Dman001

laugh wrote: »

Stop people from taking the stuff?

They wouldnt care. Chances are the goods were insured so they would be getting Insurance money. And even if they werent insured, Im sure they wouldnt care that you would take any water damaged good. It is not as if the company will be collecting them and re-selling them (even if they werent contaminated by that chemical).

Ciaran500

laugh wrote: »

Stop people from taking the stuff?

The container owners aren't going to want soggy fire logs back.

bleg

laugh wrote: »

Do you think they are over stating; the danger of coming into contact with stuff in the other containers?

RTE

I think if something washes up on a beach near you and it doesn't look like a container of sodium bromate, keep it.

Ah so if something that isn't yours but equally isn't a dangerous chemical, it's OK to rob it?

Dman001

Ciaran500 wrote: »

The container owners aren't going to want soggy fire logs back.

DelBoy would love to get his hands on them though.

MaybeLogic

bleg wrote: »

Ah so if something that isn't yours but equally isn't a dangerous chemical, it's OK to rob it?

Isn't it legal to keep salvage?

laugh

Dman001 wrote: »

(even if they werent contaminated by that chemical).

I just find it unlikely that there would be dangerous levels of chemical contamination, given the scenario.

My name is URL

MaybeLogic wrote: »

Isn't it legal to keep salvage?

Only if you salvage it in international waters I think

laugh

bleg wrote: »

Ah so if something that isn't yours but equally isn't a dangerous chemical, it's OK to rob it?

It's not illegal to keep something that washes up on beach unless it is something illegal.

laugh

Sheeps wrote: »

Yeah, I'm sure thats why the RTE news were reporting that the stuff was dangerous. If you're so confident that RTE are part of this little conspiracy, why don't you go hunting for the containers and when you find the stuff, put some of it in your mouth and do us all a favor.

RTE news is repeating something somebody else has said, that is what RTE news do almost 100% of the time. Why don't you stop typing and do us all a favor.

Mint Sauce

well considering the irish sea is one of the polluted seas in the world, anything that comes in contact with it is probably contaminated anyway

citizen_p

just dont use take stuff out of a container marked sodium or acidic/.....simple really....

i remember this happpened in englandlike a year ago and they got mistibusi bikes and everything

Capt'n Midnight

laugh wrote: »

It's not illegal to keep something that washes up on beach unless it is something illegal.

WRONG !

But it was illegal when those containers washed up in the UK a few years back and the same laws against wreckers are in force here. Remember back in the day wreckers used to destroy ships and cause the death of the crews in order to recover a tiny fraction of the cargo. cba looking up the laws but I'm guessing hanging was too good for them

Capt'n Midnight

one of the containers contained Bromates

10mg per litre and Coca Cola were forced to kill off the Dasani brand in Europe, now when they sell tap water they call it Deep River Rock

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/pure-cokes-attempt-to-sell-tap-water-backfires-in-cancer-scare-567004.html

jumpguy

Funnily enough, there's no mention of what's in the other containers. Unless the containers with sodium bromate leaked, I can't see any worries. How could the firelogs be contaminated with sodium bromate unless the containers leaked and flooded with sodium bromate contaminated water? This would mean they'd be wet and useless.

bleg

laugh wrote: »

It's not illegal to keep something that washes up on beach unless it is something illegal.

I call bull****.

Bonito

Anyone remember the story of the container that washed up with all the nike gear and frisby's and stuff in it

Capt'n Midnight

Mousey- wrote: »

just dont use take stuff out of a container marked sodium or acidic/.....simple really....

i remember this happpened in englandlike a year ago and they got mistibusi bikes and everything

Merchant Shipping (Salvage and Wreck) Act, 1993


http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1993/en/act/pub/0034/sec0044.html

44.—(1) If any person finds or, not being a receiver for the district concerned, takes possession of any wreck in the State or finds and takes possession of any wreck outside the State and brings it into the State that person shall—


( a ) if being the owner of the wreck give notice to the said receiver for the district concerned in which the wreck is found or into which the wreck is brought stating that he has found or taken possession of it, and describing the marks which distinguish it,


( b ) if not being the owner of the wreck as soon as possible deliver it to the receiver for the district concerned.


(2) Any person who fails, without reasonable excuse, to comply with subsection (1), shall—


( a ) be guilty of an offence,


( b ) if that person is not the owner of the wreck forfeit any claim to salvage, and


( c ) be liable to pay twice the value of the wreck to the owner if it is claimed or, if it is unclaimed, to the receiver on behalf of the State and the amount so payable shall be recoverable in the same manner as a simple contract debt in any court of competent jurisdiction.


(3) If any person conceals or, in the case of a person not being the owner of the wreck, keeps possession of any wreck to which subsection (1) applies or refuses to deliver any such wreck to a receiver for the district concerned or to any person authorised by such a receiver to demand the same, that person shall be guilty of an offence.


(4) Any member of the Garda Síochána may take any wreck to which subsection (1) relates, if necessary by force, from any person who refuses to deliver it to a receiver of the district concerned and so deliver it to the receiver.


(5) Nothing in subsection (4) shall operate to prejudice any power of search or to seize or detain property which may be exercised by a member of the Garda Síochána apart from this section.

Oh yeah, as far as I know customs may also get in on the act since the goods weren't imported and those guys don't need warrants to enter your house.

Roryhy

laugh wrote: »

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheeps
Yeah, I'm sure thats why the RTE news were reporting that the stuff was dangerous. If you're so confident that RTE are part of this little conspiracy, why don't you go hunting for the containers and when you find the stuff, put some of it in your mouth and do us all a favor.
RTE news is repeating something somebody else has said, that is what RTE news do almost 100% of the time. Why don't you stop typing and do us all a favor.

Do us all a favour and learn how to spell favour!

Overheal

Sheeps wrote: »

Yeah, I'm sure thats why the RTE news were reporting that the stuff was dangerous. If you're so confident that RTE are part of this little conspiracy, why don't you go hunting for the containers and when you find the stuff, put some of it in your mouth and do us all a favor.

Oh come on. This doesnt even need to fall under the title of conspiracy.

"firelogs, medical equipment and bird food." You couldn't pick more uninteresting objects. Well except for junkies. We'll see Methadivers yet

Look at it this way: if they had said these were containers full of Sports Cars and Electronics, what would you see at the beach? :rolleyes:

RMD

laugh wrote: »

It's not illegal to keep something that washes up on beach unless it is something illegal.

As soon as the company can prove ownership of it though it can be taken off you on the spot. What use do you have for the chemicals in question?

Captain_Generic

Solid gold medical equipment i say

laugh

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Merchant Shipping (Salvage and Wreck) Act, 1993


http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1993/en/act/pub/0034/sec0044.html

Oh yeah, as far as I know customs may also get in on the act since the goods weren't imported and those guys don't need warrants to enter your house.

How does the law regarding wrecks mean anything with regard to stuff washing up on a beach.

spideog7

A quick maths lesson:

Volume of a shipping container: 67.7 Cubic Metres

Density of Sodium Bromate: 3.339 g/cm3

Maximum amount of sodium bromate in the container if it was literally packed in unpackaged, wall to wall.

3.339 g/cm3
= 3.339x10^6 g/m3
= .3339x10^6kg/m3

(.3339x10^6) x (67.7m3) = 22 371 300

Which is 22,371 tonnes.



The volume of the Atlantic Ocean:
3.236x10^17 m3 = 3.236x10^20 litres


So diluted that works out as roughly 6.91325711 × 10^-8mg per litre or .00000006913mg per litre. :pac:

References:
http://www.srinternational.com/standard_containers.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_bromate

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=volume+of+the+atlantic+ocean


NB. Likely to contain error

fryup

pity it isn't drink

Mint Sauce

spideog7 wrote: »

A quick maths lesson:

Volume of a shipping container: 67.7 Cubic Metres

Density of Sodium Bromate: 3.339 g/cm3

Maximum amount of sodium bromate in the container if it was literally packed in unpackaged, wall to wall.

3.339 g/cm3
= 3.339x10^6 g/m3
= .3339x10^6kg/m3

(.3339x10^6) x (67.7m3) = 22 371 300

Which is 22,371 tonnes.



The volume of the Atlantic Ocean:
3.236x10^17 m3 = 3.236x10^20 litres


So diluted that works out as roughly 6.91325711 × 10^-8mg per litre or .00000006913mg per litre. :pac:

References:
http://www.srinternational.com/standard_containers.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_bromate

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=volume+of+the+atlantic+ocean


NB. Likely to contain error

but the containers wern't lost in the atlantic