New Friday night schedule RTE

spadder

After last nights shambolic Late Late show, it’s clear, the show should have been put out of it’s misery years ago. The format just isn’t working.

I say it’s time to revamp the whole RTE Friday night schedule. Let’s loosely borrow from the BBC Friday night schedule. ( Let’s face it, everything is copied from BBC anyway!)

Here’s my line up ideas: ( All these shows must be live)

RTE 1
9.30 Funny or satirical show- something like the panel / or have I got news for you with a rotating presenter.

10.30pm- Political /Human/social interest show, give it to some like Paddy O’ Gorman, Eamon Keane or Eamon Dunphy or else move the Frontline to Friday night with PK.

11.30pm Arts show, movie/book/theatre reviews (bring back Shay Healy ala “nighthawks”)

12.am – till late -A band live from some venue


RTE 2
9pm Movie - Bridget Jones 1 or 2 (as usual)

rovert

People would still bitch on here regardless, so why bother?

spadder

Because as a license fee payer, I want to see some value.
I want to see an end to the usual faces on RTE every week. I would like to see some new emerging talent.
I want to see an end to nepotism and political bias in RTE.

Agricola

I agree, but not about the suggestion of the Frontline on Friday night. Its wall to wall politics most other nights, Friday should be lighter stuff.

I think something like that "Have I got news for you" rip off presented by Barry Murphy, on after the news on Friday night. Then some kind of show like the new one on TV3 presented by Ursula Haligan. (She had Dunphy on last time)

Talkshows dont work in Ireland. The quality of guests just isnt there.

Sandwich

spadder wrote: »

Because as a license fee payer, I want to see some value.
I want to see an end to the usual faces on RTE every week. I would like to see some new emerging talent.
I want to see an end to nepotism and political bias in RTE.

Most license fee payers are voting with their remotes though - and tuning into the Late Late every week in their hundreds of thousands. if it aint broke dont fix it.

Spiritoftheseventies

Sandwich wrote: »

Most license fee payers are voting with their remotes though - and tuning into the Late Late every week in their hundreds of thousands. if it aint broke dont fix it.

Havent seen the late late in ages. but re the chat show genre, heard that Conan O' Brien has left NBC after his tonight show was moved to the graveyard shift. It's a hard one to the nail down and don't think Kenny was every fully comfortable particularly with subjects out his area of expertise

mike65

That alternative line up sounds awful (bearing in mind RTE will make these progs), stick on a proper film premier every Friday night.

IronMan

The LLS still pulls in the viewers. So RTE isn't going to change the formula, broken and all as it is. Chat is cheap.

JonathanAnon

rovert wrote: »

People would still bitch on here regardless, so why bother?

Meeja Ireland

spadder wrote: »

Because as a license fee payer, I want to see some value.
I want to see an end to the usual faces on RTE every week. I would like to see some new emerging talent.
I want to see an end to nepotism and political bias in RTE.

Not to give you a hard time, but isn't it interesting that your starting point is to base your schedule on the BBC? That must give you an insight into how the unoroginality that you dislike happens. I hope you lead a new era of empathy and moderation.

As to the specific detail of your suggestions, what do you make of the fact that the Late Late is by a long stretch the most popular show on any channel in Ireland? By all means junk it, but are you saying that those people are wrong?I'd love to hear your thinking on it.

rovert

JonathanAnon wrote: »

You broke it

Mossy Monk

spadder wrote: »

Because as a license fee payer, I want to see some value.

Your schedule is value? For you yes but what about everyone else. Do you konow how many people watch the Late Late Show every week?

The Sparrow

That is the best that you can come up with? Some sort of no doubt rubbish rip off of Have I Got News For You and The Frontline? Because people really want to hear about politics on a Friday night.

Last night, The Late Late Show will most likely have attracted more viewers than any other show on Irish television this week. It will be the same every week that it is on this year. Love it or loath it, that is the only fact that matters.

Sure it could be better sometimes but I would take it every week over your scheduling suggestions.

rednik

9.00 News
9.30 - 2-30 MT USA

Richard Dower

Most of these "celebrities" turn up to the LLS just for the 200 quid apperance fee and free grub in the green room, ooh and the free ride home.

Richard Dower

rednik wrote: »

9.00 News
9.30 - 2-30 MT USA

10.00 - Jersey Shore......

spadder

IronMan wrote: »

The LLS still pulls in the viewers. So RTE isn't going to change the formula, broken and all as it is. Chat is cheap.

I have a wide circle of family and friends and I don't know of anyone that has been surveyed or polled regarding their viewing habits. So who compiles these figures?

Look at the RTE salaries! chat is definitely not cheap and I'm sick of paying for it

icdg

The Late Late Show consistantly tops the ratings. This is RTÉ's only real criteria to keep renewing it. Why would they cancel their biggest ratings hit for an unproven schedule?

Spiritoftheseventies

heard somewhere that lost is going to be on friday nights now.

Dennis the Stone

They should abandon the Late Late Show and just repeat Executive Decision every week. Not even the whole movie, just a three hour loop of that scene where Steven Seagal gets sucked out of the jet at 30,000 feet.

spadder

icdg wrote: »

The Late Late Show consistantly tops the ratings. This is RTÉ's only real criteria to keep renewing it. Why would they cancel their biggest ratings hit for an unproven schedule?

Yes, but who tells us that it tops the ratings? and how is it verified?

For instance, I watched the first 2mins and switched over to BBC as soon as Mrs. Brown was wheeled out (again!). Does that count as a rating?

Elmo

spadder wrote: »

RTE 1
9.30 Funny or satirical show- something like the panel / or have I got news for you with a rotating presenter.

10.30pm- Political /Human/social interest show, give it to some like Paddy O’ Gorman, Eamon Keane or Eamon Dunphy or else move the Frontline to Friday night with PK.

11.30pm Arts show, movie/book/theatre reviews (bring back Shay Healy ala “nighthawks”)

12.am – till late -A band live from some venue


RTE 2
9pm Movie - Bridget Jones 1 or 2 (as usual)

IMO TLLS is getting an audience it will never move from Friday Night.

IMO put your suggested line up on RTÉ 2 for choice between each station rather than another bad movie on RTÉ 2.

RTÉ 1

6pm 6:1
7pm Nationwide
7:30 Quiz Show (needed)
8pm EastEnders
8:30 Family Comedy
9pm News
9:30 TLLS
11:30 News

RTÉ 2

6pm The Simpsons
6:30 Home and Away
7pm The Cafe
7:30 When Under Ether
8:30 The View
9pm Satire
9:30 Other Voices
10:30 The 11th Hour

The Sparrow

spadder wrote: »

Yes, but who tells us that it tops the ratings? and how is it verified?

For instance, I watched the first 2mins and switched over to BBC as soon as Mrs. Brown was wheeled out (again!). Does that count as a rating?

Nielsen calculate the television ratings in this country much like they do in most countries around the world. Basically a broad sample of television viewers are given Nielesn set top boxes and the ratings are calculated from what those people watch.

If you don't have a nielsen box then it doesn't matter how much or little you watch. If you do have a box and you tune in for 2 minutes then you will be counted as being part of a 15 minute rating for that time period. All of the 15 minute ratings are averaged and that is what gives us the rating and audience share numbers.

It is not a particularly scientific method but it has been accepted by every major tv station and advertiser around the world. And TLL tops the ratings almost every week.

spadder

The Sparrow wrote: »

If you don't have a nielsen box then it doesn't matter how much or little you watch. If you do have a box and you tune in for 2 minutes then you will be counted as being part of a 15 minute rating for that time period. All of the 15 minute ratings are averaged and that is what gives us the rating and audience share numbers.

Does Rte pay Nielson for this service?
If I was an advertiser, I would want peolple watching the whole show, including the ads.

Mossy Monk

spadder wrote: »

Does Rte pay Nielson for this service?

*grumble grumble grumble*waste of money, no value*grumble grumble grumble*

spadder

Mossy Monk wrote: »

*grumble grumble grumble*waste of money, no value*grumble grumble grumble*

I'm curious, if you pay the piper, you can call the tune.

I've never met anyone with a Neilson box, has anyone here?

Elmo

RTÉ, TV3, TG4, Channel 4, Sky, Advertising agencies all pay TAM Ireland who in turn pay AGB Neilsen for the research.

I have looked at both Irish and British ratings and both point to the same general area in terms of multichannel services such as Sky 1, E4 etc. Over here we have RTE 1, TV3, RTE 2, TG4, Setanta Ireland and 3e in addition and it makes scene that the national broadcasters do better than the UK national broadcasters. News and Current Affairs and TV3 looking very much like ITV.

Even the head of TV3 has stated he has no problem with the system.

Regardless of ratings however RTÉ Two should provide choice. That is why I would suggest something like your RTÉ One friday night schedule on RTÉ Two, they already have those shows they just need to put them on a Friday.

7:30 When Under Ether
8:30 The View
9pm Satire
9:30 Other Voices
10:30 The 11th Hour

They are all under funded but they would be a better choice then another Stephen Segal movie.

murpho999

spadder wrote: »

After last nights shambolic Late Late show, it’s clear, the show should have been put out of it’s misery years ago. The format just isn’t working.

I say it’s time to revamp the whole RTE Friday night schedule. Let’s loosely borrow from the BBC Friday night schedule. ( Let’s face it, everything is copied from BBC anyway!)

Here’s my line up ideas: ( All these shows must be live)

RTE 1
9.30 Funny or satirical show- something like the panel / or have I got news for you with a rotating presenter.

10.30pm- Political /Human/social interest show, give it to some like Paddy O’ Gorman, Eamon Keane or Eamon Dunphy or else move the Frontline to Friday night with PK.

11.30pm Arts show, movie/book/theatre reviews (bring back Shay Healy ala “nighthawks”)

12.am – till late -A band live from some venue


RTE 2
9pm Movie - Bridget Jones 1 or 2 (as usual)

If you don't like the RTE current schedule and want it to copy BBC then why don't you just watch BBC then? Simple.

Mossy Monk

spadder wrote: »

I've never met anyone with a Neilson box, has anyone here?

I have never asked.

Richard Dower

^ never...Neilsen box, probably all (paid off) industry insiders.

spadder

Ageispolis wrote: »

They should abandon the Late Late Show and just repeat Executive Decision every week. Not even the whole movie, just a three hour loop of that scene where Steven Seagal gets sucked out of the jet at 30,000 feet.

Ahh FFS! Spoilers!!!
you mean he doesn't kick the fcuk out of the terrorists on the plane?

mikom

spadder wrote: »

I'm curious, if you pay the piper, you can call the tune.

I've never met anyone with a Neilson box, has anyone here?

To be honest I'd say the average viewer has a better chance of getting their hands on brigitte nielsen's box than a Neilson box.

I have never met anyone who had, or knew of anyone who had such an audience measuring device in their homes.
but I have a fair idea most are fitted in nursing homes where the old dears have no choice but to watch the late late.

thetonynator

friday night schedule is fine, but something needs to be done about saturday, instead of repeating films shown 6 months before on rte . . .

mikom

thetonynator wrote: »

friday night schedule is fine, but something needs to be done about saturday, instead of repeating films shown 6 months before on rte . . .

You won't be saying that when the Brendan O' Connor / Lucy Kennedy Talk show starts................. http://www.tribune.ie/news/article/2009/nov/22/kennedy-and-oconnor-to-fill-tubridy-tonight-slot/

160 Euro folks, 160 Euro folks...............

Dennis the Stone

spadder wrote: »

Ahh FFS! Spoilers!!!
you mean he doesn't kick the fcuk out of the terrorists on the plane?

Whoops, he certainly doesn't. Or does he??

No, he doesn't!

Elmo

mikom wrote: »

You won't be saying that when the Brendan O' Connor / Lucy Kennedy Talk show starts................. http://www.tribune.ie/news/article/2009/nov/22/kennedy-and-oconnor-to-fill-tubridy-tonight-slot/

I don't think this is going to happen they are very slow to put it on the air.

Meeja Ireland

The Sparrow wrote: »

Nielsen calculate the television ratings in this country much like they do in most countries around the world. Basically a broad sample of television viewers are given Nielesn set top boxes and the ratings are calculated from what those people watch.

Their system is, however, increasingly inaccurate. Nielsen amazingly still haven't caught up with the world of video recording, sky box, tivo, etc. If one of the sample houses decides to record a programme and watch it later, that is not registered as a viewing on Nielsen's system.

This is why the ratings figures consistently over-rate live shows or events. Nobody is going to tape half an hour of a football match so they can watch Coronation St at the time of broadcast.

Meeja Ireland

On a side note, I was actually asked to take a ratings box at one point. A young woman came to the door and explained the system. As far as I remember, I would have received a small payment.

I couldn't participate, unfortunately, as my flatmate at the time worked (peripherally) in television. That ruled me out.

Elmo

Meeja Ireland wrote: »

Their system is, however, increasingly inaccurate. Nielsen amazingly still haven't caught up with the world of video recording, sky box, tivo, etc. If one of the sample houses decides to record a programme and watch it later, that is not registered as a viewing on Nielsen's system.

They don't care about them. It's kind of like saying Nielsen aren't researching if people go out to the cinema. It is probable the only type of research done that shows what people are doing on a per min basis. The research is purely for LIVE TV viewing. What if you read a book during Coronation Street, or go for a swim, or watch a DVD or watch a recorded show.

The Sparrow

Also, Nielsen ratings are primarily aimed at advertisers and the whole system is designed so that advertisers can see what shows do best and whether it is worth paying what television stations choose to charge for advertising in that slot.

So really Sky+ and Tivo ratings are not hugely important because most ppl who record something will not watch the ads. That's obviously a simplified version and eventually Sky+ ratings will be calculated but it's why it is not a priority at the moment. Although, I'm pretty sure that they count Tivo ratings in the States.

Elmo

The Sparrow wrote: »

So really Sky+ and Tivo ratings are not hugely important because most ppl who record something will not watch the ads. That's obviously a simplified version and eventually Sky+ ratings will be calculated but it's why it is not a priority at the moment. Although, I'm pretty sure that they count Tivo ratings in the States.

I am waiting for the on-screen advertising to start soon

A Coca-Cola symbol appearing randomly, or just were they currently put their TV logos. (a coca-cola dog)



And just to try to bring this thread back on track the Quinn logo were the current RTÉ One logo resides during The Late Late Show

spadder

Meeja Ireland wrote: »

Their system is, however, increasingly inaccurate. Nielsen amazingly still haven't caught up with the world of video recording, sky box, tivo, etc. If one of the sample houses decides to record a programme and watch it later, that is not registered as a viewing on Nielsen's system.

This is why the ratings figures consistently over-rate live shows or events. Nobody is going to tape half an hour of a football match so they can watch Coronation St at the time of broadcast.

The all knowing Nielson people tells us that Tubridy is watched by the majority of the nation, when in effect what actually happens is that people watch the langer come on stage, then over to the can-of-sh1t quartet, then Tubs does his drum roll on the desk and welcomes (twink /G.Ryan/brush sheils/cast of fair city/ Brendan O’Carroll / westlife/boyzone etc) whereupon, Joe license fee payer urgently changes to BBC to see if J.Ross has started yet.


So, this 2 mins clocks up on the mythical Neilson box as another ratings success for tubridy?

Elmo

spadder wrote: »

So, this 2 mins clocks up on the mythical Neilson box as another ratings success for tubridy?

No it is done in 2min intervals. They have a min rating and a max rating and what time they happened at and they they have the average across the 2 hours.

Don't know if I would necessarily turn to J. Ross over R. Tubrity TBH or Visaversa.