2006 Mondeo TDCI Diesel

Matt406

I’ve a few questions about the 2006 Mondeo diesel –


1)
Are all the TDCI engines the same power rating? What is it??



2)
Do they come with both 5 and six speed gearboxes?? What models come with what gearbox?




Thanks.

bazz26

2.0 TDCi came in both 115bhp and 130bhp. Most Irish models are 115bhp
2.0 TDCi had a 6 speed gear box from 2004 onwards afaik.
2.2 TDCi had 155bhp and was available in Ghia X and ST models.

There was also an old 2.0 TDDi with 90bhp that sounded like a bag of spanners which was available on basic LX and Steel models. It was a 5 speed only.

Matt406

So by default a 2006 2.0TDCI should have a 6 speed gearbox!
Also do all diesel powered Mondeo’s have a timing chain as opposed to timing belt?

EPM

No, the 115bhp will have a 5 speed box. It's the 130bhp that had a 6 speed. The 130's can suffer injector problems that the 115bhp seems to avoid

Tragedy

bazz26 wrote: »

2.0 TDCi came in both 115bhp and 130bhp. Most Irish models are 115bhp

It came in 90,115 and 130.

2.0 TDCi had a 6 speed gear box from 2004 onwards afaik.

Not true!

There was also an old 2.0 TDDi with 90bhp that sounded like a bag of spanners which was available on basic LX and Steel models.

There's a 90bhp 2.0 TDCi, exact same lump as the 115/130 but detuned.

GTE

Tragedy wrote: »

There's a 90bhp 2.0 TDCi, exact same lump as the 115/130 but detuned.

VAG do that with their engines too.
It annoys me insurance wise. I was never asked how much power the engine developed, just the engine size.
Its either Im getting hit high by insurance for a 90hp 1.9 and the 150 hp ones are getting what they deserve or the 90 hps are getting something normal and the 150's are getting a ruddy steal lol

Tragedy

Tragedy wrote: »

There's a 90bhp 2.0 TDCi, exact same lump as the 115/130 but detuned.

I had a 2005 90bhp 2.0 TDdi.

EPM

RoverJames wrote: »

I had a 2005 90bhp 2.0 TDdi.

They were a good engine. Not even that noisey either. A friend of mine had one since new as a taxi. Well over 200k out of it no problems

EPM

EPM wrote: »

Not even that noisey either.

I couldn't agree on that point I thought it was quite unrefined, I gave a local mechanic a lift to the pub one night in it, he commented on how noisy it was too. I had a 115bhp one for a weekend away once, was much much quieter. The 90bhp one pulled all the way to 120 mph though in fairness to it. Slow enough though, I had it as a company car, when I started the job I left my 11 year old Rover 214 outside my place in Clane, moved back to Cork a few months later and my Dad drove the Rover home for me, at no stage could I pull away from the 214 when flat out, not even on hills. Obviously in 5th fro 60 the Mondeo was quicker though.

Tragedy

RoverJames wrote: »

I had a 2005 90bhp 2.0 TDdi.

The only 90bhp engine in the Mk3 Mondeo was a detuned 2.0 TDCi 115.

It's the exact same engine as the 115/130 mechanically(except the 130 has a variable geometry turbo), and sounds just as bad.

To the best of my knowledge, the only TDDi engine in the Mk3 Mondeo was a 115bhp lump, which again, was identical to the TDCi engine except it used direct injection instead of common rail.

Tragedy

Tragedy wrote: »

The only 90bhp engine in the Mk3 Mondeo was a detuned 2.0 TDCi 115.

It's the exact same engine as the 115/130 mechanically(except the 130 has a variable geometry turbo), and sounds just as bad.

To the best of my knowledge, the only TDDi engine in the Mk3 Mondeo was a 115bhp lump, which again, was identical to the TDCi engine except it used direct injection instead of common rail.

I reckon your wrong so, the one I had was definitely a 2.0 TDDi 90bhp , a friend had a 2003 one too until he drove through a flood a few months back.

I would also think there was no TDDi with 115bhp, all the 115bhp ones were TDCi me thinks.

maidhc

RoverJames wrote: »

I reckon your wrong so, the one I had was definitely a 2.0 TDDi 90bhp , a friend had a 2003 one too until he drove through a flood a few months back.

I would also think there was no TDDi with 115bhp, all the 115bhp ones were TDCi me thinks.

There was a TDDi with 115bhp and 90bhp until the TDCi came along.

The TDCi only came out midway in the mondeo MkIIIs life when they bolted on the high pressure injection system.

Damien360

There was a 2.0 TDDi 90bhp which you could'nt break. Great engine for reliability. Mine was a 5 speed and I think they all were. Had an 01 LX of those.

There was the 2.0 TDCi 115bhp 6 speed which has a lot of injector problems. If you get lucky it is a great car but talk to any ford mechanic and they will tell you the problems with the injectors. I had an 04 zetec one of those.

There was also the 2.0 TDCi 130bhp which I never had. Rare anough in ireland. Typically UK imports had them but I am open to correction on that.

The new shape came out in late 07. 125bhp 1.8 TDCi in the zetec (current car) and it is a great car. 100bhp 1.8 TDCi in LX. They are out there for sale and can be had for a good price. Would be worth it if you can afford the step up in price.

maidhc

maidhc wrote: »

There was a TDDi with 115bhp and 90bhp until the TDCi came along.

I'm dubious about that to be honest Any link or anything to one for sale or even some ford forum chat about them ?

Tragedy

RoverJames wrote: »

I'm dubious about that to be honest Any link or anything to one for sale or even some ford forum chat about them ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Duratorq_engine#ZSD_.28.22Puma.22.29
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/ford/mondeo-hatchback-2000.aspx?page=2
http://www.fordmondeo.org/forum/showtopic.php?tid/724263/

Could find more.

Basically, never heard of a 90bhp 2.0 TDDi before

I've seen the 90PS TDCi mislabelled as a TDDi before, but it's definitely common rail rather than direct injection

Tragedy

Tragedy wrote: »

Basically, never heard of a 90bhp 2.0 TDDi before

I've seen the 90PS TDCi mislabelled as a TDDi before, but it's definitely common rail rather than direct injection

As I mentioned above I had one for a year, also they were on the Ford Ireland web site at the time, also a quick google yielded the following form Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mondeo

2.0 L (1998 cc) Duratorq I4, 90 PS (89 hp (66 kW) and 155 lb·ft (210 N·m)) (2.0 TDDi 90)

and

http://www.autoweb.co.uk/car-review/ford%20mondeo%20mk3%20(2000%20-%202007)

With the exception of the unexceptional 2.0-litre TDdi turbo diesel engine, the Mondeo barely put a foot wrong. Keen to rectify this oversight, Ford launched the state of the art common rail 2.0-litre TDCi engine in 2001.

Again, I had one, it broke twice, I booked it in to a Ford main dealer those two times and also booked it in for a service, defo a 2005 2.0TDdi

Also found this http://www.upsolute.com/index.php?option=com_upsolute&task=car&id=712&id_marke=10&id_model=1056.

maidhc

Tragedy wrote: »

I've seen the 90PS TDCi mislabelled as a TDDi before, but it's definitely common rail rather than direct injection

Both the TDCI and TDDI are direct injection.

The TDCI has a high pressure fuel pump.

The 90bhp TDCi came out only in late 2005 a while after the 115bhp model. There was a 90bhp TDDI from the beginning I think.

GTE

Was the Ford TDDI Fords answer to VAG's TDI? And then the TDCI the answer to the PD TDI? Both being higher pressure engines?

Tragedy

It's absolutely headwrecking.

RoverJames wrote: »

As I mentioned above I had one for a year, also they were on the Ford Ireland web site at the time, also a quick google yielded the following form Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mondeo

2.0 L (1998 cc) Duratorq I4, 90 PS (89 hp (66 kW) and 155 lb·ft (210 N·m)) (2.0 TDDi 90)

That's definitely wrong, I don't see how a 89hp diesel engine can only produce 155lb ft of torque? Generally max torque is around 2-2.5k revs, at 2500RPM and 155lbft of torque, that's only 74hp.
Elsewhere, the 90PS TDCi is listed as having 189lb ft of torque. Which is the same figure as the "TDDi" in the upsolute page linked below. So upsolute is definitely talking about the 2005 90PS TDCi.

http://www.autoweb.co.uk/car-review/ford mondeo mk3 (2000 - 2007

)

With the exception of the unexceptional 2.0-litre TDdi turbo diesel engine, the Mondeo barely put a foot wrong. Keen to rectify this oversight, Ford launched the state of the art common rail 2.0-litre TDCi engine in 2001.

No mention of a 90PS TDDi, but I did find mention of a 90PS TDDi on an honestjohn launch review - so far the only place :pac:

Maybe it was an irish special, because in general the whole world seems ignorant of it's existence - the only reason I knew of a 90PS TDCi is because my dad owns a Jan 2006 one(and it's definitely commonrail)

maidhc wrote: »

Both the TDCI and TDDI are direct injection.

The TDCI has a high pressure fuel pump.

The 90bhp TDCi came out only in late 2005 a while after the 115bhp model. There was a 90bhp TDDI from the beginning I think.

The TDCi is commonrail. Turbo Diesel Commonrail injection / Turbo Diesel Direct injection.

The TDDi and TDCi are mechanically, essentially the same engines, with the noise difference being generally down to the more refined/modern commonrail system.

colm_mcm

I traded in a 90bhp LX years ago, think it was 04 as it had the newer type climate control. Slow as hell.

Think it was badged TDDI

Damien360

colm_mcm wrote: »

I traded in a 90bhp LX years ago, think it was 04 as it had the newer type climate control. Slow as hell.

Think it was badged TDDI

Yes it was slow as hell but you could'nt break the damn thing. We had 4 in the company and all got over 120,000 miles without a single issue.

The TDCi engine on the otherhand was a lot quicker but it had injector problems. Broke my heart.

Did'nt stop me asking for the new version 1.8TDCi 125bhp one though which has not one single problem and 120,000 kms on it now.

maidhc

Damien360 wrote: »

Did'nt stop me asking for the new version 1.8TDCi 125bhp one though which has not one single problem and 120,000 kms on it now.

Not bad going for an Orion engine.

Tragedy wrote:

The TDCi is commonrail. Turbo Diesel Commonrail injection / Turbo Diesel Direct injection.

Indeed, but my point is the TDCi is both direct injection (i.e. it does not have a prechamber), and common rail. TDCDi would probably be a more correct monkier.

maidhc

bbk wrote: »

Was the Ford TDDI Fords answer to VAG's TDI? And then the TDCI the answer to the PD TDI? Both being higher pressure engines?

Essentially yes, but to be more accurate TDCI was Ford catching up with Fiat JTD 6 years later. PD was just a Volkswagen attempt at high pressure fuel systems, and is now essentially a dead technology.

beachlife

pressure,the difference between the TDDI and TDCI apart from the fact one is common rail and one isn't is fuel pressure to get a diesel to run smoother/cleaner/more economical the more pressure the better,that and new(very expensive) injectors

Savman

Lads, take it from a 115PS TDDi owner, they do exist

TheRealRambo

Lads anyone who has confusion of the existance of a 90ps 2.0litre TDDI take it from me that it exists as i own one, its a 2001 2.0 litre 90ps TDDI not a TDCI, and yes it is slow but i have 145,000 miles on it and not a problem to date with the engine except for a small electronic problem around the 100k mark where as the car kept swithcing itself off after 10 seconds. It done this about 10 or so times and would not rev up, it only idled. it started normally after i left it a while and brought it to the ford garage and they said the computer was due an update.

But other than that absolutely no problems or rattles or smoke or oil leaks

pah

have 2.0 Tdci in work it's a 07 with 220k KM's. Not sure but I think it's the 115bhp 5 speed. spends a fair bit of time in the garage but it's going 24/7. Decent power and performance from it.

I have to say though MY GOD it sounds like a frakking tractor. You can't have a conversation with someone window to window without raising your voice considerably. It might just be bad luck with this particular car but we have diesel laguna and 9-3 at home and they're almost silent by comparison

OisinOD

TDDI are both 115 and 90 . Iv Owned both . 115 give alot of electricial trouble . 90 are BULLETPROOF !! Yes they are louder then tdci . BUT ALOT more reliable . iv also owned 130 tdci . Both TDDI cars iv had had nearly 200 thousand miles when i got them and well over it when i sold them. 130 tdci had 120 when bought and sold at 135 . I PUMPED money into this car . Correct me if im wrong but from my experience ALL TDCI engines from 2002 to 2006 ALL give injectoe trouble betwnn 110 and 130 miles !
Before or after this they are lovely cars to drive with plenty poke . thats my opinion anyway

pah

WHERE did you root this thread out from?

jambofc

time to bring this up again

im looking at an 05 2.0 tdci 115bhp with 170km if it had injector probs surely it would have happened by now or would it ????

biko

No, its not

Use the Buying forum now.