Top .22lr custom barrel makers?

tomcat220t

As above ,im looking to choose a custom barrel for my .22lr .Button or cut ?Was thinking of a border cut barrel .Any imput would be great ,thanks .

FLOYDSTER

tomcat220t wrote: »

As above ,im looking to choose a custom barrel for my .22lr .Button or cut ?Was thinking of a border cut barrel .Any imput would be great ,thanks .

Problem is, you are buying a barrel that could be good or bad!!, it is possible to test barrels at a factory/manufacturers and then select a particular barrel!!

Like many things its a gamble!!:rolleyes:

It wasn't me!

Unfortunately you can't really test aftermarket barrels like the Border he's interested in. Haven't heard a bad thing about the Border barrels though. Button and cut rifling both have their advocates, no clear winner there from my reading. I'd say buy it and forget it. Only issue is, there's no point in my mind having a top notch aftermarket barrel and buying ammo from your local dealer. If you're going down that route, you may as well factor in the cost of a trip to a factory or two, and a batch of ammo, which'll be a big expense. Good luck.

tomcat220t

FLOYDSTER wrote: »

Problem is, you are buying a barrel that could be good or bad!!, it is possible to test barrels at a factory/manufacturers and then select a particular barrel!!

Like many things its a gamble!!:rolleyes:

Some aftermarket barrels are cheaper than others ,that why im thinking of a border cut barrel .I think border use an air gauege to cheak their tolorances

tomcat220t

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Unfortunately you can't really test aftermarket barrels like the Border he's interested in. Haven't heard a bad thing about the Border barrels though. Button and cut rifling both have their advocates, no clear winner there from my reading. I'd say buy it and forget it. Only issue is, there's no point in my mind having a top notch aftermarket barrel and buying ammo from your local dealer. If you're going down that route, you may as well factor in the cost of a trip to a factory or two, and a batch of ammo, which'll be a big expense. Good luck.

Not sure what you mean ?Was thinking of getting the chamber cut to match a certain round .

It wasn't me!

tomcat220t wrote: »

Not sure what you mean ?Was thinking of getting the chamber cut to match a certain round .

Easier with centrefire rounds than rimfire. Let's say you decide you want to use say Eley rounds, with the EPS bullet, there are three different qualities involved there, Team, Match and Tenex, all with the same bullet and dimensions. That's three different externally identical rounds with different tolerances, and a variety of speeds within each tolerance bracket. Rimfire ammunition is just a question of extensive testing. The only useful way to do this is to go to the factories and use their test rigs to ascertain what shoots best for your rifle.

tomcat220t

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Easier with centrefire rounds than rimfire. Let's say you decide you want to use say Eley rounds, with the EPS bullet, there are three different qualities involved there, Team, Match and Tenex, all with the same bullet and dimensions. That's three different externally identical rounds with different tolerances, and a variety of speeds within each tolerance bracket. Rimfire ammunition is just a question of extensive testing. The only useful way to do this is to go to the factories and use their test rigs to ascertain what shoots best for your rifle.

Sorry ,i know what you mean now .Was told that you can send you rifle to Eley in england and they will test it and find which batch shoots best for you .Not sure thats true but sounds good if they do such a service ?

It wasn't me!

tomcat220t wrote: »

Sorry ,i know what you mean now .Was told that you can send you rifle to Eley in england and they will test it and find which batch shoots best for you .Not sure thats true but sounds good if they do such a service ?

They do. There's a dealer in the north (demonloop on Boards) who offers the service and it's very handy and saves the bother of going over yourself. Other places are more difficult however, involving a trip to Germany. You also have to factor in the cost of buying the batch, typically at least 10,000 rounds. You don't batch test in the factory and then buy a thousand or two.

tomcat220t

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They do. There's a dealer in the north (demonloop on Boards) who offers the service and it's very handy and saves the bother of going over yourself. Other places are more difficult however, involving a trip to Germany. You also have to factor in the cost of buying the batch, typically at least 10,000 rounds. You don't batch test in the factory and then buy a thousand or two.

Thanks for the info. Ill look into doing this .

It wasn't me!

tomcat220t wrote: »

Thanks for the info. Ill look into doing this .

No problem. Looking into doing a trip to Germany in the summer myself for some testing and purchasing if the scores merit it and I've got my place booked for a major competition I want to get to.

tomcat220t

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No problem. Looking into doing a trip to Germany in the summer myself for some testing and purchasing if the scores merit it and I've got my place booked for a major competition I want to get to.

I guess your testing laupa ammo or RWS? What sort of .22 do you use ?

It wasn't me!

tomcat220t wrote: »

I guess your testing laupa ammo or RWS? What sort of .22 do you use ?

My gun is an Anschutz 1807L in a Supermatch thumbhole stock. Currently I'm buying Lapua Centre-X to shoot through it, and shooting tiny groups at 25 yards and 50m with it, but I want to be able to get it in proper quantities, and the dealers tend to have a few batches with a brick or two of each. I want to test with Lapua, buy ten or fifteen thousand rounds and just not think about it for two years. I'm shooting prone, not benchrest, but the accuracy requirement are about the same. I'd be looking to have a forty-shot group measuring about 15mm, comprised of four ten-shot groups measuring about 12-13mm each, ideally, but my barrel would be very good. the ten-ring is 10.4mm at 50m, which is forgiving enough, but the competition does call for very accurate rifles with good ammunition. It's narrow at the top of the pyramid.

tomcat220t

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My gun is an Anschutz 1807L in a Supermatch thumbhole stock. Currently I'm buying Lapua Centre-X to shoot through it, and shooting tiny groups at 25 yards and 50m with it, but I want to be able to get it in proper quantities, and the dealers tend to have a few batches with a brick or two of each. I want to test with Lapua, buy ten or fifteen thousand rounds and just not think about it for two years. I'm shooting prone, not benchrest, but the accuracy requirement are about the same. I'd be looking to have a forty-shot group measuring about 15mm, comprised of four ten-shot groups measuring about 12-13mm each, ideally, but my barrel would be very good. the ten-ring is 10.4mm at 50m, which is forgiving enough, but the competition does call for very accurate rifles with good ammunition. It's narrow at the top of the pyramid.

Woo , thats good shooting! Is that a stock Anschutz barrel?Forty shoot groups !!I like the sounds of that

It wasn't me!

tomcat220t wrote: »

Woo , thats good shooting! Is that a stock Anschutz barrel?Forty shoot groups !!I like the sounds of that

Eh, that's not my shooting. that's what I expect from a test rig. I'm happy with five-shot groups under 20mm at a time these days,as long as they're in the middle!

Mine's a stock barrel, with one of those serial numbers people tend to like on their Anschutz rifles.

Testing in the factories tends to involve four ten-shot groups shot from a rig, individually measured and then overlaid to reflect larger groups, hence the forty-shot measurement. Since the ISSF prone event involves 60 shots in position, it's a useful measurement of the capability of the rifles to have such a big group.

tomcat220t

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Eh, that's not my shooting. that's what I expect from a test rig. I'm happy with five-shot groups under 20mm at a time these days,as long as they're in the middle!

Mine's a stock barrel, with one of those serial numbers people tend to like on their Anschutz rifles.

Testing in the factories tends to involve four ten-shot groups shot from a rig, individually measured and then overlaid to reflect larger groups, hence the forty-shot measurement. Since the ISSF prone event involves 60 shots in position, it's a useful measurement of the capability of the rifles to have such a big group.

I get the picture now,sorry .What sort of serial number ya got ?

It wasn't me!

tomcat220t wrote: »

I get the picture now,sorry .What sort of serial number ya got ?

Anschutz serial numbers between 16xxxx and 19xxxx are prized as coming from a kind of golden age. Mine's 18xxxx. Don't know how true it is, but it really is a hell of a shooter.

tomcat220t

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Anschutz serial numbers between 16xxxx and 19xxxx are prized as coming from a kind of golden age. Mine's 18xxxx. Don't know how true it is, but it really is a hell of a shooter.

Not up to date on anschutz ,but they are one of the finest .22 shooters on the market .What sort of groups do you get at 100 yards ?

It wasn't me!

tomcat220t wrote: »

Not up to date on anschutz ,but they are one of the finest .22 shooters on the market .What sort of groups do you get at 100 yards ?

I don't shoot at 100 yards, never been in a competition at that range. Never even done serious testing at it. All factories will test at 50m for you as well. Wouldn't sell my rifle as it stands. Might borescope it in a few years and see whether it merits any attention then, but for now, she shoots fantastically

tomcat220t

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I don't shoot at 100 yards, never been in a competition at that range. Never even done serious testing at it. All factories will test at 50m for you as well. Wouldn't sell my rifle as it stands. Might borescope it in a few years and see whether it merits any attention then, but for now, she shoots fantastically

Thanks for all your help and best of luck with your shooting in the future

It wasn't me!

tomcat220t wrote: »

Thanks for all your help and best of luck with your shooting in the future

Hey, all going to plan, I'll be posting here next year about how much fun I had winning my gold medal at the World University Shooting Championships.

Hibrion

There was an article in sporting rifle last month I think about a lad in England who has come up with a new way to make rifle barrels.
By putting his barrel on a 10 22 he was able to out shoot an Anschutz target rifle. I'll see if I can dig out the magazine and get the details..

Sparks

Someone mentioned that in here earlier Hibrion, something about pressing the outside of the barrel in a die to raise smooth rifling on the inside of the barrel instead of the traditional cut or moulded sharp rifling?

edit: Maybe he was talking about flow forming (which isn't as new as it sounds)?

Mr Flibble

tomcat220t wrote: »

As above ,im looking to choose a custom barrel for my .22lr .Button or cut ?Was thinking of a border cut barrel .Any imput would be great ,thanks .

What type of gun exactly, and for what kind of shooting?

Hibrion

Sparks wrote: »

Someone mentioned that in here earlier Hibrion, something about pressing the outside of the barrel in a die to raise smooth rifling on the inside of the barrel instead of the traditional cut or moulded sharp rifling?

edit: Maybe he was talking about flow forming (which isn't as new as it sounds)?

Sorry for the repetition. Still wouldn't mind having my 10 22 that accurate. Mind you then I'd have to get accurate enough to exploit it!:rolleyes:

intershoot

It wasn't me! wrote: »

They do. There's a dealer in the north (demonloop on Boards) who offers the service and it's very handy and saves the bother of going over yourself. Other places are more difficult however, involving a trip to Germany. You also have to factor in the cost of buying the batch, typically at least 10,000 rounds. You don't batch test in the factory and then buy a thousand or two.

Evenin!

Just thought this may be of some use. Barrels can be tested at Eley on a regular basis, and all testing is done with Tenex. The min purchase of ammo, or a batch, is 5k rounds. generally after putting that through a .22 barrel it's worth doing it again as the harmonics/bolt/headspace may have changed slightly. The cost for testing is £75, plus then the cost of ammo.

The Eley rounds mentioned above, Tenex, Team and Match are all the same round, and made at the same time. How they are graded is by changes accross each batch, mainly in velocity. For example Tenex may have a vel variance accross abatch of +/- 10f/sec. Once the varience is greater that this it becomes Match, which may run to +/- 20f/sec. The next step is then Team.

As testing is about finding a round/batch that suits a particular barrell it makes sence to use the product with least variance, and thus the most consistant result. You shouldnt buy anything producing a 40 shot group greater than 17mm at 50m. typically you should be getting 15-16mm groups to justify paying £190/thousand for Tenex.

Need any more help email me at;

sam@intershoot.co.uk

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