training advice

sonofthegun

lads can anyone recomend a good book or dvd on training a red setter i have trained my other dog but but hes basic enough as we only use him for duck on the ponds and rivers i have been told that red setters ar hard work but i dont mind that just need a few pointers on how and where to start thanks sotg.

irish setter

how old is your pup? what standard do you want him to. generally the only training you need to do is to have your dog under control which can be as simple as the recall. there are other things like dropping to flush and shot, quartering and turning your dog but do you really need them installed? nobody can teach a setter to hunt or set, these things come natural and he learns himself with experience. you could train your dog to a high standard but this often requires alot of handling of the dog and for the ordinary shooting man is totally not needed. red setters BTW are no easier or harder to train than most dogs but the only thing is they are slower to mature than most so you won't see the best of him till he is at least 4 yrs old.

EPointer=Birdss

irish setter wrote: »

how old is your pup? what standard do you want him to. generally the only training you need to do is to have your dog under control which can be as simple as the recall. there are other things like dropping to flush and shot, quartering and turning your dog but do you really need them installed? nobody can teach a setter to hunt or set, these things come natural and he learns himself with experience. you could train your dog to a high standard but this often requires alot of handling of the dog and for the ordinary shooting man is totally not needed. quote]

Agreed. Do you go for drop to flush & shot IS?
I'm with you on the recall, most important of all commands.

sonofthegun

he is only 16 weeks old so we are doing some bonding mostly but when i am working with the retriever on his basics the setter is really interested and will sit and stay and come to the whistel but i say he is just copying the older dog i only want to train him to a good rough shooting standard both his parents are excellent rough shooting dogs so i hope its breed into him

irish setter

sonofthegun wrote: »

he is only 16 weeks old so we are doing some bonding mostly but when i am working with the retriever on his basics the setter is really interested and will sit and stay and come to the whistel but i say he is just copying the older dog i only want to train him to a good rough shooting standard both his parents are excellent rough shooting dogs so i hope its breed into him

12 weeks and the pup should be started as this is the time he will learn most and keep it. look up the site glencuan pointers and there is a section in that called the drop. teach this and the recall and maybe do some retrieving till he is eight months or so and do them by voice only, throw away your whistle till later, that can be introduced later in a matter of a day or 2. thats all you need do for now.
Epointer, i never bothered with the drop too much till recently but i'll be entering some trials this feb with my new pup so he is trained to drop flush and shot

sonofthegun

irish setter thanks for the advice and info will be getting down to work with him over the next few weeks just hope the weather picks up and we get a streatch in the evenings thanks again;)

deeksofdoom

irish setter wrote: »

12 weeks and the pup should be started as this is the time he will learn most and keep it. look up the site glencuan pointers and there is a section in that called the drop. teach this and the recall and maybe do some retrieving till he is eight months or so and do them by voice only, throw away your whistle till later, that can be introduced later in a matter of a day or 2. thats all you need do for now.
Epointer, i never bothered with the drop too much till recently but i'll be entering some trials this feb with my new pup so he is trained to drop flush and shot

I'ld use the whistle straight away, especially at meal times, I'ld call him and give him the bowl of food.