Automated parking fines via CCTV to force UK drivers to obey

Run_to_da_hills

An increasing number of councils accross the UK are using CCTV to record parking rule infringements, with automated fine notices then sent to the vehicle's owner.

We have all heard the same story with automated summonses issued by the Westlink toll plaza. :rolleyes:

A problem with this system is that you don't get a ticket on your windscreen so you will not know for some time before you get the violation.

These cameras are posted over yellow or red lines, in bus zones, on zig zags or in a restricted bay. They cannot destinguish if a driver has pulled over to look at a map, or a disabled driver.

These cameras also have the advantage over a parking warden in that they can take any amount of abuse.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242513/CCTV-cameras-collecting-3million-year-ghost-parking-tickets.html#ixzz0cUTODQmR

The subject also appeared in the Tiimes last year.

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Berty

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

These cameras also have the advantage over a parking warden in that they can take any amount of abuse.

I don't think so.

galwaytt

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

These cameras also have the advantage over a parking warden in that they can take any amount of abuse.

...Ha! I don't think so !/

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

These cameras also have the advantage over a parking warden in that they can take any amount of VERBAL abuse.

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biko

Interesting, I'll remember that - when I'm in the UK!

:P

Fighting Irish

They need loadsa these in Ireland, especially for the people who think it's ok to "stick on my hazards and park on double yellow lines"

Run_to_da_hills

Fighting Irish wrote: »

They need loadsa these in Ireland, especially for the people who think it's ok to "stick on my hazards and park on double yellow lines"

We already have clampers :mad:

monkeypants

So if you feel you don't deserve the ticket, then you won't be able to appeal. Doesn't sound right. Besides, CCTV quality is normally rubbish.

Anan1

monkeypants wrote: »

So if you feel you don't deserve the ticket, then you won't be able to appeal. Doesn't sound right. Besides, CCTV quality is normally rubbish.

I would have thought appeals would be easier with cctv, as there would be more information in the system.

I got stung twice like this when I was living in the UK. The first was for parking on a street which had a sign "pay and display between 8am and 5pm" I took that to mean it was free after 5pm. A week later I received a fine, went back and looked at the sign and in very small writing it had "clearway from 5pm to 7pm".

The second was for "stopping" (for a few seconds) in a yellow box which was caused by the car in front of me refusing to drive through a gap inside a car turning right which id have driven a tractor and lowloader through, you could clearly see on the pic they sent that there was room for him and that id have easily cleared the junction had he been able to drive :mad:. If it was here or I had been living there longer id have appealed both but I was only there a short time and couldnt take the risk of having to pay an increased fine as money was tight.

Anan1

Charlee Shapely Windowpane wrote: »

I got stung twice like this when I was living in the UK. The first was for parking on a street which had a sign "pay and display between 8am and 5pm" I took that to mean it was free after 5pm. A week later I received a fine, went back and looked at the sign and in very small writing it had "clearway from 5pm to 7pm".

The second was for "stopping" (for a few seconds) in a yellow box which was caused by the car in front of me refusing to drive through a gap inside a car turning right which id have driven a tractor and lowloader through, you could clearly see on the pic they sent that there was room for him and that id have easily cleared the junction had he been able to drive :mad:. If it was here or I had been living there longer id have appealed both but I was only there a short time and couldnt take the risk of having to pay an increased fine as money was tight.

From the description you gave, i'd say your appeals would both have been turned down.;)

Anan1

Anan1 wrote: »

From the description you gave, i'd say your appeals would both have been turned down.;)

Id have been fairly confident on the parking one. I heard from one or two people who successfully appealed it on the grounds of misleading signage. it took a lot of work though and were more or less let of just to get rid of them. I probably would have got nowhere with the second,I think I still have the photo though anyone who saw it would agree the guy in front of me was a clown.

Run_to_da_hills

monkeypants wrote: »

So if you feel you don't deserve the ticket, then you won't be able to appeal. Doesn't sound right. Besides, CCTV quality is normally rubbish.

In the past yes, most traffic related CCTV's now have built in ANPR and are surprisingly accurate with many containing pan, tilt and zoom features.

monkeypants

Anan1 wrote: »

I would have thought appeals would be easier with cctv, as there would be more information in the system.

I used to live in the UK and I know a lot of people who upon returning to their car found parking tickets left. They therefore were immediately aware of the accusation and were able to take photos of anything that contradicted the ticket, dodgy signage, things like that. If you don't receive the ticket for a week or more, that option is no longer open to you. It's seems like a shortcut to due process.

robtri

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

In the past yes, most of traffic related CCTV's have built in ANPR and are surprisingly accurate with many containing pan, tilt and zoom features.

and?????
surely this is better as it will help support your case when their is a dispute......

Anan1

monkeypants wrote: »

I used to live in the UK and I know a lot of people who upon returning to their car found parking tickets left. They therefore were immediately aware of the accusation and were able to take photos of anything that contradicted the ticket, dodgy signage, things like that. If you don't receive the ticket for a week or more, that option is no longer open to you. It's seems like a shortcut to due process.

That's a fair point. Mind you, the Gardai already issue paperless tickets so it's not something that will change with CCTV. Speeding cameras are the same.

Run_to_da_hills

robtri wrote: »

and?????
surely this is better as it will help support your case when their is a dispute......

Yes true but the accuracy of these cameras also raise privacy concerns. There was a number of incidents where Gatso camera images were depicting clear facial images of "unauthorized" passengers.

daveharnett

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Yes true but the accuracy of these cameras also raise privacy concerns. There was a number of incidents where Gatso camera images were depicting clear facial images of "unauthorized" passengers.

Here we go. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy while driving on a public road.

monkeypants

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

"unauthorized" passengers.

Sorry, what's an unauthorised passenger?

Fighting Irish

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

We already have clampers :mad:

Yes and we need more, follow the rules and you won't get clamped

Traumadoc

monkeypants wrote: »

Sorry, what's an unauthorised passenger?

Not your spouse.

Guy:Incognito

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

These cameras are posted over yellow or red lines, in bus zones, on zig zags or in a restricted bay. They cannot destinguish if a driver has pulled over to look at a map, or a disabled driver.r.

Do disabled badges excuse you from the rules? Great must get one of those.



and why the rolleyes after teh bit about the westlink? Was it better to spend an hour queing to throw money in a bucket?