Gallery Rifle - Some Info? Thanks

dCorbus

Anyone have any advice on what rifles / calibres are best for Gallery Rifle shooting? Thanks.

Does this discipline require the use of a s/a or will a bolt action do the job?

What distances is this shot competitively?

etc.

Would be interested in trying out Gallery Rifle in the near future (Shooting target only for now), so would be interested to see what gear is needed for this discipline?

Any advice, recommendations, etc. welcome! Thanks.

dC

It wasn't me!

So far as I know, rimfire gallery rifle is usually shot with tricked out semis, while centrefire rifle is usually shot with lever actions in .38/.357 or .44 mag.

dCorbus

Thanks IWM
Have you shot Gallery Rifle before?
Any cross-over in skills from the target shooting we're used to?:D

Is .223 c/f semi used in the GR discipline at all?

It wasn't me!

dCorbus wrote: »

Thanks IWM
Have you shot Gallery Rifle before?
Any cross-over in skills from the target shooting we're used to?:D

Is .223 c/f semi used in the GR discipline at all?

Nope, never shot it, looks like a lot of fun though.

There's skill transfer whatever kind of shooting you do. It's all about sight alignment and trigger control. All you will ever have to do in any kind of target shooting is point the rifle at the target and then keep it there while you break the shot.

No idea about .223 semis. There are a few guys shooting it here though, so they'll enlighten you I'm sure.

dCorbus

All you will ever have to do in any kind of target shooting is point the rifle at the target and then keep it there while you break the shot

You mean: the "aim at the middle and hit it" kind of approach!:D V. true!

It wasn't me!

dCorbus wrote: »

You mean: the "aim at the middle and hit it" kind of approach!:D V. true!

If you ever hear better advice than "look down the sights and shoot it in the middle", I want to know about it!

dCorbus

If I hear of any better advice than that, I may just have to keep it top secret!:p

Well, these (Not So) Ancient Zen Masters of Shooting know what they're talking about - Succinct and to the point! Distilling many years of training into one sentence of pithy advice!;)

rrpc

It's mostly about speed. Head on over to www.nasrpc.ie and read all about it.

Semis and underlevers are the name of the game. Most of the rimfire lads use the dreaded 10/22 so it can't be about accuracy

Bananaman

NASRPC is the NGB for Gallery Rifle shooting and run many competitions throughout the year.

It is broken in to

Smallbore - .22 - most people use Semis - Ruger 10/22 and Browning Buckmark seem to be the most popular at the moment and

Centrefire - UnderLevel Rifles, Pistol Calibres - .38/.357/.44 - as that is what most ranges are authorised for. Marlin are very popular.
Larger Centrefire Rifle calibres such as .223 are not supported.

Both Disciplines use the same courses of fire - there are a number of competition disciplines - but different target types.

The Competitions are basic target shooting, with a reasonable time limit, shot out to 50m .

Contact the NASRPC for more information

B'Man

rrpc

Bananaman wrote: »

Centrefire - UnderLevel Rifles, Pistol Calibres - .38/.357/.44 - as that is what most ranges are authorised for. Marlin are very popular.
Larger Centrefire Rifle calibres such as .223 are not supported.

Larger?

Rovi

dCorbus wrote: »

Is .223 c/f semi used in the GR discipline at all?

Bananaman has given a good breakdown of the calibres commonly used, but I'm pretty sure the general rule is that Gallery Rifle is shot with rifles chambered in pistol calibres.

High-velocity rifle calibres (like .223 Rem) aren't used because the sport is pursued on pistol ranges.

rowa

its a dreadful pity that the calibres over .308 are now restricted , after all a .38 special has less than half the power of a .308 winchester despite being of larger calibre .
a better and more sensible way to go would have been to have a list of restricted calibres , eg. .50 bmg ,.408 cheytac, .338 lapua etc .

It wasn't me!

rowa wrote: »

its a dreadful pity that the calibres over .308 are now restricted , after all a .38 special has less than half the power of a .308 winchester despite being of larger calibre .
a better and more sensible way to go would have been to have a list of restricted calibres , eg. .50 bmg ,.408 cheytac, .338 lapua etc .

You'd get into at least as much trouble there as you would with the list of unrestricted pistols in Annex F of the commissioner's guidelines. The other option is to have a muzzle energy qualification, but what happens when a particular round straddles it? Say for instance the limit is 3,500 foot pounds? Say a given round has a 165 grain load that makes 3,400, and a 180 grain load making 3,600. Can you buy one loading but not the other? What if you've a shorter barrel that won't make the velocity, can you then get the heavier one, because it won't make the muzzle energy requirements? Every time you went to buy ammo, you'd have to bring authenticated chronograph readings for your rifle to prove it wasn't restricted with the ammo. there's no useful way to do that, to be honest.

rowa

It wasn't me! wrote: »

You'd get into at least as much trouble there as you would with the list of unrestricted pistols in Annex F of the commissioner's guidelines. The other option is to have a muzzle energy qualification, but what happens when a particular round straddles it? Say for instance the limit is 3,500 foot pounds? Say a given round has a 165 grain load that makes 3,400, and a 180 grain load making 3,600. Can you buy one loading but not the other? What if you've a shorter barrel that won't make the velocity, can you then get the heavier one, because it won't make the muzzle energy requirements? Every time you went to buy ammo, you'd have to bring authenticated chronograph readings for your rifle to prove it wasn't restricted with the ammo. there's no useful way to do that, to be honest.

thats how the mod in england restricts the power of rifles used on its ranges , they have a limit of so many joules and thats it , what they say go's , and anyway most of the centrefire rifles used for gallery are not massively powerful and a lot less powerful than most of the common deer calibres .

i think the thinking behind the recent legislation was to get the really large calibres out of the loop , the .338's and the like .

It wasn't me!

rowa wrote: »

thats how the mod in england restricts the power of rifles used on its ranges , they have a limit of so many joules and thats it , what they say go's , and anyway most of the centrefire rifles used for gallery are not massively powerful and a lot less powerful than most of the common deer calibres .

i think the thinking behind the recent legislation was to get the really large calibres out of the loop , the .338's and the like .

Yeah, I know. They also impose muzzle velocity limits as well, which doesn't really make sense either. I just don't see where the line is where it stops being okay for people to have certain firearms, provided they have a safe place to use them and fulfill the personal requirements. What about a .338 Win Mag or a .375 H&H Mag because you hunt abroad? What about a .375 for boar, because it allows you the opportunity to do dangerous game in Africa? What if they don't want you to get that just because you don't have the plane tickets to Namibia already? That's not right, is it?

CJhaughey

Much the same as the rest of the new licensing waffle, dangerous looking shotguns,tactical rifles, large calibres etc etc.
Optics is what they call it I believe.

Grizzly 45

Is 9mm used in Gallery rifle here??.There was an article in this months Target sports about some lad who built a 9mm upper with a pretty unique straight pull bolt action system on an AR15 platform.Looked the biz..

rrpc

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Is 9mm used in Gallery rifle here??.There was an article in this months Target sports about some lad who built a 9mm upper with a pretty unique straight pull bolt action system on an AR15 platform.Looked the biz..

Here's the actual rules on calibres and rifles:

A2.2 GRCF – Gallery Rifle Centre Fire
A2.2.1 Any Gallery Rifle in a centrefire pistol calibre (see above) which is, in the opinion of the NRA(UK), of conventional design and safe, may be used. The standard for GRCF is a leveraction rifle with an integral tube magazine. Gallery Rifles of different designs (e.g. with detachable box magazines or revolvers with shoulder stocks) are permitted in most events.

A2.2.2 All GRCF must comply with the following:
a. Calibre. Any centrefire pistol calibre as defined above. The muzzle velocity must not exceed 2150 ft/sec and the muzzle energy must not exceed 1496 ft. lbs. The use of supplemental chamber inserts in full-bore rifles is permitted (e.g. .45 Colt in a .577/.450, 32 ACP in .303 etc.). “Downloaded” full-bore rifle ammunition is not permitted.

Bananaman

If you get a license for an underlever rifle chambered in a pistol calibre which the range you are attending is authorised for, then you can use it in Gallery Rifle.

The Rifle you saw in Target Sports is for a sport known in the U.K as Mini Rifle - this is NOT gallery Rifle.

High Velocity Calibres are NOT used in Gallery Rifle.

Remember that the topic of this thread is Gallery Rifle so please lets try not to confuse it with waffling about other stuff - I may get banned for backseat modding but I do not want some looking up Gallery Rifle on google - finding this thread and finding people talking about 9mm semi rifles or .338 Lapua rifles. They are not relevant.

It is fairly obvious that the 'informed wisdom' is that people on here know feck all so will make up stuff - if you want to know about Gallery Rifle, ask in your club and if they do not take part in it then ask the NASRPC.


B'Man

dCorbus

Thanks for getting us back on topic, b'man!:D

I've had a look at the NASRPC website - Loads of info there, thanks, and I'll be in touch with the NASRPC lads shortly.

Was hoping some of the lads and ladies on here had first-hand experience.:rolleyes:

Some specific questions, e.g.:

I shoot in MNSCI, which doesn't (AFAI Am Aware) cater for Gallery Rifle. Does this mean that one would have to join another Club or Range to shoot Gallery?

Or can one compete in the NASRPC competitions regardless of club / range membership? i.e. Are they "Open" competitions?

My own current smallbore rifle is a CZ452 Silhouette with 8 - 24 Scope (Standard Bolt Action with factory 5 round .22lr Mag) - Can this be used for Gallery Shooting? or would a semi be more applicable?

Smallbore - .22 - most people use Semis - Ruger 10/22 and Browning Buckmark seem to be the most popular at the moment

I see the good ol' Ruger 10/22 get's a mention - Can any Semi-auto .22lr be used? If so, what are other common rifles used?

I thought the Buckmark was a rimfire pistol?

The Rifle you saw in Target Sports is for a sport known in the U.K as Mini Rifle - this is NOT gallery Rifle

Thanks B'Man - How does Mini Rifle differ from Gallery Rifle? Is Mini Rifle shot in Ireland? (Or does that drift into the dangerous black-gun territory?:rolleyes:)

So, to stay on topic:D - Anyone with first-hand experience and advice on taking up GR?

rrpc

dCorbus wrote: »

I shoot in MNSCI, which doesn't (AFAI Am Aware) cater for Gallery Rifle. Does this mean that one would have to join another Club or Range to shoot Gallery?

Or can one compete in the NASRPC competitions regardless of club / range membership? i.e. Are they "Open" competitions?

AFAIK you have to be a member of an NASRPC club to take part in NASRPC competitions. I don't think Midlands are affiliated to the NASRPC.

My own current smallbore rifle is a CZ452 Silhouette with 8 - 24 Scope (Standard Bolt Action with factory 5 round .22lr Mag) - Can this be used for Gallery Shooting? or would a semi be more applicable?

You could use it but would be at a disadvantage to the lads with semis.

I see the good ol' Ruger 10/22 get's a mention - Can any Semi-auto .22lr be used? If so, what are other common rifles used?

Yes

Sorry, just saw the second part of the question. There aren't that many semis on the market that are any good tbh. The best one I've tried is the Buckmark, the Ruger is not as good and the others are below that again. There's an Anschutz (which isn't made by Anschutz) and Marlin as well as Remington.

I thought the Buckmark was a rimfire pistol?

There's a rifle version which is effectively the pistol with a stock and a longer barrel. Unfortunately it is restricted as it falls under the definition of a bullpup as the magazine is behind the action.

Bananaman

dCorbus wrote: »

I shoot in MNSCI, which doesn't (AFAI Am Aware) cater for Gallery Rifle. Does this mean that one would have to join another Club or Range to shoot Gallery?

Midlands Pistol Range, as an authorised centrefire pistol range would be suitable for Gallery Rifle @ 25m --- provided the Range operator sanctioned it.

dCorbus wrote: »

Or can one compete in the NASRPC competitions regardless of club / range membership? i.e. Are they "Open" competitions?

As far as I am aware, the NASRPC Competitions are open to any license holders.

You can enter NASRPC competitions as a member of MNSCI, however, as MNSCI is not currently affiliated you would not be eligible to win NASRPC National Awards - wouldn't stop you shooting and winning, you'd just have to throw cabbage from the back at the awards dinner :-)

dCorbus wrote: »

My own current smallbore rifle is a CZ452 Silhouette with 8 - 24 Scope (Standard Bolt Action with factory 5 round .22lr Mag) - Can this be used for Gallery Shooting? or would a semi be more applicable?

Some of the details in some of the disciplines would be too short on time with the bolt action unless you can operate it quite fast, so a semi would be more suitable - you'd get your ass kicked. I'm sure, however, that if enough people with bolt actions wanted to have a competition a separate 'class' could be created to facilitate it and not put them at a disadvantage.

dCorbus wrote: »

I see the good ol' Ruger 10/22 get's a mention - Can any Semi-auto .22lr be used? If so, what are other common rifles used?

Most common, here in Ireland are 10/22 and Browning Buckmark.
You'd have to suggest a rifle to the NASRPC to see if it would be suitable.

dCorbus wrote: »

I thought the Buckmark was a rimfire pistol?

Browning produce some of the best made sporting firearms in the world.
They make a range of Buckmark Pistols and Buckmark Rifles.
As RRPC has said, he thinks the Buckmark Rifle is a bullpup - we all know it is not and the decision as to whether or not it is a restricted firearm lies with your local Garda Superintendent - what that means is it depends where you live whether or not it is.

Thanks B'Man - How does Mini Rifle differ from Gallery Rifle? Is Mini Rifle shot in Ireland? (Or does that drift into the dangerous black-gun territory?:rolleyes:)

Suffice it to say you won't be doing it on this fair isle any time soon. You'd never get a license for the rifle to begin with so that's the end of that.

So, to stay on topic:D - Anyone with first-hand experience and advice on taking up GR?

I have shot both GRCF and GRSB and they are both tough disciplines but good craic. The standard in Ireland is quite high - I shot 3 off the possible one day and I wasn't even in the top 10. If you are thinking of taking up GR PM me for more info.

B'Man

Grizzly 45

Suffice it to say you won't be doing it on this fair isle any time soon. You'd never get a license for the rifle to begin with so that's the end of that.

Based on what exactly????
just snobbery,that it mght upset traditionalists or ..... And is it possible to answer a mans question without being flippant about it??? :rolleyes:

Maybe you should read the article Bman before going off half cocked..:rolleyes:You wont get a SEMI AUTO rifle in the UK above .22 magnum anyway!So where you got that from is beyond me!
The rifle is a STRAIGHTPULL bolt action with a new type of return locking action.
Specifically built with Home office guidance and clearence not violate the semi auto rule.


Later
Ok I can see your point why it could be a problem in its current format here.However as it is a "new" sport even in the UK.There is no reason as to why it could not be adapted to Irish legislation and conditions.
However I would question could it be done here without it being made into a complete hames by all concerned.

Bananaman

Nothing to do with Gallery Rifle.

Good luck with it.

B'Man

rrpc

Bananaman wrote: »

As RRPC has said, he thinks the Buckmark Rifle is a bullpup - we all know it is not and the decision as to whether or not it is a restricted firearm lies with your local Garda Superintendent - what that means is it depends where you live whether or not it is.

Bananaman, the law is very clear in its definition of a bullpup, we might not agree with it but that does not affect it's clarity:

“bullpup rifles” means rifles with a magazine located behind the trigger;

The decision as to whether your application is for a restricted or non-restricted firearm rests with the applicant not the Gardai, so what individual Gardai think is irrelevant. I've stated earlier what to do should Gardai insist you change the status of your application against your wishes.

You sign the FCA1 form declaring that you have filled it out to the best of your knowledge and that you accept that you are liable to prosecution for giving false or misleading information.

Sparks

Moved to Target Shooting.

Valhalla18

Getting back to the original question if you go to Galleryrifle.com and click on the Skills section you will find some articles on gallery rifle written by Gwyn Roberts explaining a lot about what is needed and how to shoot both Gallery rifle Centrefire & Smallbore.You can also look up shootfastdontmiss.co.uk another site with mostly Gallery rifle. As the NASRPC are hopefully going to be publishing the shooting calender for this year soon have a look at where there is going to be some events near you and go along and have a go , you will see what the different shooters are using and most of us will be only too happy to talk about any questions you might have ,regards Valhalla18,.

Darr

We are hoping to set up some GR course at our club (brpr.ie) in the near future just trying to get numbers sorted at the moment .

hopefully will be a runner as its fun to do .

Dar

4gun

can you use 22wmr ammo, read the rules on the link and it just said 22 rimfire, but i'm presuming that a 10 rnd mag is a must have
long story short would a brno 611 be suitable:o

Bananaman

Smallbore Gallery Rifle Competitions are held with semi rifles which are chambered for 22lr ammunition.

Most Popular in Ireland at the moment are Ruger 10/22 and Browning Buckmark.

You are only allowed to load 6 rounds in any magazine so yes - you do need a 10 round magazine - unless you happen to have 6 round magazines.

B'Man

Valhalla18

Just be carefull aswell about ammo as some clubs dont allow high velocity or hollow point , ie , Yellow Jackets etc.

Bananaman

If you have any specific questions about Gallery Rifle contact the NASRPC.

If you have any specific questions about what is allowed at a particular competition then contact the NASRPC or the host range.

The intention is to be inclusive without giving anyone a particular advantage.

B'Man

4gun

Bananaman wrote: »

Smallbore Gallery Rifle Competitions are held with semi rifles which are chambered for 22lr ammunition.

Most Popular in Ireland at the moment are Ruger 10/22 and Browning Buckmark.

You are only allowed to load 6 rounds in any magazine so yes - you do need a 10 round magazine - unless you happen to have 6 round magazines.

B'Man

I have a6 round mag in the gu but its a 22wmr I didn't see any thing about not being able to use it in the link posted earlier
Is it only 22lr thats allowed in the rimfire class

Valhalla18

It is not only .22lr that is allowed , in the rules for smallbore gallery it only states -.22 rimfire only , & for Gallery Rifle Centrefire it states - Any Centre fire pistol calibre. The muzzle velocity must not exceed 2150 ft/sec and the muzzle energy must not exceed 1496 ft lbs. The use of supplemental chamber inserts in fullbore rifle is permitted ( eg .45 Colt in a .577/.450 , 32 ACP in 303 etc )Downloaded fullbore rifle ammunition is not permitted.

Above taken from NRA Gallery Rifle & Pistol Handbook.

Because you use a magnum not all ranges allow them in smallbore ( our own range does not ).

.22 lr is by far the most common with Ruger 10/22 & some Browning Buckmarks ( have only seen 3 of them been used ). You can actually use bolt action rifles - (there is a guy on youtube using one in Bisley) - but because the first part of a 1500 full event is - load with 6 rounds , fire them & then reload another 6 and fire them all in 20 seconds you need to be fairly confident of your ability with a bolt action. Saying that Gallery Rifle is a very fun event and i would recommend people give it a try , .

So as Bananaman says contact NASRPC who can put you in contact with the new Gallery Rifle Coordinators who will hopefully answer any questions you have.

Greenacre

The NASRPC is running a fundraiser on the 13th & 14th February at Hilltop in Wicklow and have Gallery Rifle centerfire and smallbore competitions scheduled.