Research

learn

Is there an innovative cycling research area available in Dublin. I am interested in the improvement in both the performance and medical aspects of TT pedalling. The breakthrough has already been made, it's now a matter of putting these amazing discoveries to the test.

Junior

I smell spam.

Lumen

Junior wrote: »

I smell spam.

You think that spam is the secret of high performance TT pedalling? Do I eat it or put it in my shoes? I'm intrigued.

IM0

I agree, the positive implications for that research are boundless.

learn

Lumen wrote: »

You think that spam is the secret of high performance TT pedalling? Do I eat it or put it in my shoes? I'm intrigued.

The problem with cycling is that like sheep everyone blindly follows the advice of the "experts", but in some aspects of the sport they have not a clue as to the correct way of doing it. You don't eat it or put it in your shoes, you use your brain and get far more productivity by using additional muscles in the safest possible and UCI legal way.

Russman

With respect, while there are undoubtedly advances in modern training and conditioning (in all sports), cycling has been around for long enough I think the Euros would have figured out the best way to pedal by now. I appreciate the aerodynamic advances and refined body positions in the last 10-15 (?) years etc, but pedalling ?

I'm new enough to cycling (well, returning to cycling) and could well stand corrected however

Captain Havoc

Junior wrote: »

I smell spam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

leftism

I'm doing some work on cycling physiology and biomechanics in TCD. Looking at muscle recruitment patterns and muscle fatigue at varying cadences, power outputs and riding positions etc. Was part of some work in our lab on cycling efficiency and muscle recruitment patterns using different length cranks a few years ago also. Didn't find any significant differences though if memory serves correct.

I'd be interested to hear your views on cycling biomechanics and any breakthrough theories you might have. To be honest though, there is little new 'breakthrough' research out there that hasnt already been tested and covered in the many human performance labs and UCI pro teams around the world (Leuven (BEL) and Austin, Texas being two of the big labs).

learn

Russman wrote: »

With respect, while there are undoubtedly advances in modern training and conditioning (in all sports), cycling has been around for long enough I think the Euros would have figured out the best way to pedal by now. I appreciate the aerodynamic advances and refined body positions in the last 10-15 (?) years etc, but pedalling ?

I'm new enough to cycling (well, returning to cycling) and could well stand corrected however

The Euros have yet to figure out how Anquetil powered his pedals in TT's and that is the clue to my discovery, but even Anquetil failed to perfect his own technique for even greater pedal power and realize its medical advantages, his lack of aerodynamic steering equipment prevented him from doing so.

tunney

This isn't Frank and his Powercranks is it?

learn

leftism wrote: »

I'm doing some work on cycling physiology and biomechanics in TCD. Looking at muscle recruitment patterns and muscle fatigue at varying cadences, power outputs and riding positions etc. Was part of some work in our lab on cycling efficiency and muscle recruitment patterns using different length cranks a few years ago also. Didn't find any significant differences though if memory serves correct.

I'd be interested to hear your views on cycling biomechanics and any breakthrough theories you might have. To be honest though, there is little new 'breakthrough' research out there that hasnt already been tested and covered in the many human performance labs and UCI pro teams around the world (Leuven (BEL) and Austin, Texas being two of the big labs).

These are not theories they are facts. Over ten years ago I made the discovery of this new technique, since then I have done further experimenting and perfecting. While everyone accepts the dead spot area around 12 o'c as an immovable disadvantage in pedalling, the fact is, with the right technique it can be replaced with the same maximal torque as that applied at 3 o'c and by removing that 12 o'c area, the 6 o'c dead spot area is automatically removed.

leftism

Haha. No its not Frank.

I'm in the Human Performance Lab in TCD too. Helped out with some of the data processing on that study.

Were you a guinnea pig for that one? Those powercranks were an aweful waste of time IMO... I think all we found out was that if you're training with 175's all year, probably you're gonna be more comfortable and efficient with 175's.

leftism

learn wrote: »

These are not theories they are facts. Over ten years ago I made the discovery of this new technique, since then I have done further experimenting and perfecting. While everyone accepts the dead spot area around 12 o'c as an immovable disadvantage in pedalling, the fact is, with the right technique it can be replaced with the same maximal torque as that applied at 3 o'c and by removing that 12 o'c area, the 6 o'c dead spot area is automatically removed.

Sounds interesting. We just ordered a new cycle ergometer which will measure applied force to the cranks amongst other things. Should be in the lab in March so if you want to come in for a test we can take a look at this technique you're talking about.

Have you any data on power outputs, relative heart rates and lactates etc?

While you are correct in saying that there is a lack of force production at top dead centre (12 o'c), i would argue that this is an important recovery period which is critical for cycling efficiency. The correct timing and activation of the leg muscles during the pedalling cycle is critical in order to achieve effective force production WITH appropriate recovery time between epochs. Producing additional torque between 9o'c and 12o'c would in theory improve power but you would probably tire out very quickly. Lactates would be up, and efficiency would be down... Just my opinion.

Again, i'm sure we'd be happy to run some tests in March and take a look at it...

niceonetom

learn wrote: »

These are not theories they are facts. Over ten years ago I made the discovery of this new technique, since then I have done further experimenting and perfecting. While everyone accepts the dead spot area around 12 o'c as an immovable disadvantage in pedalling, the fact is, with the right technique it can be replaced with the same maximal torque as that applied at 3 o'c and by removing that 12 o'c area, the 6 o'c dead spot area is automatically removed.

Wow, congrats! So, with this magnificent discovery can we expect you to dominate the TT scene this season?

Tell me... are you prepared to share your new technique with others? Perhaps for a low-low fee?

learn

leftism wrote: »

Sounds interesting. We just ordered a new cycle ergometer which will measure applied force to the cranks amongst other things. Should be in the lab in March so if you want to come in for a test we can take a look at this technique you're talking about.

Have you any data on power outputs, relative heart rates and lactates etc?

While you are correct in saying that there is a lack of force production at top dead centre (12 o'c), i would argue that this is an important recovery period which is critical for cycling efficiency. The correct timing and activation of the leg muscles during the pedalling cycle is critical in order to achieve effective force production WITH appropriate recovery time between epochs. Producing additional torque between 9o'c and 12o'c would in theory improve power but you would probably tire out very quickly. Lactates would be up, and efficiency would be down... Just my opinion.

Again, i'm sure we'd be happy to run some tests in March and take a look at it...

Producing additional torque between 9 and 12 is Frank's (The Powercrank man) idea. Hip flexors cannot produce effective torque. In my technique each leg generates almost continuous max torque between 11 and 5 o'c and recovers during the drawback between 5 and 11 o'c, there is the normal reduction in torque between 4 and 5 o'c. The arms alternately also discreetly play a very active role in producing the additional resistance that is necessary for max torque around 12 o'c. I do not have any data, I am only interested in finding the perfect pedalling style, the scientific evaluations can be done by others.
Does that new ergometer measure accurate crank torque throughout the pedalling circle. Are ergometers designed more for measuring human performance rather than pedalling effectiveness.

leftism

learn wrote: »

Does that new ergometer measure accurate crank torque throughout the pedalling circle. Are ergometers designed more for measuring human performance rather than pedalling effectiveness.

The erg will have built in strain gauges capable of measuring torque throughout the pedalling cycle and transmit the data to a computer in realtime. I don't have the exact specifications but we already have a magnetically loaded excallibur erg which can control fixed power outputs at varying cadence, or fixed cadences at varying power outputs. The excallibur is more for human performance so we are getting this bike for doing windgate and critical power tests, while allowing us to analyse force production during each pedal stroke.

petethedrummer

learn wrote: »

Is there an innovative cycling research area available in Dublin.

Yes, the innovative cycling research centre is right next door to the velodrome.

Biologic

Is there an innovative cycling research area available in Dublin. I am interested in the improvement in both the performance and medical aspects of TT pedalling. The breakthrough has already been made, it's now a matter of putting these amazing discoveries to the test.

I agree with what you're saying but the syntax of your sentences confuses me a tad. Basically my question is: Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? If you can answer that I'll sponsor you to do whatever research you like.

petethedrummer

I don't think anyone could answer that question.

learn

leftism wrote: »

I'm doing some work on cycling physiology and biomechanics in TCD. Looking at muscle recruitment patterns and muscle fatigue at varying cadences, power outputs and riding positions etc. Was part of some work in our lab on cycling efficiency and muscle recruitment patterns using different length cranks a few years ago also. Didn't find any significant differences though if memory serves correct.

I'd be interested to hear your views on cycling biomechanics and any breakthrough theories you might have. To be honest though, there is little new 'breakthrough' research out there that hasnt already been tested and covered in the many human performance labs and UCI pro teams around the world (Leuven (BEL) and Austin, Texas being two of the big labs).

After many years of cycling's lower back pain research in some of the world's best labs, experts are no wiser now than when they first started. For those who suffer from the worst persistant "on the bike" lower back pain, despite using the recommended perfect bike fit, set-up and position, the root cause is the continuous lower back strain associated with natural pedalling (vertical power application) and a defective lower back that is continually aggravated by this strain. In natural pedalling all pedalling resistance must come through the lower back which is already under the strain of having to support most of the upper body weight. The instant complete cure can be found in this special high gear TT technique of mine. In this technique all pedalling resistance is supplied by the interaction between hips and arms, supporting all upper body weight in the process and leaving a completely strain free and pain free lower back.

RobFowl

learn wrote: »

After many years of cycling's lower back pain research in some of the world's best labs, experts are no wiser now than when they first started. For those who suffer from the worst persistant "on the bike" lower back pain, despite using the recommended perfect bike fit, set-up and position, the root cause is the continuous lower back strain associated with natural pedalling (vertical power application) and a defective lower back that is continually aggravated by this strain. In natural pedalling all pedalling resistance must come through the lower back which is already under the strain of having to support most of the upper body weight. The instant complete cure can be found in this special high gear TT technique of mine. In this technique all pedalling resistance is supplied by the interaction between hips and arms, supporting all upper body weight in the process and leaving a completely strain free and pain free lower back.

No offense but the interaction between the hips and arms is almost entirely made up of the spine and core muscles so I don't buy your logic at all.

learn

RobFowl wrote: »

No offense but the interaction between the hips and arms is almost entirely made up of the spine and core muscles so I don't buy your logic at all.

When lifting weights, there are two ways it can be done, a safe way and a dangerous back straining way. The same applies in pedalling but because the forces used are only a fraction of those in weight lifting, people are not aware of this. Why are riders told to steer clear of the high gears ? When you use the safe technique in pedalling, the higher gears have a benefical effect on the lower back.

Biologic

Please, let me buy your method off you. Your secret means alot to me and I think your method would cut minutes off my TT time. Please send me your bank details so I can improve myself with one simple inves.....wait....are you yankin my...?

billy.fish

I'm honestly wondering where to start ripping most of your statements apart Learn.

You may need to change your approach slightly if you want to make any money from this. cause i know if we did this in our lab we'd be a bit of a laughing stock

As for Powercranks, they have a place and purpose. Might be good for rehabilitating that leg Tunney

Anyway, back to my real world human performance lab and actual qualifications and experience....

Sunday Spins

Hello Learn

I wish to buy your product

Please send me on your name and account details so I can wire you the money from my kingdom in Nigeria

TinyExplosions

leftism wrote: »

While you are correct in saying that there is a lack of force production at top dead centre (12 o'c), i would argue that this is an important recovery period which is critical for cycling efficiency. The correct timing and activation of the leg muscles during the pedalling cycle is critical in order to achieve effective force production WITH appropriate recovery time between epochs. Producing additional torque between 9o'c and 12o'c would in theory improve power but you would probably tire out very quickly. Lactates would be up, and efficiency would be down... Just my opinion.

WOOOOSH! There goes this topic, right over my head!

niceonetom wrote: »

Wow, congrats! So, with this magnificent discovery can we expect you to dominate the TT scene this season?

Tell me... are you prepared to share your new technique with others? Perhaps for a low-low fee?

I suspect he's in league with Steorn...

CheGuedara

TinyExplosions wrote: »

I suspect he's in league with Steorn...

[OT]Ah Steorn - makers of the free energy device (just requiring attachment of a battery).

As a Kerry man, everyday I'm thankful it wasn't one of my countymen came up with that - we'd never live it down[/OT]

Morgan

learn wrote: »

When lifting weights, there are two ways it can be done, a safe way and a dangerous back straining way. The same applies in pedalling but because the forces used are only a fraction of those in weight lifting, people are not aware of this. Why are riders told to steer clear of the high gears ? When you use the safe technique in pedalling, the higher gears have a benefical effect on the lower back.

So if I'm understanding this correctly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-akkbNyiXE