WOMEN Cage fighters on BBC.

juijitsu black

Hey people, There is a prog on BBC 4 Sky this Thursday 14th Jan, at 10pm about women cage fighters. Just thot Id let ya know,:).

rovert

BBC 4?

I can only imagine.

John Ferguson

This is the show where they follow Rosi Sexton and Lisa Higo to the states. I'm interested to see the angle they take as we are getting alot if press interest ref Amanda English vs Aisling McLarnon at Cage Contender in Febuary.

callaway92

they are MIXED MARTIAL ARTISTS

_oveless

callaway92 wrote: »

they are MIXED MARTIAL ARTISTS

Yeah forget about the mainstream media ever using that term.

SV

callaway92 wrote: »

they are MIXED MARTIAL ARTISTS

I never really got this..

Why are people so touchy about the expression 'cage fighters' ?
bit of a stupid thing to get riled up about

cowzerp

SV wrote: »

I never really got this..

Why are people so touchy about the expression 'cage fighters' ?
bit of a stupid thing to get riled up about

its a term used to make it sound viscious, if boxers boxed in a cage its still boxing but just sounds worse saying cage fighting.

if they called boxers ring fighters then it would be fair enough and would make sense to call mma fighters who fight in a cage cage fighters.

muckwarrior

Plus fights aren't always contested in a cage so it's also inaccurate.

Richie_Gorey

cowzerp wrote: »

its a term used to make it sound viscious, if boxers boxed in a cage its still boxing but just sounds worse saying cage fighting.

if they called boxers ring fighters then it would be fair enough and would make sense to call mma fighters who fight in a cage cage fighters.

I've actually been called a cage boxer quite a few times!

markfightie

Was quite a good show, honest and not trying to make it look bad or brutal.

Also you all get too pissy about being called cage fighters, you fight in a cage, nobody in the general public knows what a mixed martial artist is, nor do they care, they want to see guys/girls in a CAGE who are FIGHTing..

terms like human cock fighting etc i can see why you might get upset by these


please feel free to lambast me with criticism

Mark

Roper

markfightie wrote: »

Also you all get too pissy about being called cage fighters, you fight in a cage, nobody in the general public knows what a mixed martial artist is, nor do they care, they want to see guys/girls in a CAGE who are FIGHTing..

No, the general (BBC4 watching) public don't want to see people who FIGHT in a CAGE, they want to sit in their armchairs and give out about people who are CAGEFIGHTERS. People might come to a show or two to yell "stop hugging him" and "knock his head off" but I don't think they keep coming. The actual MMA watching (and show attending) public don't go to watch Cage Fighting.

pablohoney87

As usual Rosie came off really well. Lisa and her trainers did too. A few of the fans though came across as the usual stereotypes though. Like the redneck photographer. Did a great job of showing the training that the fighters have to go through.

John Ferguson

Roper wrote: »

No, the general (BBC4 watching) public don't want to see people who FIGHT in a CAGE, they want to sit in their armchairs and give out about people who are CAGEFIGHTERS. People might come to a show or two to yell "stop hugging him" and "knock his head off" but I don't think they keep coming. The actual MMA watching (and show attending) public don't go to watch Cage Fighting.

+1

markfightie

Roper wrote: »

No, the general (BBC4 watching) public don't want to see people who FIGHT in a CAGE, they want to sit in their armchairs and give out about people who are CAGEFIGHTERS. People might come to a show or two to yell "stop hugging him" and "knock his head off" but I don't think they keep coming. The actual MMA watching (and show attending) public don't go to watch Cage Fighting.

Your thinking very localised ie: the couple of hundred irish people who goto local shows, im talking about the tens of thousands who attend a mainstream event ie; UFC/Strikeforce, you think these guys are going to watch "Mixed Martial Artists" .... i dont think so...... they are going to watch "CAGE FIGHTERS"

markfightie

fightie wrote: »

+1

same to you

cowzerp

markfightie wrote: »

Your thinking very localised ie: the couple of hundred irish people who goto local shows, im talking about the tens of thousands who attend a mainstream event ie; UFC/Strikeforce, you think these guys are going to watch "Mixed Martial Artists" .... i dont think so...... they are going to watch "CAGE FIGHTERS"

Mark some of the thousands will be going to see cage fighting! but they will not be the regular fans, the regular fans will be the ones that look at it as mixed martial arts as there the educated fans who actually support the sport..

As the sport becomes more normal, mainstream, recognised whatever then the people who go to see viscious cage fighting will dissapear and we'll be left with real fans and occasional 1st timers too.

Roper

What did the 80,000 people in the Sapporo dome go to see? They'd have been awful dissapointed if they were looking for cage fighting.

The cage is by and large a US creation. Dream, Pride, Shooto, Bodog. I rest on your face.

je suis awesome

completely different. japan has a culture of mma, for many(in ireland) its just the latest fad.

Roper

Okay, lets call it cagefighting then.

markfightie

yey! i win

rovert

je suis awesome wrote: »

completely different. japan has a culture of mma, for many(in ireland) its just the latest fad.

It was a fad in Japan

markfightie

rovert wrote: »

It was a fad in Japan

cage fighting or mixed martial arts?



We could go round in circles, like dougal, its 2 different names for the same thing.

people involved in martial arts goto watch "mixed martial arts events", the general public who know nothing about the actual arts theselves, but get entertainment from watching 2 very skilled athletes fght in a cage call it "cage fighting"..... they are still at the same event.

rovert

markfightie wrote: »

cage fighting or mixed martial arts?



We could go round in circles, like dougal, its 2 different names for the same thing.

people involved in martial arts goto watch "mixed martial arts events", the general public who know nothing about the actual arts theselves, but get entertainment from watching 2 very skilled athletes fght in a cage call it "cage fighting"..... they are still at the same event.

MMA as a part of the Japanese pop culture

markfightie

have to disagree there, i think the Japanesse treat their fighters with a lot more respect than the Europeans or Americans.

John Ferguson

markfightie wrote: »

cage fighting or mixed martial arts?



We could go round in circles, like dougal, its 2 different names for the same thing.

people involved in martial arts goto watch "mixed martial arts events", the general public who know nothing about the actual arts theselves, but get entertainment from watching 2 very skilled athletes fght in a cage call it "cage fighting"..... they are still at the same event.

Worth noting in Ireland about 70% of people go to watch family and friends regardless of what its called

rovert

markfightie wrote: »

have to disagree there, i think the Japanesse treat their fighters with a lot more respect than the Europeans or Americans.

You are going all over the shop in what you are talking about here, it is all very confusing.

In terms of popularity MMA in Japan was a fad which ended in the mid 2000s. Clear?

I wasnt talking about respect.

markfightie

misread your statement, i therefore retract mine.

Roper

Dream and K1, thousands watching it, what a fad.

Why do I even answer on here? I'm just irritating myself.

Mark you have a point, but my point is better and I'm better looking.

rovert

Roper wrote: »

Dream and K1, thousands watching it, what a fad.

Why do I even answer on here? I'm just irritating myself.

Mark you have a point, but my point is better and I'm better looking.

Firstly it would be millions not thousands first off and K1 is MMA now?

Look at the ratings and the amount of merchandise sold today compared to 10 years ago. Yes MMA is still popular in Japan but it isnt to the degree what it was during the peak of PRIDE.

Japan in general is known as a culture of fads. I dont see the issue here.

Roper

Are you a real person or some debate generating robot boards have planted in the system?

If *topic* THEN *disagree* OR *spout pro wrestling*= annoyance

Stop. K1 have been having MMA shows for donkey's years. Just stop.

markfightie

hes winding you like a clock Roper


Also, your full of non-sense, look at your post regarding you being better looking than me

rovert

Roper wrote: »

Are you a real person or some debate generating robot boards have planted in the system?

If *topic* THEN *disagree* OR *spout pro wrestling*= annoyance

Stop. K1 have been having MMA shows for donkey's years. Just stop.

K1 is primarily a kick boxing promotion I know they have been running MMA shows for years.

MMA in terms of popularity in Japan was a fad sorry dude. It is only an annoyance if you let it be.

Sid_Justice

markfightie wrote: »

have to disagree there, i think the Japanesse treat their fighters with a lot more respect than the Europeans or Americans.

What do you mean by this? Like respect is a fairly ambiguous term, I've no idea what you actually mean. Maybe you've been reading too many Rickson Gracie interviews.

I'm not even disagreeing with you. The Japanese look as good as everyone else at treating their fighters to me. I mean, it's really only in Japan you'd have two guys fighting with a weight mismatch of over 50lbs, only in Japan you'd get a guy with 20 fights fighting a debutant, only really in Japan you'll get people who indiscreetly use steroids (debatable).

wingnut4

was i the only one that though lisas trainer/husband was abit too rough when she lost? Or is the way most coaches are...

markfightie

Sid_Justice wrote: »

What do you mean by this? Like respect is a fairly ambiguous term, I've no idea what you actually mean. Maybe you've been reading too many Rickson Gracie interviews.

I'm not even disagreeing with you. The Japanese look as good as everyone else at treating their fighters to me. I mean, it's really only in Japan you'd have two guys fighting with a weight mismatch of over 50lbs, only in Japan you'd get a guy with 20 fights fighting a debutant, only really in Japan you'll get people who indiscreetly use steroids (debatable).

as i already said i retracted said statement, i was reading 2 different posts on 2 different forums and combined my opinions into one post, what i said is completly irrelevant to the discussion taking place.

John Ferguson

markfightie wrote: »

what i said is completly irrelevant to the discussion taking place.

LOL:)

Sounds like most days in our office!!!!

Jason Mc

I would argue that it would be seen as important for promoters to educate the public away from the term "Cage Fighting"

For all the reasons mentioned already.

It negates the short term gain of getting a few brain deads looking for blood versus a better class of public attending the event.

It is primarily seen as a blue collar sport. Boxing managed to get rid of that sort of tag no reason why that can't happen in MMA circles

markfightie

I think that it's hard to get away from the term cage fighting when the fights take place in a cage, perhaps we should do away the cage aspect and then you can be called ring fighters!

I'm just playing devils advocate here btw

Jason Mc

I would also point out that as a coach lets just say "little johnny" goes home and says to his mummy.

"Mum can I go down and train at Evolve, they do MMA?" He may get a very different reaction than.

"Mum can I go down and train at Evolve, they do Cage Fighting?"

We need these little johnny's joining the clubs to fight at the shows.

Raze_them_all

Jason Mc wrote: »

I would also point out that as a coach lets just say "little johnny" goes home and says to his mummy.

"Mum can I go down and train at Evolve, they do MMA?" He may get a very different reaction than.

"Mum can I go down and train at Evolve, they do Cage Fighting?"

We need these little johnny's joining the clubs to fight at the shows.

I'd imagine if people want to train the sport they'd know it's mma not cage fighting.

I got asked if I was a cage wrestler at the weekend, it made me think of the fake wrasslin!

rovert

Most people's frame of reference still seems to be that episode of Friends with Tank Abbot and Jon Favero:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMD-TWtY9lQ

rovert

And we are BACK

Finally watched this online bar all the aggro with the first couple at the beginning I really enjoyed it. Nice character study of some of the fighters and really well produced.