Freedom/Security

EasyPeasyBud

Are you willing to give up all your freedoms for "security"?

m@cc@

Freedom is just an illusion, filled with sadness and confusion.

PCPhoto

m@cc@ wrote: »

Freedom is just an illusion, filled with sadness and confusion.

yes ... and reality is an illusion caused by lack of alcohol.

Beasty

EasyPeasyBud wrote: »

Are you willing to give up all your freedoms for "security"?

Are you?

CreepingDeath

EasyPeasyBud wrote: »

Are you willing to give up all your freedoms for "security"?

Freedom isn't the problem it's privacy.

Governments are already scanning your phone calls, e-mails and faxes.
I imagine they're scanning internet traffic of various sorts too.

If governments were incorruptible then that would not be a problem.
But they are.
If a state agency had a detailed profile of you, your friends, your interests, your medical history, financial situation, political inclination etc...
that's a good weapon to silence someone, political blackmail etc.

Also, I was listening to "Security Now", a podcast about computer security.
Some internet providers let advertisement agencies install servers on their ISP network, intercepting all your traffic so that they can work out your interests and target specific adverts to you when you eventually hit a webpage which hosts one of their banners. ( "Phorm" is one of those nasty companies in question ).

I'm sure the argument for State surveilance goes something "If you're not doing anything illegal you've nothing to hide".
But you could use that argument to outlaw bedroom curtains and fitting room doors !

BaconZombie

NO

EasyPeasyBud wrote: »

Are you willing to give up all your freedoms for "security"?

emmerdale

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Freedom isn't the problem it's privacy.
!

from schneier "Security vs privacy is a false dichotomy. It makes no sense. Only identity-based security hurts privacy. Door locks, tall fences, those protect both security and privacy.

The real dichotomy is not security vs privacy, but liberty vs control. That explains why privacy and openness differ depending on who are are talking about. Privacy tends to increase your power, openness tends to reduce it.

Between government and people, there is a power imbalance - government tends to have the power. Open government reduces government power, and so is an equaliser.
Privacy for the people increases the power of the people and decreases the power imbalance. Forced openness in people increases the imbalance. So we want government to be open, and individuals to be private."

Real Security is liberty plus privacy

RoadKillTs

Maybe. What will I get?

biko

Figuring things out for yourself is practically the only freedom anyone really has nowadays. Use that freedom.

NothingMan

I'd give it all up for a lie in and a blowie.

CrazyRabbit

EasyPeasyBud wrote: »

Are you willing to give up all your freedoms for "security"?

No, I'm not American.

CreepingDeath

emmerdale wrote: »

from schneier "Security vs privacy is a false dichotomy.

Okay, someone used the word "dichotomy".
Ye can move this thread to politics.

AlmightyCushion

Maybe not for security but for a good fry up, definitely.

mikom

EasyPeasyBud wrote: »

Are you willing to give up all your freedoms for "security"?

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose,
Nothing don't mean nothing honey if it ain't free.
And feeling good was easy, Lord, when he sang the blues,
You know feeling good was good enough for me,
Good enough for me and Feeky McGee.

Captain_Generic

If the good ol' americans get their way we'll all be travelling naked in cages for 'our own safety', which is awesome