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ISSF Centrefire Pistol
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07-01-2010 8:54pm#1Without centerfire pistols supermac, I can't ever try ISSF centerfire pistols (.32 or .38 calibre). Which I wouldn't mind doing at some point. And since this is a .22lr ISSF pistol:
and this is a .32 ISSF pistol:
I rather fail to see the intrinsic difference that means I can have the former but not the latter (and no, the whim of one Minister is not an intrinsic difference).0
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Okay B'man, I'll bite - It's anything from .30 to .38, but there are more restrictions than that, it has to meet the ISSF specifications for the match:
- I wouldn't rule out the army shooters just yet. They've about ten years practice on anyone else, and are pretty good at this. Nor would I rule out the idea of the humble air pistol skills transferring across to centerfire
- In theory you don't, but the whittling helps enormously.
- Insufficient manpower and range space. And far too much demand for 10m air pistol and 25m smallbore matches, of which there's been a lot. They could run one in the midlands allright, if there was enough manpower to help, but then there's also the point that far more people want to try 300m fullbore rifle than 25m fullbore pistol. But if any club wanted to run a proper ISSF centrefire club match, they don't need permission of any kind, they can go ahead and run one (it wouldn't count towards national records unless they had someone there to run equipment control and check the range, but that wouldn't matter for a club match).
- You don't need to be micron-perfect, but the degree of allowed tolerance is specified in the rulebook -- 25 metres, plus or minus ten centimetres. Target centre 1.4 metres off the ground, plus ten or minus twenty centimetres. And there are rules as well about clothing (basicly, wear ordinary shoes and a tracksuit), blinders, glasses, sights (open iron sights only please) and so on. But it's not actually as far from common sense as some might think
- I don't think a Glock would really be the best choice for this. Nothing much against them (though I think they're ugly as sin), but I don't think they accurise them enough to make them a good beginners pistol for this particular sport. Not as bad as the P22 by any means, but even the most basic ISSF pistol is going to be a better choice for this sport. But then, the same is true the other way round - an MG-4 would be a ridiculously bad choice for an IPSC match.
Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing a match like this happen...0 - It's anything from .30 to .38, but there are more restrictions than that, it has to meet the ISSF specifications for the match:
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Must get a drink too
When this whole thing settles I'm gonna get a 22 pistol that is gonna be "Olympic" acceptable............links please
Army pistol shooting mentioned. I shoot pistol comp, Brigade and hoping for All-Army this year, currently H&K, previously BAP, both 9mm, in RDF but it ain't ISSF style ? Are the army shooting ISSF stuff as well as alloctated annual range practice tables?0 -
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bunny shooter wrote: »When this whole thing settles I'm gonna get a 22 pistol that is gonna be "Olympic" acceptable............links please
Since Sparks' pictures are busted (for me at least) here are the centre-fire pistol requirements roughly:- The calibre must be between .30"/7.62mm and .38"/9.65mm
- The gun can't weigh more than 1.4kg.
- The trigger pull must be at least 1360g
- The barrel length can't be bigger than 153mm
- The sight radius can't exceed 220mm.
- The whole gun must fit in a box 300 x 150 x 50 mm
- Only open, iron sights are allowed.
- The grips can't touch the wrist.
- You can't have a compensator/muzzle brake or anything like that.
The .22 requirements are pretty similar, the only real differences are calibre (obviously) and a 1000g trigger pull is allowed.
For 50m .22 pistol, there are almost no restrictions so long as it's a single shot.0 -
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bunny shooter wrote: »I can't apply for a fullbore licence anymore, even for "Olympic" or can I
Nope, sadly. That day may come again though.0 -
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It wasn't me! wrote: »Nope, sadly.
Thought so ................. Thought I'd misread something
It wasn't me! wrote: »That day may come again though.
Not in our lifetime I fear 0 -
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bunny shooter wrote: »Thought so ................. Thought I'd misread something
Not in our lifetime I fear
Hey, I'm a young man.
Nah, I reckon it'll be a long, uphill slog, but I hope it will be in time that those who've enjoyed centrefire pistol shooting recently will do so again, and won't lose out too much on it. 0 -
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Sold my Ruger MK III
ages ago worst mistake I ever made tbh :o:o
Will get a 22 off the list that's ISSF recognised and must give it a lash :cool:
Thinking Baikal IZH 35 .............................. to get going
Anyone know of any dealers that can supply a Baikal ?
As ya say I'm a member of Midlands so happy days comp wise :cool: :cool:
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bunny shooter wrote: »Sold my Ruger MK III ages ago worst mistake I ever made tbh :o:o
Will get a 22 off the list that's ISSF recognised and must give it a lash :cool:
Thinking Baikal IZH 35 .............................. to get going
Anyone know of any dealers that can supply a Baikal ?
As ya say I'm a member of Midlands so happy days comp wise :cool: :cool:
Watch this space
The Baikal is a great fun pistol. RRPC had one as a club gun when I was a member and I loved it. Shot better with it than rrpc's rather nice Pardini too. Doubt you'll go too far wrong with one to start off.Can you use a 38 revolver in ISSF comps set up for it?
I mean are there ISSF competitions that you can use a 38 revolver in?
Thanks
HJ:)
You could use it in the centrefire pistol matches, no problem. There's no stipulation that they be semi-autos, and .38 was the standard for a long time as far as I know.0 -
almost every c/f pistol in the country meets these specs
except the ones with muzzle breaks that is which are only a few
between the calibre of .32 and .38 Okay B'man, I'll bite - It's anything from .30 to .38, but there are more restrictions than that, it has to meet the ISSF specifications for the match:
- I wouldn't rule out the army shooters just yet. They've about ten years practice on anyone else, and are pretty good at this. Nor would I rule out the idea of the humble air pistol skills transferring across to centerfire
- In theory you don't, but the whittling helps enormously.
- Insufficient manpower and range space. And far too much demand for 10m air pistol and 25m smallbore matches, of which there's been a lot. They could run one in the midlands allright, if there was enough manpower to help, but then there's also the point that far more people want to try 300m fullbore rifle than 25m fullbore pistol. But if any club wanted to run a proper ISSF centrefire club match, they don't need permission of any kind, they can go ahead and run one (it wouldn't count towards national records unless they had someone there to run equipment control and check the range, but that wouldn't matter for a club match).
- You don't need to be micron-perfect, but the degree of allowed tolerance is specified in the rulebook -- 25 metres, plus or minus ten centimetres. Target centre 1.4 metres off the ground, plus ten or minus twenty centimetres. And there are rules as well about clothing (basicly, wear ordinary shoes and a tracksuit), blinders, glasses, sights (open iron sights only please) and so on. But it's not actually as far from common sense as some might think
- I don't think a Glock would really be the best choice for this. Nothing much against them (though I think they're ugly as sin), but I don't think they accurise them enough to make them a good beginners pistol for this particular sport. Not as bad as the P22 by any means, but even the most basic ISSF pistol is going to be a better choice for this sport. But then, the same is true the other way round - an MG-4 would be a ridiculously bad choice for an IPSC match.
Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing a match like this happen...0 - It's anything from .30 to .38, but there are more restrictions than that, it has to meet the ISSF specifications for the match:
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bunny, anytime you want to try, PM me and I'll set it up. I really strongly recommend you try before you buy because pistols seem to be a very personal choice and what works for one guy will be horrible for another.bunny shooter wrote: »Sold my Ruger MK III ages ago worst mistake I ever made tbh :o:o
Will get a 22 off the list that's ISSF recognised and must give it a lash :cool:
Thinking Baikal IZH 35 .............................. to get going
Most of the ISSF pistols that came into this country were personal imports which makes it a bit more difficult at the moment. I know some dealers have one or two but the range is very limited and if it doesn't suit you, you'll have to import.Anyone know of any dealers that can supply a Baikal ?
As ya say I'm a member of Midlands so happy days comp wise :cool: :cool:
Watch this space
Generally, the IZH's tend to be s/h, I've not seen any dealers (in Europe) selling new.
@Bananaman
The main reason that there have been no ISSF centrefire competitions here is lack of ranges with the necessary equipment. Rathdrum has the equipment but is not authorised for C/F pistol and Midlands is authorised but does not have the necessary equipment.
Having said that, Midlands are working towards getting the correct targets and programming their turning target system to allow for their use in this competition. As soon as this work is completed, Midlands will be in a position to hold competitions.0 -
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Do please, it'd be nice to meet you after all this friendly sparringbunny shooter wrote: »Thanks RRPC will get back to you
Imagine bunny shooter discovering he's very good and flying the Irish flag abroad :cool:Imagine ..... bunny shooter shooting ISSF (Olympic) disciplines .... what next :cool:
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Wouldn't mind seeing that at all :cool:
Neither would IDo please, it'd be nice to meet you after all this friendly sparring
Yes, we've had some fun alright :P
Lads, I love shooting, no matter what kind it is. As for the ISSF stuff although not my ideal way to shoot it is shooting And it is/might be the only way for me to shoot pistol again so "if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em" 0 -
I'm fully in agreement with you there bunny. Unfortunately I don't have the time to do everything and so I try and stick to what I do best and don't even get to give that the time it deserves.bunny shooter wrote: »Lads, I love shooting, no matter what kind it is. As for the ISSF stuff although not my ideal way to shoot it is shooting And it is/might be the only way for me to shoot pistol again so "if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em"
If you want to give it a go, I'll give you as much opportunity to try as much as possible so that if you decide you don't like it, it's not because you didn't get as broad as possible an introduction.0 -
I'm fully in agreement with you there bunny.
:eek: Ah now........we're agreeing on something........it's the cold.......must be.......:DUnfortunately I don't have the time to do everything and so I try and stick to what I do best and don't even get to give that the time it deserves.
Being the best is a small part of it for me. As long as I enjoy it that's more important. Time........don't have enough either although I intend on changing that this yearIf you want to give it a go, I'll give you as much opportunity to try as much as possible so that if you decide you don't like it, it's not because you didn't get as broad as possible an introduction.
Thanks, if I can do same for you let me know 0 -
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