Grind School Teachers' Pay?

Aarhus

Hi,

I know secondary teachers in state-funded schools are paid around the €49 per hour mark, and was wondering how the grind school teachers compared.

Any information on the pay and conditions in the following private, commercially-run grind schools/colleges would be much appreciated:

1. The Institute for Education in Dublin
2. Bruce College (Dublin & Cork?)
3. The Education Centre in Dublin
4. Limerick Tutorial College
5. Brookfield College, in Tralee, Co Kerry
6. Yeats College (Galway & Waterford)
7. Ashfield College in Templeogue, Dublin (gone bust?)

Thanks!

Aarhus

Stewie Griffin

Most teachers in Ireland are paid a salary, aarhus. Only some of those who are on a temporary contract are paid by the hour. I don't know the rate but €49 an hour sounds very high to me.

Aarhus

Stewie Griffin wrote: »

Most teachers in Ireland are paid a salary, aarhus. Only some of those who are on a temporary contract are paid by the hour. I don't know the rate but €49 an hour sounds very high to me.

Yes, of course, you're right about the salaries, Stewie. The €49 per hour is the qualified substitute teacher or casual teacher rate in secondary schools.

ASTI:
http://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scale/

What I'd like to find out is do part-time and/or full-time teachers in the private grind schools get paid anything like secondary teachers in state-funded schools.

I've read on another Boards thread that some grind-school teachers are only on 8 or 9 month contracts and don't enjoy the benefits of year-round, pensionable state-funded school teachers, but if they are paid more (as some are rumoured to be), then it might be an attractive short-term option. I've rooted around Boards.ie and the Net but can't find any solid info on grind-school pay.

Thanks.

Aarhus.

dambarude

Well I've been told that one of the schools on your list lets students rate their teacher at the end of the year, and they are dismissed if they are not performing to their satisfaction. I'm sure it's in some way possible if many of the teachers are on contracts. Person who told me was a LC student in the school btw.

Aarhus

dambarude wrote: »

Well I've been told that one of the schools on your list lets students rate their teacher at the end of the year, and they are dismissed if they are not performing to their satisfaction. I'm sure it's in some way possible if many of the teachers are on contracts. Person who told me was a LC student in the school btw.

Thanks for that, dambarude.

Grind-school teachers rated by their students? Sounds a bit like the treatment that state teachers get on ratemyteachers.ie, though I've never heard of a teacher being dismissed in a state school because of a poor rating on that website.

The bosses of grind schools must feel that "client" (student) feedback is necessary to maintain the standard of the service they are offering. While being rated by students is not exactly a Sword of Damocles over a teacher's head, one would like to think that the grind-school teacher is properly rewarded for having a less-secure position than a state-school teacher. Anyone got any idea of the pay-rates?

Aarhus.

gaeilgegrinds

Was offered contract in one of the schools listed the year I began the Dip. Rather bizarely was finishing off another Dip course & was not sure had I been accepted into the Dip when I got a call, was offered what I now know to be dire money but I said I would think about it. Went in for an interview. Was offered job. Said no once I was offered the Dip. I was not only unqualified, was also inexperienced (had lots of experience tutoring in college but nothing major) and was only offered to be paid exactly the hours I taught. Two of the teachers in my school taught in this school and both left. Teachers are treated like robots here, if you don't perform incredibly you are out on your ear. I agree with some sort of accountability but I really think that letting the students critique you as much as happens here is unjust & unneccesary. Hope that helps somewhat.

Aarhus

gaeilgegrinds wrote: »

Was offered contract in one of the schools listed the year I began the Dip. Rather bizarely was finishing off another Dip course & was not sure had I been accepted into the Dip when I got a call, was offered what I now know to be dire money but I said I would think about it. Went in for an interview. Was offered job. Said no once I was offered the Dip. I was not only unqualified, was also inexperienced (had lots of experience tutoring in college but nothing major) and was only offered to be paid exactly the hours I taught. Two of the teachers in my school taught in this school and both left. Teachers are treated like robots here, if you don't perform incredibly you are out on your ear. I agree with some sort of accountability but I really think that letting the students critique you as much as happens here is unjust & unneccesary. Hope that helps somewhat.

Thanks for the feedback, gaeilgegrinds.

Being paid for class-contact hours only doesn't sound so great. Class-prep, corrections, and extra-curricular activity must be included in what you call the "dire money". That doesn't seem very attractive.

Aarhus.

ytareh

GG confirms what I suspected ,maybe good pay in the 'best' of them ,the rest average to poor ,conditions worse all round for teachers in them ...Fired on a whim if not getting super results...

clartharlear

I'm teaching in a grinds school this year. I have no contract and it was made clear to me at the initial job interview that if there was a day the students complained about me that I wouldn't need to come in the next day. I'm teaching a minority subject and most of my students will not be satisfied with less than an A1 so that's the standard I must maintain.
The pay is as suggested, (ie 49 range) and is only for actual teaching times, not prep times, not class tests, not correcting etc. For midterms, Christmas, summer, weather-related school-closings etc, I'm basically unemployed. I also don't have many teaching hours regularly.

Advantages: my expertise in this subject has increased massively and students take me as seriously as I take them, so there is never even a hint of ill-discipline.

There are no extra-curricular activities in most grind schools, unless you count after-hours study halls and extra grinds!

Most importantly however, though I haven't been job-hunting as such since I started in September, I have been keeping my eyes open and I haven't seen a single job advertised that would be in my subjects and my locale.

Aarhus

Thanks for that, clartharlear. The picture you paint is of a place where you can do some serious teaching but unfortunately you don't get the remuneration and benefits of a state-school teacher.

The following intrigued me:

clartharlear wrote: »

For midterms, Christmas, summer, weather-related school-closings etc, I'm basically unemployed. I also don't have many teaching hours regularly.

I presume a few of the teachers in your grind-school work a full weekly time-table, but do they actually have full-time permenent contracts, and if so, how does the pay compare with secondary teachers in state-schools?

ASTI:
http://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scale/

Also, how does the rate of pay for the hours you work yourself compare with the €49.60 per hour for sub-teaching in state-schools and the €15-€25 per hour (depending on the school) that TEFL teachers get in private language schools?

Thanks again.

Aarhus

Aarhus

clartharlear wrote: »

The pay is as suggested, (ie 49 range)...

Gotcha, clartharlear. Thanks!