Confirmed Kills.

ddef

Hey all,
was just wondering, has there been any confirmed kills from Irish Soldiers the time they have been in chad, or even kosovo? Googled it the other day and couldn't find anything. Again, is just out of curiosity.
thanks in advance,
D.

Hard Larry

ddef wrote: »

Hey all,
was just wondering, has there been any confirmed kills from Irish Soldiers the time they have been in chad, or even kosovo? Googled it the other day and couldn't find anything. Again, is just out of curiosity.
thanks in advance,
D.

Confirmed kills of what/whom?

ooPabsoo

I think he means an irishman actually shooting and killing somebody,but as far as i know they've only had to open fire once?

Hard Larry

Last engagement would have been the Battle of At Tiri in Lebanon 1980.

May have been incidents in East Timor but never heard any hard fact TBH.

Only ever warning shots fired in Kosovo & Chad to my knowledge.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

No confirmed kills in Chad, warning shots have been fired. There have been instances where it came close to engaging. We are extremely cautious when it comes to opening fire. It really is the last resort. However, these decisions are usually decided in a split second, if danger is imminent then appropriate measures are taken.

For proper information contact Dept of Defence Freedom of Information. Maybe you will get an answer.

In my opinion

Hard Larry wrote: »

Last engagement would have been the Battle of At Tiri in Lebanon 1980.

May have been incidents in East Timor but never heard any hard fact TBH.

Only ever warning shots fired in Kosovo & Chad to my knowledge.

Urlingford?

Remmy

In my opinion wrote: »

Urlingford?

the fcuk?

Local-womanizer

Out of interest,does anyone know the procedure behind confirming kills for stats and figures? Who does it? Is it the force who carries out the kill or hospital figures?

Oh,just remembered Jadotville and Elisabethville,surely kills were confirmed there?

cyrusdvirus

Remmy wrote: »

the fcuk?

Kidnapping back in 1987. John O Grady was kidnapped by Dessie O Hare, recused but O Hare escaped.

Tracked down to a house in Urlingford about 3 weeks later, one of his gang was shot and killed, O Hare was hit 8 times

shaneybaby

gatecrash wrote: »

Kidnapping back in 1987. John O Grady was kidnapped by Dessie O Hare, recused but O Hare escaped.

Tracked down to a house in Urlingford about 3 weeks later, one of his gang was shot and killed, O Hare was hit 8 times

Thought that was a garda op. A detective branch garda was definitely shot (not killed)

cyrusdvirus

the army aid the civil powers at times like that though

Praetorian Saighdiuir

An officer was shot in Urlingford....(well, he shot himself in the foot when O 'Hare tried to run him over, he couldnt get the pistol out quick enough and shot himself through the holster)

In my opinion

gatecrash wrote: »

Kidnapping back in 1987. John O Grady was kidnapped by Dessie O Hare, recused but O Hare escaped.

Tracked down to a house in Urlingford about 3 weeks later, one of his gang was shot and killed, O Hare was hit 8 times

Wrong, drove through a garda checkpoint where O Hare was identified as the driver failed to stop for Inspector who signaled the car to stop met a "real" checkpoint with troops and Gardai up the road and then the coward stopped.

So much for all the Gardai he was going to take with him before he was taken!!

Karma

In my opinion

shaneybaby wrote: »

Thought that was a garda op. A detective branch garda was definitely shot (not killed)

That's right Martin O Connor was shot in Cabra at the house where Dentist John O Grady was rescued minus a few of his fingers! O Hare got away. That was a few weeks before Urlingford

citizen_p

nowadays it seems if you confirmed a kill you would be sent to a psychiatrist for a few months.

definetly if you were a cop in england or america.

BuckJamesRogers

benwavner wrote: »

An officer was shot in Urlingford....(well, he shot himself in the foot when O 'Hare tried to run him over, he couldnt get the pistol out quick enough and shot himself through the holster)

wasnt there a PDF pte killed in this incident too? or an incident similar?

In my opinion

BuckJamesRogers wrote: »

wasnt there a PDF pte killed in this incident too? or an incident similar?

No that was Paddy Kelly from Moate he was killed in Derrada wood in Ballinamore Co. Leitrim just before Christmas in 1983 around 16th December after the release of Don Tidey who had been kidnapped. A recruit Garda Gary Sheehan was also killed that day

BuckJamesRogers

In my opinion wrote: »

No that was Paddy Kelly from Moate he was killed in Derrada wood in Ballinamore Co. Leitrim just before Christmas in 1983 around 16th December after the release of Don Tidey who had been kidnapped. A recruit Garda Gary Sheehan was also killed that day

ah, cheers mate

kildare69

There were quite a few kills in Somalia when a convoy was attacked, but it was hushed up.

Jo King

This notion of confirmed kills generally comes from shooting down enemy aircraft in the first world war and not shooting individuals. Subsequently there was kudos in the Second World War for destroying tanks.
It is impossible in many cases to even be sure that individuals were killed or how many of them. Jadotville is a case in point. Even where it is established that there was a death, there would be absolutely no desire to publish statistics regarding confirmed kills.
Killing is a last resort, and if it happens in an incident a medal may be awarded for actions taken in the incident.Nothing will be done which could potentially glorify the act of killing itself.