Interclub Draws 2010

Mister Sifter

Should be a bit of interest in there... Leinster draws up now...

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Hunty

Leinster Draws are up!

PhilipMarlowe

Threads merged...

Gowran Park have Wexford away to start the defence of the Barton Cup.
Qualifying for the Barton Shield is in Kilkenny for us.
Hosting Bruen qualifying this year...
New Ross at home in the mixed with either Mount Juliet or Bunclody if we get through that one.
No senior cup team for us.

f22

Junior Cup in Donabate, Senior in Portmarnock and Barton Shield in St Annes for us

Mister Sifter

f22 wrote: »

Junior Cup in Donabate

Pathetic choice of venue.

f22

Really disappointed to be honest, was hoping for Portmarnock Links to be honest but what can you do? Have you moved clubs?

scotindublin

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Pathetic choice of venue.

+1 there poor venue for the Junior Cup, will just have to console myself with The K Club in the Barton Cup if selected!!

Hunty

Speaking of pathetic choices of venue.......

St. Annes

Ugghhhhhhh

f22

Hunty wrote: »

Speaking of pathetic choices of venue.......

St. Annes

Ugghhhhhhh

Wouldn't be on my favourites list either but i'd take it before Donabate

ShriekingSheet

Yeah some pretty poor venues.

Slade Valley for Junior Cup - not the worst course but a short, hilly par 68 does not make a great GUI event venue imo.

Stackstown for Barton Shield... again, not dreadful but a lot of people don't like it. I think its ok.

Russman

Not to be argumentative but, with respect, Slade Valley is now a slightly longer, much tougher par 70 with, in my humble opinion, one of the toughest back nines around (since the new holes were opened) and has never been a par 68.
Granted the front nine isn't great :-)

ShriekingSheet

Russman wrote: »

Not to be argumentative but, with respect, Slade Valley is now a slightly longer, much tougher par 70 with, in my humble opinion, one of the toughest back nines around (since the new holes were opened) and has never been a par 68.
Granted the front nine isn't great :-)

I actually didn't know it had been developed so my apologies for that. I was sure it was 68 but thinking back, 4 par 3s and 1 par 5 would have made it 69.

I'll reserve judgement until I get a look at the new lay out.

It just doesn't jump out as a suitable course to put the Junior Cuppers through their paces.

jacket222002

The GUI would have asked Slade and Stackstown to host those events.
They would also have asked many other clubs but the clubs refuse to make their courses available.

If people have a gripe it should be with clubs who never make their course available.

f22

jacket222002 wrote: »

The GUI would have asked Slade and Stackstown to host those events.
They would also have asked many other clubs but the clubs refuse to make their courses available.

If people have a gripe it should be with clubs who never make their course available.

Very valid point, very few clubs are prepared to give up their facilities for a weekend or two, yet many are the first to complain

ShriekingSheet

jacket222002 wrote: »

The GUI would have asked Slade and Stackstown to host those events.
They would also have asked many other clubs but the clubs refuse to make their courses available.

If people have a gripe it should be with clubs who never make their course available.

f22 wrote: »

Very valid point, very few clubs are prepared to give up their facilities for a weekend or two, yet many are the first to complain

Yeah that's been the word on the street for a couple of years now but I'm not so sure how true it is. The likes of Woodbrook, Milltown, Portmarnock, Dun Laoire have all hosted events in recent years and they're some of the more busy/exclusive/expensive courses.

Some of the venues I was at last year like Beech Park, Woodbrook and South County were very evidently proud as punch to be hosting a GUI event. The members were very supportive during the run-up when players were out for practice rounds, eager to chat and offer advice.

It seems to me, contrary to the rumour, the clubs are willing. Who are the clubs that "never" host events? All I can think of is the Grange and the Castle.

jacket222002

I would say that

Carton
Powerscourt
Royal Dublin
Island
Castle
Grange
Malahide
Portmarknock
K Club


would not be available on a regular basis
Sorry if I am wrong about any of these.

When you take that number out it means that qualifying is held more often in the other clubs.

ShriekingSheet

jacket222002 wrote: »

I would say that

Carton
Powerscourt
Royal Dublin
Island
Castle
Grange
Malahide
Portmarknock
K Club


would not be available on a regular basis
Sorry if I am wrong about any of these.

When you take that number out it means that qualifying is held more often in the other clubs.

Royal Dublin host the Lumsden Cup every year!
And Portmarnock are hosting a Senior Cup qualifier this year.
And didn't Carton House host something just last year? With their ties with the GUI I highly doubt there's an issue there.

Anyway, you can see what I'm getting at here. To some extent, there is a myth to be busted. Maybe Greebo will comment on the Grange but either way, it seems there are a tiny amount of clubs that could be "refusers".

Anyway, I don't feel that strongly about the whole thing. It's a good idea to spread it around.

pinkdoubleeagle

Can anyone comment on St Anne's?. Never played it before.

f22

pinkdoubleeagle wrote: »

Can anyone comment on St Anne's?. Never played it before.

Pretty dull to be honest, often referred to as the poor neighbour of Royal Dublin. The two clubs are on the same spit of land, unfortunately that's where the comparison stops in my opinion.

f22

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Yeah that's been the word on the street for a couple of years now but I'm not so sure how true it is. The likes of Woodbrook, Milltown, Portmarnock, Dun Laoire have all hosted events in recent years and they're some of the more busy/exclusive/expensive courses.

Some of the venues I was at last year like Beech Park, Woodbrook and South County were very evidently proud as punch to be hosting a GUI event. The members were very supportive during the run-up when players were out for practice rounds, eager to chat and offer advice.

It seems to me, contrary to the rumour, the clubs are willing. Who are the clubs that "never" host events? All I can think of is the Grange and the Castle.

Debatable Sheet, take Portmarnock as an example, hosting Senior Cup this year. Probably one of the strongest Senior panels in the country, consistently over God knows how many years. You will never see them host qualifying for the likes of Junior Cup, Jimmy Bruen Shield etc. because it's senior silverware they're after. They can't host Senior events every year but there's alot to be said for home advantage in qualifying.

ShriekingSheet

f22 wrote: »

Debatable Sheet, take Portmarnock as an example, hosting Senior Cup this year. Probably one of the strongest Senior panels in the country, consistently over God knows how many years. You will never see them host qualifying for the likes of Junior Cup, Jimmy Bruen Shield etc. because it's senior silverware they're after. They can't host Senior events every year but there's alot to be said for home advantage in qualifying.

No chance there's an ounce of argument with any of that... but the fact remains, they can't be put on a list of clubs that refuse to host events.

All I'm saying is I think the much harped upon theory that the GUI are restricted in their choices by so many clubs refusing to host events can be, to some extent, disproven when you look at the facts.

Clubs either do or don't host events - the ones that don't at all seem to be pretty hard to come by. And besides, to be fair to Portmarnock, clubs host specific team events because they think they have a good team at Jimmy Bruen & Junior Cup level too.

Paulusmaximus

jacket222002 wrote: »

I would say that

Carton
Powerscourt
Royal Dublin
Island
Castle
Grange
Malahide
Portmarknock
K Club


would not be available on a regular basis
Sorry if I am wrong about any of these.

When you take that number out it means that qualifying is held more often in the other clubs.

I'm a member of Malahide, in the last 5 years we've hosted Leinster Boys, Junior Foursomes qualifying, Senior Cup qualifying, Senior Cup finals and Junior Cup qualifying.

Last year, Carton House held Barton Shield qualifying and three years ago the held the Leinster Finals of the Mixed Foursomes.

The Island has held senior Cup finals and Junior Foursomes in the last couple of years.

Royal Dublin host the Irish Amateur Championship every year and give there course up for that week. they are also hosting the Irish Close this year as well.

Every course is used. I know before that the GUI or at least the leinster branch had a grading system for courses. The tougher courses had the highest grade and these courses were only to be used for Senior Cup and Barton Shield. These courses are the likes of Portmarnock, royal Dublin, the Island. Malahide fell into this category as well( not quite sure i ever understood that). Up until 2008 we've never hosted anything other than Senior Cup or Barton shield. In 2008 we held junior cup qualifying.

The reasoning behind the gradings is i presume, that with Pierce Purcell and Jimmy Bruen qualifing being strokeplay and usually taking close to five hours that it could be quite farcical if Royal Dublin or Portmarnock were to be used.

jacket222002

As I said already sorry if I am wrong about any I missed. Malahide being one.
To host a final you have to give up your course for an Hour maybe an hour and a half. So hosting finals is not that big a deal.
To host qualifying for Senior, Junior, Bruen or Pierce Purcell is a full day event.

Lets say in a qualifying event there are 16 clubs.
There are 4 events with local qualifiers - Senior, Junior, Bruen Pierce Purcell

If every club did their fair share they would host a qualifier in one event every 4 years. That is not happening. Some clubs are hosting more frequently than that because every club is not pulling its weight.

ShriekingSheet

Good post Paul. As I said, it's facts like that we need to take into account.

Jacket, I think you've been proved wrong at this stage. The more prestigious clubs hosting more finals instead of qualifiers is hardly down to tee-time requirements. It wouldn't make sense to qualify on a top championship course, then play a final on a short par 70 of lesser quality.

I still think there are one or two clubs holding out. Have Grange and Castle hosted anything in recent years?

Russman

I know I played Senior Cup in the Grange in 2004 but can't remember anything being held there since.
Don't ever remember anything in the Castle other than the Irish (or was it Leinster Youths ?) many moons ago.
You're right though, lots of clubs are reluctant to give their course up for a weekend especially if the membership profile doesn't fit the event being played.

To answer the St Annes query, its alright, not bad but nothing like Royal Dublin across the road IMO.

Russman

+1 to jacket's post - if all clubs did their share of hosting we'd all have less of a burden and might only host a qualifier every 4 or 5 years.
Don't forget the Barton Shield, think that makes it 5 competitions with qualifiers.;)

It does seem that the so-called "prestigious" clubs often host finals as opposed to qualifiers though, which is probably a good incentive for qualifying teams (although i can't imagine being any less motivated in a match because the final wasn't in a championship venue). If you were being cynical you could call it a vanity exercise and to do with historic ties with the GUI and international teams over the years. Not necessarily a bad thing.......

GreeBo

just spotted this thread now, so apologies for resurrecting!

Grange hosts the Leinster Mid Am every year, also the Dublin Boys has been there every year since I played in it
Other than those two I cant think of any other.

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